From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #83 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, May 22 2003 Volume 08 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #82 ["Andy Venables" ] Alloy: RE: Interesting article about musical toys... ["Damien Sweeney" ] Re: Alloy: Submarines CD [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: "I Scare Myself" in Blur's "Out of Time" ["Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #82 >Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:07:46 -0700 >From: Robyn Moore >Subject: Re: Alloy: Submarines CD > Congrats on the new little one. :) Thanks - he's pretty darn wonderful really, we're mostly now getting sleep from about 9 or 10 ish at night until 6 or 7 in the morning with just one feed in the small hours. That's not too bad. Everyone's saying he's just like me (poor thing!), which is nice because Emily's so much like her mother. Looks like we've replicated ourselves and passed on our wonderful DNA, LOL > I'm sorry to hear your 5 year old's > got an ear infection - Brigid had an awful time with those when she > was younger, so I know how bad they can be. Here's a ::hug:: and the > hope you get some sleep soon. :) Many thanks! We can see one of her grommets in her ear (which we shouldn't be able to), but I guess it would be rather foolish to pull it out.. we've told her it'll probably just fall out soon and she's moderately happy with that. A big tub of Lego is keeping her happy enough! Nothing's hurting now, and she seems as right as rain. We just hope she doesn't need another grommet op. - ------------------------------ >Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:35:35 -0400 >From: Russell Milliner >Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #81 >sorry, I listened to the clip of it on Amazon a few times, and I am >just not hearing I Scare Myself at all. Then maybe it's because I >really >dont care much for his voice, but hey that's my opinion. >- -Russ Ah, but you have to wait for the instrumental bit! cheers +AndyJ+ - -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:25:53 -0500 From: "Damien Sweeney" Subject: Alloy: RE: Interesting article about musical toys... /lurk off Hi all, A little off the topic of late, but thought you'd all enjoy this article I found over at the Wall Street Journal: http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110003521 It's about a new breed of musical toy but what really caught my attention was the attention paid to creativity vs. the years it takes to master an instrument and how that can obstruct the experience of learning to play and enjoy music. An excerpt: .... Even more critically, Mr. Machover has an acute sense of how the rigors of instrumental training can actually squelch innate musical creativity. He says, "I was 14 when I realized that my cello teacher was interpreting all my pieces for me, and that I wasn't really thinking about music at all. It was completely different from writing music. For most people, as you master the physicality of your instrument, you lose the sense of who you are, and of what music is." Any parent who has coerced a child through the agonies of instrumental practice wonders if there isn't some other way. Children who seemed so creative, making up tunes at the piano and singing at five, become miserable and obstinate when faced with the endless repetition that it takes to make a decent sound and correctly string notes together to reproduce music written by someone else. Talent is useful only up to a point. Learning to play an instrument requires determination, and a tolerance for repetition that does not come naturally to most young children. So why not give those innate musical instincts an outlet that is not connected with a high level of motor skill? Mr. Machover says, "I value creativity over technicality. I would like to find a way to develop a discipline that trains the imagination." .... Anyway - just thought I'd pass it along as I know there are a number of musicians among us who I thought would identify with the concept. Damien (Slumping off to practice my scales once more...) Damien J. Sweeney dsweeney@netpros-inc.net /lurk on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:52:28 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: RE: Interesting article about musical toys... This is so true, Damien. This type of study makes music pass into the realm of the sciences, and there are only certain people who are able to do both things together. For me as I've said, as an artist with no real scientific proclivities, studying cello was like trying to waltz while doing mathematics, reciting Shakespeare, and wrestling a bear. I'd always had fun as a young child just playing along with other musicians and learning things "by ear" but when it came to reading music, I simply cannot do it and "feel" musically at the same time. It's just not in me (no corpus collossum? ..at all!!?) Trying to do so killed my ability to improvise or even relax with the instrument which I think was one thing that led to my wrists being injured. The teachers of classical music know they are represented through their students, which is why there's so little freedom for young students to do their own interpretations. I do think it's wonderful for children to be involved in music and to be encouraged to take lessons, to be given a sense of focus, and encouraged to reach goals and feel a part of a team, and