From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #25 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, February 8 2003 Volume 08 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: One of Our Submarines ["Blagg&Norling" ] Re: Alloy: One of Our Submarines ["Sally" ] Re: Alloy: One of Our Submarines [PRAEst76 ] Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History ["p.latham2" ] Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History [PRAEst76 ] Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History [PRAEst76 ] Re: Alloy: The World Is Ending ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: The World Is Ending [Robin Thurlow ] RE: Alloy: The World Is Ending ["David Abbitt" ] Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History ["Paulo" ] Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History [Russell Milliner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:35:13 -0000 From: "Blagg&Norling" Subject: Alloy: One of Our Submarines Ah at last!, it finally arrived.... Yesterday a delayed Santa finally delivered the CD version of the Thomas / Salz mixes of One Of Our Subs. Having already purchased the 'very attractive' vinyl version in November, as many of you will appreciate, it also became imperitive to buy the CD version as well. Forgive me if someone has already menioned this and I've forgotten the thread, but in a bit of an Aliens Ate My Buick mode, the CD version contans an additional track...namely 'Akufen Remix'. Having listened to the CD 3 times through last night, I believe it to be quite a strange omission, as I personally consider this to be the best remix of the lot. I also thought that May the Cube Be With You was an unfortunate omission from Aliens, as it's such a great song. What do the rest of you think? Trevor..... presently powered by 'The Devils' - Barbarellas. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:29:17 -0800 From: "Sally" Subject: Re: Alloy: One of Our Submarines Where do you get the cd version of "One of Our Submarines"? I'm in the UK. Thanks, Sally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:02:19 +0000 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: One of Our Submarines Sally sed: > Where do you get the cd version of "One of Our Submarines"? I'm in the UK. > Thanks, Amazon has it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006ZSMR/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/026-1924749-0147608 - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: And One - High (live) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:07:38 +0000 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: One of Our Submarines Blagg&Norling sed: > I also thought that May the Cube Be With You was an unfortunate omission from > Aliens, as it's such a great song. It wasn't an omission as mush as an addition. The song didn't fit really with the rest of the album which survived quite happily without it. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: And One - Techno Man ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:18:24 -0200 From: "Paulo" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History You understood it all wrong PRAESst. I would really like to see THOMAS DOLBY in n: 1 and that doesn't mean I rank him along side all those you mentioned. If a Thomas Dolby song arrived at n:1 it would just mean that the public got more clever. Did you know that in previous decades good artists were able to get their albums in n: 1 or 2 in England ? Kate Bush for instance... (and she has lots of credibility as a good musician, composer and singer). In the early to mid 80's she had 2 albums (NEVER FOR EVER & HOUNDS OF LOVE) in the charts. The first of them in n: 1 and the other in n: 2. Then, does it mean they are crap ?? No, it means that the public then in the 80's was more intelligent concerning their listening habits. It also means that the POP musical STANDARDS then were higher and better than those of today's. Paulo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" To: "Paulo" Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History > > Paulo sed: > > > In spite of its upbeat dance rythm, the song itself is so melancholic and > > extremely beautiful. > > Surely it deserved the n: 1 spot. > > Blame it on the public. > > What, the public who care about wether a song charts well or not to > rate this music? Why does it matter? Thomas Dolby being at number one > in the charts and being ranked along side such greats as The Chicken > Song? Saturday Night? No Limit? All those alltime classic songs that > display the ultimate achievment of mankinds muse? > > Most of the groups I listen to never chart nevermind get to number > one. Many of TMDR's best tracks require some thought to truely > enjoy... yeah i'm sure if he wanted Tom could get a number one > tomorrow. Follow the manual on how to do it, cover all the bases that > the single buying public want; catchy, fatally. bubblegum, getting > dressed to go out at the weekend music and lose the respect of all his > current fans in order to appease the teenyboppers and the > beancounters. > > In my opinion having a number one is no sign of quality, it just means > that you've bought off the lowest common denominator. