From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #50 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, March 29 2003 Volume 08 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Alloy: Submarines EP - friday afternoon joke... ["Anton van Lammere] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 ["L. U." ] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 ["Crackers" ] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: (ot) thanks ["Robin Thurlow" ] Alloy: European Vacation-Holiday Road! ["Michael & Denise" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:54:38 +0100 From: "Anton van Lammeren" Subject: RE: Alloy: Submarines EP - friday afternoon joke... > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Thurlow > Sent: 27 maart 2003 18:23 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Alloy: Submarines EP > .... > I'd love ANY number. It might be nice to have the option of > requesting copies that Thomas had made a little sketch on. > You know he must want to do a line drawing of his cat now and > then to alleviate the tedium of signing all those copies.. If you love cats DON'T go to: http://viral.lycos.co.uk/attachments/1427/nokia.avi (2.3MB) Disclaimer: Nokia says they have nothing to do with this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:57:29 +0000 From: "L. U." Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 Hi all! Well, seeing that everyone else has being doing a de-lurk, I'll do the same and catch up with everyone. As dearest Slarv said, feel free to hit DEL for the following bit! First up,...hugs Robin,...it's hell to loose a pet,..they give love so unconditionally that it's dreadful when one goes. Robyn,...sympathy - I'm trying to cut the carbs out of my diet for the same reasons,..Crackers,...move down here to the Med! It's help those bones, and we can all love having a super cool cartoonist down here! (In fact, I'd be happy if the whole of alloy moved down here! Come guys, what are you waiting for? :-) I pretty much disappeared of the radar last year when I too lost my job down here, as did my husband (within a month or two of each other) - 9/11 plus recession hit the businesses here in 'Europe's silicon valley' and approx. 80% of my friends jobs went the same way - down the plug hole. However, every cloud as they say,...this has given me the opportunity to go pro with music, and for the first time I seem to be getting somewhere with it, thanks to meeting a great English producer. I released an EP single a few years back which a few people on Alloy are aware of,..what you might not know is that then we released another EP containing a cover version of Thomas' wonderful song 'I Love You Goodbye',....however, we were utterly screwed over by the record company, (who at last minute decided to sell the record by mail-order only, and not promote it at all,...) hence, due to this and a bit of shyness, I didn't feel at all like promoting it on Alloy or anywhere else,...and let's not mention the fact that the company didn't pay us for the other tracks included that we wrote,..(sigh) Finally however, I find myself with a wonderful new bunch of experienced people, and some tracks that have been signed in the UK,...now the only thing is to persuade them to let me do a Dolby cover - yeah! The only thing now is to steer clear of the pitfalls of record companys (I'm in the middle of a big fight with a french company that have licenced my songs on to other companies without a contract or permission from me,...yet another story,..) and all that naivety about the music business. But things are looking up,...! In the meantime, we have a single coming out in the UK shortly (a cover version of the old 4 non-blondes track 'What's going on' and can I add that it wasn't my idea to cover that!) so keep your fingers crossed for us!! Otherwise, the sun is shining down here, and the balmy days before the tourists arrive are on us,...so why do I find myself yearning for the roaring fire in the corner or the tap room, and stories of bun foo and the professor emeritus (sp?) ? Looking forward to the release coming ot of submarines - yay! Thanks for the message Thomas! Love to all alloyites everywhere! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:23:19 -0500 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. U." > Otherwise, the sun is shining down here, and the balmy days before the > tourists arrive are on us,...so why do I find myself yearning for the > roaring fire in the corner or the tap room, and stories of bun foo and the > professor emeritus (sp?) ? You know, I've been halfway tempted to do a comic book adaptation of "The Emeritus Professor". I'd have to do a lot of editing work on it first but there were some parts of that story that were really cool. I've even been thinking of doing an "H.M.S.S. Pirate Twins" mini series chronicaling the interstellar adventures of Captain Franzie and Europa and their crew of Carolines. Next year I'll have more free time on my hands for this sort of stuff. How many artists do we have here on Alloy? You know what might be interesting to do, first, we'll finish up "The Emeritus Professor" story (oh, how many times have we bandied about that idea). Then perhaps one of the more professional