to be shown they have something to give to others to enjoy.. all valuable things for a child to know. But to the child who is a natural artist I can see that after a time they would need to be allowed more freedom or else their interest in making music would be killed. ~r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:13:25 +0200 From: "Anton van Lammeren" Subject: RE: Alloy: "I Scare Myself" in Blur's "Out of Time" > >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:45:13 -0600 > >From: "Keith Stansell" > >Subject: Re: Alloy: Submarines CD > > >Are you referring to Blur's song Crazy Beats - I've heard > >it but never made the connection. > >What song does it remind you of? > > The song is "out of time". > This review : > http://www.dotmusic.co.uk/reviews/Singles/April2003/reviews29000.asp > even uses the word 'headspace'! > > I defy any TD fan not to think of I Scare Myself when hearing it! > > Global musical headspace, indeed > > +AndyJ+ > -----Another Original Message----- > From: Andy Venables > Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 10:42 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #82 > ------------------------------ > > >Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:35:35 -0400 > >From: Russell Milliner > >Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #81 > > >sorry, I listened to the clip of it on Amazon a few times, > >and I am just not hearing I Scare Myself at all. > >Then maybe it's because I really dont care much for > >his voice, but hey that's my opinion. > >- -Russ > > Ah, but you have to wait for the instrumental bit! > > cheers > +AndyJ+ Hi all, Remember Thomas saying: "Every man -person for that sake, AvL- needs a shed when he gets to a certain time in his live, and do whatever it is that you go in there to do ..." My 'shed' is in the attic, the last few months. My wife is cursing me for not having it tidied up, but that's another story... There I discovered some wonders of the Internet-era, one of which is that you can edit sound-files quite easily... Playing and learning some possibities, I tried to illustrate-with-sound the discussion on ISM in OOT... I think that you can sing "I Scare Myself" to the intro of the song, the first 30 seconds or so. The interesting thing is that before the singing comes in, the music 'changes' and deviates more and more from "I Scare Myself"... But the human mind can -if you try- keep putting in "I Scare Myself"; then again: if you don't try, or don't want to, it is as easily not to hear it at all!!! For those still interested: I took Thomas's voice, speeded it up and fitted in Out of Time. See for it at: http://www.avl.dds.nl/Alloy.htm Tara, Anton some Old Roxy Follie: http://www.avl.dds.nl Tom on BBC radio6: http://www.avl.dds.nl/Alloy.htm and some ISM + OOT ;-) "Strange how that futuristic year 2000 is now in the distant past" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:12:56 -0400 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: Submarines CD - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crackers" > I got my CD last week but never got around to opening it. Opened it up today > and lo and behold. > > NUMBER THIRTEEN! D'OH! Wait a minute... it was number 31! This is the kind of thing that can make you lose your faith in Dog. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:00:24 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Submarines CD On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 07:12 am, Crackers wrote: >> NUMBER THIRTEEN! > > > D'OH! Wait a minute... it was number 31! Pretty fly for a white guy. :-) P. (Still catching up on email, and trying to get "We laak dah mooowen" outa my head!) This message powered by Thunder Child/Jeff Wayne off The War of the Worlds. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:15:40 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: "I Scare Myself" in Blur's "Out of Time" Just listened to your out of time/scare myself comparison. The intro definitely does have scare myself qualities. I think the bar patron sounds in the back also invoke the images of the Scare Myself music video that is in a smoky bar with Thomas at the piano and the wait staff dancing in a dream like sequence in the kitchen. The combination of the two definitely fits together. If you were to do a bit of pitch shifting on the sped up TMDR vocals it would fit right in. I'd play around with that, but I don't own the Blur album yet. The sample on Amazon does not include that intro bit so you don't get the connection. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton van Lammeren" > I think that you can sing "I Scare Myself" to the intro of the song, the > first 30 seconds or so. The interesting thing is that before the singing > comes in, the music 'changes' and deviates more and more from "I Scare > Myself"... But the human mind can -if you try- keep putting in "I Scare > Myself"; then again: if you don't try, or don't want to, it is as easily not > to hear it at all!!! > > For those still interested: I took Thomas's voice, speeded it up and fitted > in Out of Time. > See for it at: http://www.avl.dds.nl/Alloy.htm > > > > Tara, Anton > > some Old Roxy Follie: http://www.avl.dds.nl > Tom on BBC radio6: http://www.avl.dds.nl/Alloy.htm and some ISM + OOT ;-) > > "Strange how that futuristic year 2000 is now in the distant past" ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V8 #83 **************************