From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V7 #186 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, September 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 186 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? ["Gene Savage" ] Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? [PRAEst76 ] Alloy: RADIO SILENCE ["Paulo" ] Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX [PRAEst76 ] RE: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX ["Robin Thurlow" ] Re: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? [Jon Drukman ] Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX [Chris Good ] Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE [Chris Good ] Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE [Jon Drukman ] RE: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE ["Philip P Woodcock" ] RE: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE [Jon Drukman ] Alloy: The Shipping Forcast [PRAEst76 ] Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster ["Blagg&Norling" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 04:38:11 -0500 From: "Gene Savage" Subject: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? PRAEst76, As far as I know, you are correct in saying that TWoTF has never been issued on CD... much to my disappointment. May I now make a confession to the group? I have never even SEEN the recording in any shape form or fashion. 20 years ago (yikes!) I bought the vinyl version of TGAoW which gave me the U.S. mix of SBMWS (the version I prefer because of those cool synth drums at the end!), an edited version of Airwaves (which I didn't know until about the last month!) and the "rock" version of radio silence. About 10 years later, I bought the CD which gave me CD quality but the "cheese" version of Radio Silence (any fans of the lite version, forgive me). Around the same time I picked up The Flat Earth & Aliens Ate My Buick (Dolby's "Requiem," in my opinion; sheer genius!) on cassette first and later CD. I about wore "Aliens" out driving to and from Rogers State College in Claremore, and my home here in Tulsa. (Did I mention I think it is a great driving album?...) Had I known or seen Wreck anywhere I am quite confident I would have picked it up, vinyl, tape or CD. As it is, someone has graciously shared an MP3 of the vinyl recording with me. Record scratches included at no extra cost. :) I'll probably attempt some minor restoration with Cool Edit Pro. I do wish they would issue an "expanded" Golden Age Of Wireless on CD, but I expect it isn't considered cost effective. Most people only know our Thomas from She Blinded Me With Science... Plus, it's quite obvious from all the mangling of the original album to its current state on CD that the label execs figure they know FAR better than the performer how his music should be played... it's really sad that artists have had to play these games with record companies to get exposure... Regarding providing copies of my "reworking"... I'm just not sure how comfortable I am with that. I feel fairly confident everyone here owns the album and like me may have bought it several times over... however, with the RIAA prowling around like a roaring lion, seeking whom they may devour, I'm afraid even a few free copies shared among friends might bring the wrath of the suits down on me. Most of the songs are available commercially, between TGAoW, 12x12 and as someone else pointed out on the Retrospectacle. All three are available for reasonable prices at Amazon.com. If someone could point us towards a British supplier that might be able to find us copies of the full-length version of Airwaves (which I understand IS on CD in the U.K.) and copies of TWoTF, that would be wonderful. Otherwise, I know for a fact the songs are on WinMX, if you're willing to go that route. I don't know what kind of control Dolby has over his own recordings; labels typically have you sign away your right arm. However, if he could wrestle these recordings away from the labels long enough to create this kind of compilation, it shouldn't be TOO expensive to burn a limited number of copies and sell them for $15 or $20 and make a tidy profit. I know I'd buy one, partly just on principle and also figuring his sources would likely be better than mine... plus it would be our first digital copy of Wreck from the master tapes! *SIGH* I'm sure I'm just dreaming... So, back to my original question... what order do you think makes the most since for the complete Golden Age? Gene Savage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:46:23 +0000 From: "L. U." Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #185 Mudwrestling? You wish! Here's a translation (bearing in mind that my Finnish is not what it was, and half of the characters are garbled - if I make mistakes, don't yell at me!) Perverssejd webbisarjakuvia kieroutuneille ihmisille: Sexylosers (On se niin mukavaa kun voi samaistua johonkin.) Ghastly (Svpvjd lonkeromonstereita.) Ndmd ovat kaksi ehdotonta suosikkiani. Suosittelen lukemaan molemmat aivan alusta ldhtien, silld ne ovat juonellisesti etenevid (itseasiassa niissd etenee moniakin juonia pddllekkdin). Molemmat pdivittyvdt enemmdn tai vdhemmdn sddnnvllisesti noin kerrran viikossa. "Perverse web comics for people on the move: Sexylosers (It's so great to be able to identify with something) Ghastly (cute gin and tonic(?) monsters) These are my two favourites. I recommend reading them both right from the start as the storylines follow on from each other (as a matter of fact there are many storylines happening at the sametime). Both of them are updated more or less regularly on a weekly basis." There you go. I knew learning Finnish would come in handy one day! Lissu :-) >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:56:27 -0700 >From: "Crackers" >Subject: Alloy: Can anyone read this? > >Found a little something in my ref-stats for my webpage. Followed the link >and it seems to be something mentioning my comic strip and Sexy Losers but I >have no idea what it says. > >Can anyone here on Alloy read this? I have no idea what language it even is. >Bablefish didn't seem to help much. > > >Perverssejd webbisarjakuvia kieroutuneille ihmisille: >Sexylosers (On se niin mukavaa kun voi samaistua johonkin.) >Ghastly (Svpvjd lonkeromonstereita.) >Ndmd ovat kaksi ehdotonta suosikkiani. Suosittelen lukemaan molemmat aivan >alusta ldhtien, silld ne ovat juonellisesti etenevid (itseasiassa niissd >etenee moniakin juonia pddllekkdin). Molemmat pdivittyvdt enemmdn tai >vdhemmdn sddnnvllisesti noin kerrran viikossa. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster Here are my blurry, 3am thoughts on your list. Your milage may vary. Not to be used as a floatation device. Take with food. > She Blinded Me With Science (U.S. mix) The longer mix of "Science" never worked for me, for some reason. This song plays better as a short, quick, mad romp through the asylum. > Flying North (possibly extended mix) On the other other hand, I like the "high altitude" mix... it becomes downright ethereal and stratospheric during the bridge. > Weightless > Europa And The Pirate Twins (possibly extended mix) A bit redundant, but overall a good remix of Europa. > Commercial Breakup > Windpower (possibly extended mix) This is also a fairly good extended version. More John Marsh! > Lepzig > The Wreck Of The Fairchild > Urges > One Of Our Submarines (possibly extended mix) I'm not sure about the longer version of "Subs"...it also seems a little repetative to me... maybe it's just the longer intro that slows the song down. > Airwaves (full version) > Radio Silence ("rock" version) > Cloudburst On Shingle Street I must submit that the original "Wireless" sequence of Fairchild/Airwaves/Radio Silence (synth version) still stands as the definitive one. The songs segue into each other quite well, and I feel they always were meant to do so. Getting a clean copy of "Fairchild" would indeed involve getting a rip from the vinyl and cleaning it up with some editing software. Hopefully, it will turn up in some future Thomas Dolby box set and spare us the trouble. :) Meanwhile, my attempt at making such a CD would probably follow the sequence from my (very old and worn) homemade cassette, which is more chronological: Urges/Leipzig original "Wireless" in original order Science/Submarines I might even throw in "Jungle Line/Urban Tribal" at the beginning for the sake of completeness. BC - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:50:47 -0300 From: "Paulo" Subject: Alloy: Urges Hello Graham You can find the song Urges (and the b-side Lipzig) in the RETROSPECTACLE CD (a compilation by EMI). It's easy to find this cd. Paulo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "graham stuart" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster > > Gene > > would it be possible to get a cd copy of this wehn you are done? > i dont have urges leipzig, or the wreck + others > > let me know if you could do this!!! > > thanks > > graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:58:56 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 10:38 am, Gene Savage wrote: > As far as I know, you are correct in saying that TWoTF has never been > issued on CD... much to my disappointment. I don't get it. I like the song. Anyone know why it wasn't included? > About 10 years later, I bought the CD which gave me CD quality but the > "cheese" version of Radio Silence (any fans of the lite version, forgive > me). You are forgiven. It was the first version I heard. I didn't hear the rock one until recently. I think the pop version was mixed by Daniel Miller. Though I can't check at the moment. > Around the same time I picked up The Flat Earth & Aliens Ate My Buick > (Dolby's "Requiem," in my opinion; sheer genius!) Requiem? Not the word that springs to mind when I listen to Aliens... I must be missing something. > If someone could point us towards a British supplier that might be able to > find us copies of the full-length version of Airwaves (which I understand > IS on CD in the U.K.) I think the version I have is the full length version. It's longer than the edit on Retrospecticle. If there is a longer maxi release or something I don't know about it. Personally it's perfect like this. I can't listen to the edit. Sounds like it's been neutered in comparison. > and copies of TWoTF, that would be wonderful. > Otherwise, I know for a fact the songs are on WinMX, if you're willing to > go that route. I would for Wreck... if it wasn't for