amoungst us in the literary arts (like Paul) could edit the finished story (which it really needs baddly before it can be presentable). We convert the finished story into a comic book script and then if we have enough artists here on Alloy we are all assigned certain pages in the script to draw. Then we'll have the whole story finised up in comic book form. Get a Keenspace account for the comic and upload the entire thing there for online viewing, perhaps include some other special Dolby tidbits not found elsewhere online too, and as well we can use Cafepress's POD publishing service to print the book. We can either sell it with no markup on the base price (ie. no profit) or mark it up a few dollars on the base price and have the profits paid directly to whatever Thomas's pet charity is. Lots of work but it could be very fun. The unfinished status of "The Emeritus Professor" has always stuck in my craw. I think the last couple of chapters would have to be completely scrapped because things really started to deteriorate baddly there. It shouldn't be too hard, to wrap up what we've got in a couple more chapters though. Things were really building up to a head. I've worked on some impromanga before with other comic artists and whenever you have a project like that it's always best to keep in mind that the goal isn't to "out do" the person who contributed before you, the goal is to move the story along towards its conclusion in a cohesive and coherent manner. I think it should be within the realm of the collective of talent we have here on Alloy to finish this story up. Maybe we can even persuade Thomas himself to insert a paragraph or two, here or there. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:44:09 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 This relates to a thought I had last night while cleaning my kitchen?!. I had Graham Norton on the TV and Madness (the band) was on there and they mentioned something about having a musical. That got me thinking - I noticed a trend these days is for artist to create Broadway style musicals based on their old work. There's the Mama Mia musical based on Abba's work, Staying Alive or whatever based on the BeeGees work and perhaps some other's I'm not aware of. So, what would a musical based on Thomas' work be like? What would the story be and what songs would be used to push the story along. Obviously Europa and Eastern Block would be a big basis for the musical and the story line would somehow travel through Budapest, Louisiana and the hills of old Hollywood - but what goes in between? Just a fun exerciser for the group perhaps. I never saw the "The Emeritus Professor" and so don't know if that could serve as a basis for this imaginary musical. - -Keith (still waiting on an answer about what is on the Submarines EP) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crackers" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. U." > > > Otherwise, the sun is shining down here, and the balmy days before the > > tourists arrive are on us,...so why do I find myself yearning for the > > roaring fire in the corner or the tap room, and stories of bun foo and the > > professor emeritus (sp?) ? > > You know, I've been halfway tempted to do a comic book adaptation of "The > Emeritus Professor". I'd have to do a lot of editing work on it first but > there were some parts of that story that were really cool. > > I've even been thinking of doing an "H.M.S.S. Pirate Twins" mini series > chronicaling the interstellar adventures of Captain Franzie and Europa and > their crew of Carolines. > > Next year I'll have more free time on my hands for this sort of stuff. > > How many artists do we have here on Alloy? > > You know what might be interesting to do, first, we'll finish up "The > Emeritus Professor" story (oh, how many times have we bandied about that > idea). Then perhaps one of the more professional amoungst us in the literary > arts (like Paul) could edit the finished story (which it really needs baddly > before it can be presentable). We convert the finished story into a comic > book script and then if we have enough artists here on Alloy we are all > assigned certain pages in the script to draw. Then we'll have the whole > story finised up in comic book form. Get a Keenspace account for the comic > and upload the entire thing there for online viewing, perhaps include some > other special Dolby tidbits not found elsewhere online too, and as well we > can use Cafepress's POD publishing service to print the book. We can either > sell it with no markup on the base price (ie. no profit) or mark it up a few > dollars on the base price and have the profits paid directly to whatever > Thomas's pet charity is. > > Lots of work but it could be very fun. > > The unfinished status of "The Emeritus Professor" has always stuck in my > craw. I think the last couple of chapters would have to be completely > scrapped because things really started to deteriorate baddly there. It > shouldn't be too hard, to wrap up what we've got in a couple more chapters > though. Things were really building up to a head. > > I've worked on some impromanga before with other comic artists and whenever > you have a project like that it's always best to keep in