From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #9 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: submarines remixes ["p.latham2" ] Re: Alloy: submarines remixes ["Blagg&Norling" Subject: Re: Alloy: submarines remixes At last someone else has menioned these remixes - glad you like the cd Barbara - I just got it back from my brother who had lost it for about 2 months, and ive played it eversince - over & over again. It is one of Thomas best songs - in my oppinion - and like yourself love any version of it - Your descriptions of the various mixes were pretty spot on. For info. of anyone who was poss. nervous of ordering from Formic records - or maybe postage might be cheaper elsewhere - I know there are a couple of stores selling the cd or vinyl - try GEMM or NETSOUNDS - ive not compared the prices but might be worth a try. Paul (Blackpool). - ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Cohen To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Alloy: submarines remixes > > Yay! I got the Salz Submarines remix CD for Christmas!! Actually, I > ordered it quite some time ago, then gave it to my SO to wrap and give > back to me (wow, it's exactly what I wanted!). I really really like it, > but it being one of my favorite songs, I'll listen to it in nearly any > incarnation. The Salz remix is pretty straightforward with some > non-intrusive ambient sounds thrown into extra breaks and laid over the > normal song. The Hardfloor remix is pretty typical Hardfloor, with a > strong bass beat coming in under the song and then mostly following the > normal song with various tracks removed or highlighted, and a couple of > nice breaks. Paul Sebastien spends most of his time sampling choppy > vocal bits and the main synth melody and laying them over his own techno > groove. Ricardo Villalobos lays the vocal track over some crappy dub > track that sounds like when your CD skips, but he does use a neat effect > of stretching out the synth parts in a couple of places. A *very cool* > opening to the Threshold Project remix, where there's an ocean wave > sound and just the vocals sounding quite isolated; the rest of the mix > uses the bass synth part that sounds like you're hearing it underwater > somehow with a generic techno snare bit and some of those CD-skip > effects thrown in for good measure. It uses the bass synth in a throbby > way that gets petty repetetive but would probably qualify as great > German club music, as I recall my time in the Berlin clubs. Salz goes > too far in their dubmix, which is like turning on your 1984 Casio to > "samba" and putting in the vocal chorus every once in a while. They do a > break where they put in an interview clip with TMDR about his approach > to making music in the studio, followed by a rapid montage of clips fom > other songs, including the first 2 notes of hyperactive and the last > "whoo-oo-oo" from Dolby's Cube. The Akufen remix uses another spartan > background of CD-skipping effects and a beat, but I like that they take > the tracks right out of the original, one by one, so you only get 1 or 2 > tracks at a time, which is neat. The track from Forty is also included. > If you absolutely love this song, then I'd recommend it, but some of the > remixes are *really really* German techno, which not everyone likes. > Also, I ordered from Formic, where the shipping cost to the US is more > than the cost of the CD, which doesn't seem right, and it still takes 12 > weeks (and my jewel box was completely destroyed). > > > I may be out of the loop, but I'm curious what this Hardfloor is. My > > wife > > has a Hardfloor CD that lists Thomas' name on the cover but we have no > > idea > > if he had a part in the project or if someone used his material as > > source > > material. There is at least one song that sounds somewhat like Thomas, > > particularly his 'Gate' stuff. > > > > > > Hardfloor are a German duet of DJ-remixers. Groups like this use other > people's stuff as the basis for their work, but they do more than just > re-sample tracks, they add some of their own music, beats, etc. so > they're kind of in between just sampling work and just remixing work. > > > > >> Has anyone else bought the CD yet -- I think its great - wondered what > > other > >> people thought ?? > > > > I was put off by the presence of a Hardfloor mix. I've got hardfloor > > mixes on a few CD singles here (Depeche Mode, New Order, Shamen) and > > they were horrible. I took it as a bad omen for the rest of the release. > > I don't know any of the other mixers. > > > > I really like all the Hardfloor mixes I have (funnily, I have all the > ones you mention), so I took it as a *good* omen :) > > *B* > ______________________________________________________________________ > Dr. Barbara Cohen, lunatic bcohen@hawaii.edu > Hawaii Institute of Geophysics & Planetology (808) 956-3901 (office) > University of Hawaii at Manoa (808) 956-6322 (fax) > Honolulu, HI 96822 http://www.higp.hawaii.edu/~bcohen/ > ______________________________________________________________________ > How do I set my laser printer to "stun" ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:33:43 -0000 From: "Blagg&Norling" Subject: Re: Alloy: submarines remixes Cheers for this Paul, I've already bought the vinyl version of this from a company called cdzone.co.uk. There were no problems with this, however, I then tried to order the CD version from the same company where it has been on order since early November...Bummer. Trev....... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "p.latham2" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: submarines remixes > > At last someone else has menioned these remixes - glad you like the cd > Barbara - I just got it back from my brother who had lost it for about 2 > months, and ive played it eversince - over & over again. > > It is one of Thomas best songs - in my oppinion - and like yourself love any > version of it - Your descriptions of the various mixes were pretty spot on. > > For info. of anyone who was poss. nervous of ordering from Formic records - > or maybe postage might be cheaper elsewhere - I know there are a couple of > stores selling the cd or vinyl - try GEMM or NETSOUNDS - ive not compared > the prices but might be worth a try. > > Paul (Blackpool). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Cohen > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 9:18 PM > Subject: Alloy: submarines remixes > > > > > > Yay! I got the Salz Submarines remix CD for Christmas!! Actually, I > > ordered it quite some time ago, then gave it to my SO to wrap and give > > back to me (wow, it's exactly what I wanted!). I really really like it, > > but it being one of my favorite songs, I'll listen to it in nearly any > > incarnation. The Salz remix is pretty straightforward with some > > non-intrusive ambient sounds thrown into extra breaks and laid over the > > normal song. The Hardfloor remix is pretty typical Hardfloor, with a > > strong bass beat coming in under the song and then mostly following the > > normal song with various tracks removed or highlighted, and a couple of > > nice breaks. Paul Sebastien spends most of his time sampling choppy > > vocal bits and the main synth melody and laying them over his own techno > > groove. Ricardo Villalobos lays the vocal track over some crappy dub > > track that sounds like when your CD skips, but he does use a neat effect > > of stretching out the synth parts in a couple of places. A *very cool* > > opening to the Threshold Project remix, where there's an ocean wave > > sound and just the vocals sounding quite isolated; the rest of the mix > > uses the bass synth part that sounds like you're hearing it underwater > > somehow with a generic techno snare bit and some of those CD-skip > > effects thrown in for good measure. It uses the bass synth in a throbby > > way that gets petty repetetive but would probably qualify as great > > German club music, as I recall my time in the Berlin clubs. Salz goes > > too far in their dubmix, which is like turning on your 1984 Casio to > > "samba" and putting in the vocal chorus every once in a while. They do a > > break where they put in an interview clip with TMDR about his approach > > to making music in the studio, followed by a rapid montage of clips fom > > other songs, including the first 2 notes of hyperactive and the last > > "whoo-oo-oo" from Dolby's Cube. The Akufen remix uses another spartan > > background of CD-skipping effects and a beat, but I like that they take > > the tracks right out of the original, one by one, so you only get 1 or 2 > > tracks at a time, which is neat. The track from Forty is also included. > > If you absolutely love this song, then I'd recommend it, but some of the > > remixes are *really really* German techno, which not everyone likes. > > Also, I ordered from Formic, where the shipping cost to the US is more > > than the cost of the CD, which doesn't seem right, and it still takes 12 > > weeks (and my jewel box was completely destroyed). > > > > > I may be out of the loop, but I'm curious what this Hardfloor is. My > > > wife > > > has a Hardfloor CD that lists Thomas' name on the cover but we have no > > > idea > > > if he had a part in the project or if someone used his material as > > > source > > > material. There is at least one song that sounds somewhat like Thomas, > > > particularly his 'Gate' stuff. > > > > > > > > > > Hardfloor are a German duet of DJ-remixers. Groups like this use other > > people's stuff as the basis for their work, but they do more than just > > re-sample tracks, they add some of their own music, beats, etc. so > > they're kind of in between just sampling work and just remixing work. > > > > > > > >> Has anyone else bought the CD yet -- I think its great - wondered what > > > other > > >> people thought ?? > > > > > > I was put off by the presence of a Hardfloor mix. I've got hardfloor > > > mixes on a few CD singles here (Depeche Mode, New Order, Shamen) and > > > they were horrible. I took it as a bad omen for the rest of the release. > > > I don't know any of the other mixers. > > > > > > > I really like all the Hardfloor mixes I have (funnily, I have all the > > ones you mention), so I took it as a *good* omen :) > > > > *B* > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Dr. Barbara Cohen, lunatic bcohen@hawaii.edu > > Hawaii Institute of Geophysics & Planetology (808) 956-3901 (office) > > University of Hawaii at Manoa (808) 956-6322 (fax) > > Honolulu, HI 96822 http://www.higp.hawaii.edu/~bcohen/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > How do I set my laser printer to "stun" ? ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V8 #9 *************************