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:15:22 -0000 From: "p.latham2" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History Yes Field Work was great video was good as well dont know if youve seen it - goes on for ages. I realise that chart positions arent important, but artists must wonder why they bother sometimes when they hear some of the rubbish thats about.Some of our alloy musicians might be able to answer a question for me - do you get reasonable money as a songwriter / session musician because you see names from the past banded about but how have they survived -- eg as far as I know all the members of the Camera Club are still involved in music except the drummer who seemed to disappear after assisting Girls at Our Best. Ive always just been interested in how Thomas has fared worldwide - and never understood why Hyperactive wasnt as big a favourite especially in the US after the success of Science. PS I must save up for the vinyl version of Submarines Mixes - vinyl rules.or at least it looks like youve got something for you money - I used to love going to record shops & getting a big bag to carry my purchase in rather than being able to slip the purchase in my coat pocket or losing it under the settee (sofa). Paul (Blackpool) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paulo To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History > > You understood it all wrong PRAESst. > > I would really like to see THOMAS DOLBY in n: 1 and that doesn't mean I rank > him along side all those you mentioned. > If a Thomas Dolby song arrived at n:1 it would just mean that the public got > more clever. > > Did you know that in previous decades good artists were able to get their > albums in n: 1 or 2 in England ? > Kate Bush for instance... (and she has lots of credibility as a good > musician, composer and singer). > In the early to mid 80's she had 2 albums (NEVER FOR EVER & HOUNDS OF > LOVE) in the charts. > The first of them in n: 1 and the other in n: 2. > Then, does it mean they are crap ?? > No, it means that the public then in the 80's was more intelligent > concerning their listening habits. > It also means that the POP musical STANDARDS then were higher and better > than those of today's. > > Paulo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PRAEst76" > To: "Paulo" > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History > > > > > > Paulo sed: > > > > > In spite of its upbeat dance rythm, the song itself is so melancholic > and > > > extremely beautiful. > > > Surely it deserved the n: 1 spot. > > > Blame it on the public. > > > > What, the public who care about wether a song charts well or not to > > rate this music? Why does it matter? Thomas Dolby being at number one > > in the charts and being ranked along side such greats as The Chicken > > Song? Saturday Night? No Limit? All those alltime classic songs that > > display the ultimate achievment of mankinds muse? > > > > Most of the groups I listen to never chart nevermind get to number > > one. Many of TMDR's best tracks require some thought to truely > > enjoy... yeah i'm sure if he wanted Tom could get a number one > > tomorrow. Follow the manual on how to do it, cover all the bases that > > the single buying public want; catchy, fatally. bubblegum, getting > > dressed to go out at the weekend music and lose the respect of all his > > current fans in order to appease the teenyboppers and the > > beancounters. > > > > In my opinion having a number one is no sign of quality, it just means > > that you've bought off the lowest common denominator. > > > > -- > > PRAEst76 > > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:10:06 +0000 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History Paulo sed: > You understood it all wrong PRAESst. > I would really like to see THOMAS DOLBY in n: 1 and that doesn't mean I rank > him along side all those you mentioned. > If a Thomas Dolby song arrived at n:1 it would just mean that the public got > more clever. I think then they wouldn't care about wether and artist was in the charts, wethe they got a brit award and wether they got invited ot various showbiz parties, unlike now. > Did you know that in previous decades good artists were able to get their > albums in n: 1 or 2 in England ? I've seen the odd good artist do well on an album more recently than that. > Kate Bush for instance... (and she has lots of credibility as a good > musician, composer and singer). > In the early to mid 80's she had 2 albums (NEVER FOR EVER & HOUNDS OF > LOVE) in the charts. > The first of them in n: 1 and the other in n: 2. > Then, does it mean they are crap ?? No, but the album chart is a different kettle of fish. Originally we were talking about songs. Which implied the singles chart. Which is crap and always has been. > No, it means that the public then in the 80's was more intelligent > concerning their listening habits. No it doesn't. The album charts haven't changed. You still get the odd good album at the top of the album charts. Depeche Mode have done quite well in the album charts, even with their last couple of albums. But during the 80s there was plenty of dross there too. The album chart tends to show more dedication to a group, ie someone who would consider a band long enough to buy their lartest album, or longterm fans that buy it... I rarely buy singles, many people are the same. If they like a band enough they'll buy the album, yet ignore the singles. The album chart and the singles pop chart show ususally two completely different style of purchaser. > It also means that the POP musical STANDARDS then were higher and better > than those of today's. I dunno, this is all down to personal taste. I've been told that more music got sold then, plus if we are talking about 'pop'... Pop implies "Popular Music" or music that goes "pop". What is popular now is different from what was popular then. What is popular now is by the numbers tack. It's not hard to get a hit now, you just have to know the forumula. However any artist who makes music by this forumla is hardly original or creative, nor TBH an artist. It's just product. For me music is not about charts. I've never judged a band or artist by their chart success and don't hold much respect for those artists that do. I don't think Thomas ever made music for the chart. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:26:39 +0000 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History p.latham2 sed: > Yes Field Work was great video was good as well dont know if youve seen > it - goes on for ages. I've seen Hyperactive. It's the only Thomas Dolby related work I've seen on the screen. And that was about 10 years ago... oe whenever Restrospectical came out and they reissued it. It was on... that show that was on Saturdays on ITV... The Chart Show? > I realise that chart positions arent important, but artists must wonder why > they bother sometimes when they hear some of the rubbish thats about. Because they are artists. I've no time for anyone who does it for the chart and success, or those that atarted as artists and got corrupted by the media and turned into egos on legs. > Some of > our alloy musicians might be able to answer a question for me - do you get > reasonable money as a songwriter / session musician because you see names > from the past banded about but how have they survived -- eg as far as I know > all the members of the Camera Club are still involved in music except the > drummer who seemed to disappear after assisting Girls at Our Best. Songwriter can be best. You write a good song that's going ot be around for years and you can retire. Everytime it's played, sampled, covered, used in an ad... money in the bank. I guess session musician is good solid work. If you get a good reputation. People will always want you, and you get to meet a lot of new people and do different stuff. I gather being in the same band for 15 years can cramp your style bigtime. > Ive always just been interested in how Thomas has fared worldwide - and > never understood why Hyperactive wasnt as big a favourite especially in the > US after the success of Science. I hated it when I first heard it. It was too quirky for the pop crowd and too embarrasing for the more thoughful fans who would only buy it in secret in shops in towns they wern't known and took it home under plain wrapper and played it with headphones on. Took me about six years before I'd play it loudly myself... great tune but the sort of thing your mates who like The Sisters Of Mercy & The Cult would beat you up if they found you listening to. > PS I must save up for the vinyl version of Submarines Mixes - vinyl rules.or > at least it looks like youve got something for you money - I used to love > going to record shops & getting a big bag to carry my purchase in rather > than being able to slip the purchase in my coat pocket or losing it under > the settee (sofa). Actually, I tend to buy vinyl if possible and possibly crab the digital tracks off the net. I just like vinyl. It's substantial. And the packaging is better. People think I'm nuts. I've even sold CDs on ebay after replacing them with vinyl. Especially for olders stuff. Stuff originally released on vinyl. 80s stuff. It's how it's meant to be heard really. I just wish stylii were cheaper, and I had a better turntable. I get the feeling I'm destroying them while playing them on my el cheapo kit. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:46:14 -0000 From: "p.latham2" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History PRAEst76 - If you like videos it would be well worth seeing the 'Golden Age of Video' - the videos for Europa,Airwaves & Dissidents are marvellous. Yep there is something to be said about vinyl I love playing it - but like you say - everytime I play it i think I might be scratching/damaging it - one single cost me #40 last year - and im terrified to take it out of the sleeve never mind play it - have to admit ive taped it to save wear & tear but I dont like tapes - except for in the car. Like you say - artists carry on because they love what they do - I have approx 18 albums by a folk/political singer called Robb Johnson - his stuff is excellent but for most of these recordings he was also part time teacher.- im sure hes not had much financial gain over the years. Paul (Blackpool) - ----- Original Message ----- From: PRAEst76 To: p.latham2 Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History > > p.latham2 sed: > > > Yes Field Work was great video was good as well dont know if youve seen > > it - goes on for ages. > > I've seen Hyperactive. It's the only Thomas Dolby related work I've > seen on the screen. And that was about 10 years ago... oe whenever > Restrospectical came out and they reissued it. It was on... that show > that was on Saturdays on ITV... The Chart Show? > > > I realise that chart positions arent important, but artists must wonder why > > they bother sometimes when they hear some of the rubbish thats about. > > Because they are artists. I've no time for anyone who does it for the > chart and success, or those that atarted as artists and got corrupted > by the media and turned into egos on legs. > > > > Some of > > our alloy musicians might be able to answer a question for me - do you get > > reasonable money as a songwriter / session musician because you see names > > from the past banded about but how have they survived -- eg as far as I know > > all the members of the Camera Club are still involved in music except the > > drummer who seemed to disappear after assisting Girls at Our Best. > > Songwriter can be best. You write a good song that's going ot be > around for years and you can retire. Everytime it's played, sampled, > covered, used in an ad... money in the bank. I guess session musician > is good solid work. If you get a good reputation. People will always > want you, and you get to meet a lot of new people and do different > stuff. I gather being in the same band for 15 years can cramp your > style bigtime. > > > Ive always just been interested in how Thomas has fared worldwide - and > > never understood why Hyperactive wasnt as big a favourite especially in the > > US after the success of Science. > > I hated it when I first heard it. It was too quirky for the pop crowd > and too embarrasing for the more thoughful fans who would only buy it > in secret in shops in towns they wern't known and took it home under > plain wrapper and played it with headphones on. Took me about six > years before I'd play it loudly myself... great tune but the sort of > thing your mates who like The Sisters Of Mercy & The Cult would beat > you up if they found you listening to. > > > PS I must save up for the vinyl version of Submarines Mixes - vinyl rules.or > > at least it looks like youve got something for you money - I used to love > > going to record shops & getting a big bag to carry my purchase in rather > > than being able to slip the purchase in my coat pocket or losing it under > > the settee (sofa). > > Actually, I tend to buy vinyl if possible and possibly crab the > digital tracks off the net. I just like vinyl. It's substantial. And > the packaging is better. People think I'm nuts. I've even sold CDs on > ebay after replacing them with vinyl. Especially for olders stuff. > Stuff originally released on vinyl. 80s stuff. It's how it's meant to > be heard really. I just wish stylii were cheaper, and I had a better > turntable. I get the feeling I'm destroying them while playing them on > my el cheapo kit. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:54:52 +0000 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History p.latham2 sed: > If you like videos it would be well worth seeing the 'Golden Age of Video' - > the videos for Europa,Airwaves & Dissidents are marvellous. No can do, is it even in print anymore? My VCR died last year and I've never bothered ot replace it. All gone digital here, if someone wants to start a petition (or even wants me to start one) to get it released on DVD let me know. :) IF we can get a thousand signatures at least we can sed it off to... whoever owns the rights... and it might show them there is demand. > Yep there is something to be said about vinyl I love playing it - but like > you say - everytime I play it i think I might be scratching/damaging it - > one single cost me #40 last year - and im terrified to take it out of the > sleeve never mind play it - have to admit ive taped it to save wear & tear > but I dont like tapes - except for in the car. This is why the good lord gave us mp3. I spend weeks ripping some of my old vinyls and cleaning up the sound etc. I won't touch tape anymore. Still have a cassette player in the bathroom but it's become redundant since I bought a small CD mp3 player for in there. Only problem is steam. CDs don't work well in the bathroom. I've never paid #40 for a single. I don't believe in rip-offs. No matter how good something is there is always an upper limit ot what I'll pay. The prices I've seen on some "rare gems" have been nothing short of blackmail. I see the pricetags as ransom demands. Thankfull there is an endless supply of peopel on ebay who don't know the value of their items and market them badly. Surprising how many people don't check their spelling etc... and they wonder why they don't get many bids :) > Like you say - artists carry on because they love what they do - I have > approx 18 albums by a folk/political singer called Robb Johnson - his stuff > is excellent but for most of these recordings he was also part time > teacher.- im sure hes not had much financial gain over the years. I don't mind an artist being well rewarded for what they do, it when they see the music business as a way to make cash and block focus on better artists by working the pop culture. There are many very talented artists who can't get exposure because of the massive amounts of airplay given over to cynically marketed gimmick performers. And this whole "Pop Idol/Star" attitude pisses me off. "Manufactured" used to be a joke, now it's seen as the norm. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: Killing Joke - Communion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:58:36 -0800 From: "David Abbitt" Subject: Alloy: The World Is Ending Just read on CNN.com; Thomas' mystery "next step" post-Beatnik has him forming a new boy band. "D-CUBED SQUARED" The act is set to open on a 58 city American and then subsequent European tour. Singer/Dancers taking part include Thomas, David Bowie, three yet-to-be-named members of Toto, and Brian May. Incredibly the plan is they rework and perform such hits as "She Blinded Me With Science", "China Girl", "Africa", "Bohemian Rhapsody", and "One of Our Submarines" as six-part vocal harmonies, spiced up with Philly hip-hop flava and backing tracks. Surprisingly, "Under Pressure" will not be included in the show as they feel that would be "dissing" Vanilla Ice. Wow! TMDR quoted in the article as saying, "Here's some shizm to my nizm in the alloy-world. Stick with me kids all the wizay to the tizop." Stay tuned. - -Dabb - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PRAEst76 Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:25 PM To: Paulo Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History Paulo sed: > In spite of its upbeat dance rythm, the song itself is so melancholic > and extremely beautiful. Surely it deserved the n: 1 spot. > Blame it on the public. What, the public who care about wether a song charts well or not to rate this music? Why does it matter? Thomas Dolby being at number one in the charts and being ranked along side such greats as The Chicken Song? Saturday Night? No Limit? All those alltime classic songs that display the ultimate achievment of mankinds muse? Most of the groups I listen to never chart nevermind get to number one. Many of TMDR's best tracks require some thought to truely enjoy... yeah i'm sure if he wanted Tom could get a number one tomorrow. Follow the manual on how to do it, cover all the bases that the single buying public want; catchy, fatally. bubblegum, getting dressed to go out at the weekend music and lose the respect of all his current fans in order to appease the teenyboppers and the beancounters. In my opinion having a number one is no sign of quality, it just means that you've bought off the lowest common denominator. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:04:46 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: The World Is Ending I knew there must have been some reason behind the orange alert. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Abbitt" To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Alloy: The World Is Ending > > Just read on CNN.com; Thomas' mystery "next step" post-Beatnik has him > forming a new boy band. "D-CUBED SQUARED" > > The act is set to open on a 58 city American and then subsequent > European tour. Singer/Dancers taking part include Thomas, David Bowie, > three yet-to-be-named members of Toto, and Brian May. Incredibly the > plan is they rework and perform such hits as "She Blinded Me With > Science", "China Girl", "Africa", "Bohemian Rhapsody", and "One of Our > Submarines" as six-part vocal harmonies, spiced up with Philly hip-hop > flava and backing tracks. Surprisingly, "Under Pressure" will not be > included in the show as they feel that would be "dissing" Vanilla Ice. > Wow! > > TMDR quoted in the article as saying, "Here's some shizm to my nizm in > the alloy-world. Stick with me kids all the wizay to the tizop." > > Stay tuned. > > -Dabb > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > PRAEst76 > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:25 PM > To: Paulo > Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History > > > > Paulo sed: > > > In spite of its upbeat dance rythm, the song itself is so melancholic > > and extremely beautiful. Surely it deserved the n: 1 spot. > > Blame it on the public. > > What, the public who care about wether a song charts well or not to rate > this music? Why does it matter? Thomas Dolby being at number one in the > charts and being ranked along side such greats as The Chicken Song? > Saturday Night? No Limit? All those alltime classic songs that display > the ultimate achievment of mankinds muse? > > Most of the groups I listen to never chart nevermind get to number one. > Many of TMDR's best tracks require some thought to truely enjoy... yeah > i'm sure if he wanted Tom could get a number one tomorrow. Follow the > manual on how to do it, cover all the bases that the single buying > public want; catchy, fatally. bubblegum, getting dressed to go out at > the weekend music and lose the respect of all his current fans in order > to appease the teenyboppers and the beancounters. > > In my opinion having a number one is no sign of quality, it just means > that you've bought off the lowest common denominator. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: The World Is Ending Dabbitt, don't scare me like that... xx ~r Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:53:51 -0800 From: "David Abbitt" Subject: RE: Alloy: The World Is Ending Could the truth be stranger than fiction? ;-) - -Dabb - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Robin Thurlow Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:35 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: The World Is Ending Dabbitt, don't scare me like that... xx ~r Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:18:39 -0200 From: "Paulo" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History Hello to all I need your help on this: In the last 2 years I've bought through the internet many different versions of Thomas 1st album TGAOW, in order to find the ROCK VERSION of RADIO SILENCE, but my efforts were in vain... All copies I' ve got had the usual SYNTH version. The last one I got was the UK VENICE IN PERIL copy n: VIP1076071, but it also had the SYNTH version. If it is possible, I'd like you to tell me which pressing has the ROCK VERSION (label, country and catalogue number). It will make it easier to find a copy in the web. Thank you so much Paulo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 22:42:48 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Chart History I am lucky enough to have both. Both are the "comic book" style cover (Captol ST-1-12271), and both have identical label, county and catalogue number. There is only two ways to know the difference...listen :-) or look at the track time. The rock version has a track time of 4:32 whereas the synth version has a track time of 3:43. Also my copy of the synth version came is a clear plastic sleeve and the rock version has a purple Capitol sleeve. I should probably note this on my web site (and I probably will). - -Russ http://www.tmdrfan.com/ Paulo wrote: >Hello to all > >I need your help on this: > >In the last 2 years I've bought through the internet many different >versions of Thomas 1st album TGAOW, in order to find the ROCK VERSION of >RADIO SILENCE, but my efforts were in vain... > >All copies I' ve got had the usual SYNTH version. The last one I got was >the UK VENICE IN PERIL copy n: VIP1076071, but it also had the SYNTH >version. > >If it is possible, I'd like you to tell me which pressing has the ROCK >VERSION (label, country and catalogue number). >It will make it easier to find a copy in the web. > >Thank you so much > >Paulo ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V8 #25 **************************