mind that the goal > isn't to "out do" the person who contributed before you, the goal is to move > the story along towards its conclusion in a cohesive and coherent manner. I > think it should be within the realm of the collective of talent we have here > on Alloy to finish this story up. Maybe we can even persuade Thomas himself > to insert a paragraph or two, here or there. > > Crackers > > Ghastly's Ghastly Comic > http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:55:36 -0500 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: (ot) thanks I just wanted to thank everyone for your condolences on my losing my little ferret. It's nice to be understood and supported by such a kind group. Latest ferret news is that I've gotten a companion for Nemo as of last night - a very delicate wisp of a ferret whom I've named Pixie. She is deaf (a frequent genetic accompaniment to the "silver blaze" coloration pattern she's got) so I'll be doing some specialised training with her. Introducing the two of them last night was interesting to say the least! After much activity I finally got to bed very late, and dreamt all night of nothing but ferrets. News of the forthcoming CD release from Thomas is keeping me energised today..! xx ~r ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:15:48 -0500 From: "Michael & Denise" Subject: Alloy: European Vacation-Holiday Road! Hi gang, Thought I'd take a moment to share some of my experiences on my recent European vacation with my wife earlier this month. Having never been to Europe this was a learning experience for me and one that was both enjoyable and frustrating. Our first stop after flying into London was to head up to Bolton to catch Midge Ure of Ultravox fame performing solo. I had a good time driving on the left hand side of the road although the round-a-bouts kept kicking my ass(Look kids-Big Ben, Parliament!). Midge was awesome live and an incredibly friendly person after the show who sincerely enjoyed speaking with his fans. Newt up was over to Liverpool to catch a ferry to Ireland the next day. We learned the hard way that it's best not to purchase these ferries in advance since the trip was cancelled due to adverse weather conditions and we had to take a 2 hour bus trip to Holy Head to hook up with a different line. This all cut into our time in Ireland as we had to do the same thing coming back which ended up costing us about 8 hours total. Ireland was fun but the weather was nuts-when we were at the Dublin zoo the sun was shining but within 5 minutes it was raining hail like crazy. From Ireland it was back to Liverpool and then to London to drop off the rental car. It was 2 AM outside of Heathrow airport and we were being tailed on the empty streets by a bunch of drunks which I affectionately referred to as Billy Boy and his droogs who apparently had nothing else to do on a Tuesday morning. The days we spent in London were fantastic and the Underground system is one of the easiest to follow that I have ever used. I never realized that there was really a Bakerloo Line! We caught Cheap Trick at the Royal Albert Hall and then headed the next morning to Brussels to see ABC, Kim Wilde, et al at Star Night Fever. Here's where we started to run into problems! After picking up the rental car in the Brussels airport I was trying to ask for directions in Brussels but the folks at the information booth spoke very little English. We decided to have a go at finding our hotel but after driving around Brussels for 3 hours and then heading half way to Antwerp I said bump this-I'm taking the car back and we'll take the train into the city. Once again we ran into a language problem as no one I spoke to in my limited French said they could speak English. We managed to figure out what we wanted to catch after asking enough people and got to the hotel at about 4PM. Since the show started at 8PM and we hadn't eaten in over 24 hours we hit the streets figuring we would get a quick meal before the show. No luck there as none of the restaurants we stopped in were serving food between 2 and 6PM-the things we take for granted as Americans! During a 3 hour time span I stopped 13 people and asked them in French if they could speak English and received 3 responses of "a little" and 10 "no"s including one from a policeman sitting in a patrol car. Not having much luck with directions or food we headed to the show which was O.K. but definitely not worth the grief that we were having in Belgium. I had always heard that the Belgians were much more friendly to Americans than the French and that English was spoken at many places so I was very surprised by our experiences. It's hard to say whether people really didn't speak English or were just chilly towards Americans due to the current political climate caused by our foreign policy. One thing though is certain-while they were not outright rude the Belgians we spoke to didn't go out of their way to help us with information unlike many of the Brits we asked during our stay. We had planned to drive to France next and had already paid for a hotel room in Paris but we decided to scrap that and booked tickets back to London through the hotel internet service. Had a super time again our last few days in London and in retrospect we should have stuck to the U.K. and spent more time in Ireland. It was fascinating seeing so many of the places and things you've read about through the years and I look forward to hopefully seeing more of Europe in the future. I really didn't think the language barrier would be that bad but it sure caused us some problems! Oh and you guys were right-there are all sorts of exotic flavors of potato chips(crisps) in the stores there with my personal favorite being char-grilled steak! Mmmm...char-grilled steak.... Off to find my place in line for the new remix CD, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:56:01 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 I think there would also be scenes from the Paris underground, and I think it would also have this drunken dream where he ends up in outer space with George Clinton. - -Russ P.S. What is on the Submarines EP? ...well versions of One of Our Submarines!! what else! :^) Keith Stansell wrote: >This relates to a thought I had last night while cleaning my kitchen?!. I >had Graham Norton on the TV and Madness (the band) was on there and they >mentioned something about having a musical. > >That got me thinking - I noticed a trend these days is for artist to create >Broadway style musicals based on their old work. There's the Mama Mia >musical based on Abba's work, Staying Alive or whatever based on the BeeGees >work and perhaps some other's I'm not aware of. > >So, what would a musical based on Thomas' work be like? What would the >story be and what songs would be used to push the story along. Obviously >Europa and Eastern Block would be a big basis for the musical and the story >line would somehow travel through Budapest, Louisiana and the hills of old >Hollywood - but what goes in between? > >Just a fun exerciser for the group perhaps. I never saw the "The Emeritus >Professor" and so don't know if that could serve as a basis for this >imaginary musical. > >-Keith >(still waiting on an answer about what is on the Submarines EP) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Crackers" >To: >Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:23 AM >Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #48 > > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "L. U." >> >> >> >>>Otherwise, the sun is shining down here, and the balmy days before the >>>tourists arrive are on us,...so why do I find myself yearning for the >>>roaring fire in the corner or the tap room, and stories of bun foo and >>> >>> >the > > >>>professor emeritus (sp?) ? >>> >>> >>You know, I've been halfway tempted to do a comic book adaptation of "The >>Emeritus Professor". I'd have to do a lot of editing work on it first but >>there were some parts of that story that were really cool. >> >>I've even been thinking of doing an "H.M.S.S. Pirate Twins" mini series >>chronicaling the interstellar adventures of Captain Franzie and Europa and >>their crew of Carolines. >> >>Next year I'll have more free time on my hands for this sort of stuff. >> >>How many artists do we have here on Alloy? >> >>You know what might be interesting to do, first, we'll finish up "The >>Emeritus Professor" story (oh, how many times have we bandied about that >>idea). Then perhaps one of the more professional amoungst us in the >> >> >literary > > >>arts (like Paul) could edit the finished story (which it really needs >> >> >baddly > > >>before it can be presentable). We convert the finished story into a comic >>book script and then if we have enough artists here on Alloy we are all >>assigned certain pages in the script to draw. Then we'll have the whole >>story finised up in comic book form. Get a Keenspace account for the comic >>and upload the entire thing there for online viewing, perhaps include some >>other special Dolby tidbits not found elsewhere online too, and as well we >>can use Cafepress's POD publishing service to print the book. We can >> >> >either > > >>sell it with no markup on the base price (ie. no profit) or mark it up a >> >> >few > > >>dollars on the base price and have the profits paid directly to whatever >>Thomas's pet charity is. >> >>Lots of work but it could be very fun. >> >>The unfinished status of "The Emeritus Professor" has always stuck in my >>craw. I think the last couple of chapters would have to be completely >>scrapped because things really started to deteriorate baddly there. It >>shouldn't be too hard, to wrap up what we've got in a couple more chapters >>though. Things were really building up to a head. >> >>I've worked on some impromanga before with other comic artists and >> >> >whenever > > >>you have a project like that it's always best to keep in mind that the >> >> >goal > > >>isn't to "out do" the person who contributed before you, the goal is to >> >> >move > > >>the story along towards its conclusion in a cohesive and coherent manner. >> >> >I > > >>think it should be within the realm of the collective of talent we have >> >> >here > > >>on Alloy to finish this story up. Maybe we can even persuade Thomas >> >> >himself > > >>to insert a paragraph or two, here or there. >> >>Crackers >> >>Ghastly's Ghastly Comic >>http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V8 #50 **************************