AG. Personally, regardless of what anyone else might think, I won't pay $50-70 or more for a second hand copy of the first release for the one song. Especially when I've already bought the album. > I don't know what kind of control Dolby has over his own recordings; labels > typically have you sign away your right arm. However, if he could wrestle > these recordings away from the labels long enough to create this kind of > compilation, it shouldn't be TOO expensive to burn a limited number of > copies and sell them for $15 or $20 and make a tidy profit. I know I'd buy > one, partly just on principle and also figuring his sources would likely be > better than mine... plus it would be our first digital copy of Wreck from > the master tapes! > *SIGH* I'm sure I'm just dreaming... Yes. These recordings are owned by EMI aren't they? IF they thought the artist could get control of the material they'd probably plan to kill him if they thought they could get away with him. > So, back to my original question... what order do you think makes the most > since for the complete Golden Age? No idea. I'd need to have access to my Dolby collection from here to work up a tracklisting. Which I don't. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:07:10 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 11:49 am, Brian Clayton wrote: > Here are my blurry, 3am thoughts on your list. Your milage may vary. Not > to be used as a floatation device. Take with food. How many fingers am I holding up? > > She Blinded Me With Science (U.S. mix) > The longer mix of "Science" never worked for me, for some reason. This > song plays better as a short, quick, mad romp through the asylum. I've kinda found many 80s extended mixes to be disjointed and uncomfortable. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:15:11 -0300 From: "Paulo" Subject: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX Hello: Please, can you help with this enquire: I just knew 3 versions of SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE: 1 - LIVE VERSION 2 - EXTENDED VERSION (on 12x12 or in blinded by science EP) 3 - ALBUM VERSION (on TGAOW) What's this US mix of SBMWS you mentioned ?? Is it too different from the "standard" or the "extended" version? What's the main difference ? The american TGAOW is the one with the yellow cover with Thomas in the center of a stage??? Thanks Paulo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Savage" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? > PRAEst76, > As far as I know, you are correct in saying that TWoTF has never been issued > on CD... much to my disappointment. > May I now make a confession to the group? I have never even SEEN the > recording in any shape form or fashion. 20 years ago (yikes!) I bought the > vinyl version of TGAoW which gave me the U.S. mix of SBMWS (the version I > prefer because of those cool synth drums at the end!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:35:44 -0300 From: "Paulo" Subject: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE Hello: Please, just another enquire: About RADIO SILENCE: The brazilian pressing of TGAOW included what I would call synth-pop version. Concerning the ROCK VERSION you mentioned: Is it a different recording or a different mix of the original song ? This ROCK VERSION is on the US TGAOW vinyl, isn't ?? Is this the one with the yellow cover with Thomas standing on the center of a satge ?? Thanks Paulo - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Savage" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? >> PRAEst76, > May I now make a confession to the group? I have never even SEEN the > recording in any shape form or fashion. 20 years ago (yikes!) I bought the > vinyl version of TGAoW which gave me the U.S. mix of SBMWS (the version I > prefer because of those cool synth drums at the end!), an edited version of > Airwaves (which I didn't know until about the last month!) and the "rock" > version of radio silence. > About 10 years later, I bought the CD which gave me CD quality but the > "cheese" version of Radio Silence (any fans of the lite version, forgive > me). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:06:06 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 12:15 pm, Paulo wrote: > The american TGAOW is the one with the yellow cover with Thomas in the > center of a stage??? I think so, mine has the Pulp magazine 'scientist' cover and it's the UK edition. Lazlo's discography Machine has such infos: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:14:29 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX I don't think we ever got the GAOW with the "center stage" photo art (at least not that I remember!)... only the one with the science magazine illustration & man in wheelchair in the distant background. I had thought the center stage photo version was released in the UK. For some reason I am very nostalgic today and wish I were visiting in the UK again. I think it's because of an article I read yesterday about magpies. ~sigh~ xxx ~R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:28:42 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 2:14 pm, Robin Thurlow wrote: > For some reason I am very nostalgic today and wish I were visiting in the > UK again. I think it's because of an article I read yesterday about > magpies. The birds or the crap TV show? You don't have them in the states? The kids around here shoot them with pellet guns. Rumours have been spread about them being unlucky and the only way to negate the bad luck is to kill them. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:38:44 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Can anyone read this? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crackers" "Reinforced pelvis" - good band name - -Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:44:16 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX magpies = the birds... I didn't know there was a crap tv show too. No magpies in the states, unfortunately. Did you know that birds in the magpie family can recognise specific individual humans even in crowds, and will often exact vengeance for cruel treatment? It's a great cure for bad luck, I hear, if you happen to see a wild magpie plucking hairs from the heads of cruel children. xxx ~R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:37:25 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE At 04:35 AM 9/12/2002, Paulo wrote: >About RADIO SILENCE: > >The brazilian pressing of TGAOW included what I would call synth-pop >version. > >Concerning the ROCK VERSION you mentioned: Is it a different recording or a >different mix of the original song ? totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, lene lovich instead of akiko yano. >This ROCK VERSION is on the US TGAOW vinyl, isn't ?? Is this the one with >the yellow cover with Thomas standing on the center of a satge ?? yes it's on that release. - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:45:01 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Wreck Of The Fairchild On CD? At 03:58 AM 9/12/2002, PRAEst76 wrote: >You are forgiven. It was the first version I heard. I didn't hear the rock >one >until recently. I think the pop version was mixed by Daniel Miller. Though I >can't check at the moment. my cd says TMDR + Daniel Miller. [Airwaves] >I think the version I have is the full length version. It's longer than the >edit on Retrospecticle. If there is a longer maxi release or something I >don't know about it. Personally it's perfect like this. I can't listen to the >edit. Sounds like it's been neutered in comparison. funny, my canadian buddy grew up hearing the edit and he doesn't like the long one. (i love the long one.) - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:24:28 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE on 12/9/02 5:37 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, lene > lovich instead of akiko yano. Which version has Lene? 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:29:07 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX on 12/9/02 2:28 PM, PRAEst76 at praest76@cancellation.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > The birds or the crap TV show? Excuse me! It wasn't crap. Lene made her first UK TV appearance on that show with Lucky Number. Pity I didn't have a video recorder then but I did see it later when Nigel Neat showed it to me in the Stiff office. I'd love to get hold of that video. 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:30:45 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: She Blinded Me With Science US MIX on 12/9/02 2:14 PM, Robin Thurlow at rthurlow@binghamton.edu wrote: > I don't think we ever got the GAOW with the "center stage" photo art (at > least not that I remember!)... only the one with the science magazine > illustration & man in wheelchair in the distant background. I had thought > the center stage photo version was released in the UK. Am I right in thinking the guy in the wheelchair was Tom? Either that or it was someone famous who I can't remember the name of. 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:38:37 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE At 10:24 AM 9/12/2002, Chris Good wrote: >on 12/9/02 5:37 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > > > totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, lene > > lovich instead of akiko yano. > >Which version has Lene? the guitar one. she says "try to think of nothing" in the middle section. - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:59 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE on 12/9/02 6:38 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > > At 10:24 AM 9/12/2002, Chris Good wrote: > >> on 12/9/02 5:37 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: >> >>> totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, lene >>> lovich instead of akiko yano. >> >> Which version has Lene? > > the guitar one. she says "try to think of nothing" in the middle section. > > -jsd- > Which LP version? I've got UK, US and Jap versions. 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:12:36 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE At 10:50 AM 9/12/2002, Chris Good wrote: >on 12/9/02 6:38 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > > At 10:24 AM 9/12/2002, Chris Good wrote: > >> on 12/9/02 5:37 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > >> > >>> totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, > lene > >>> lovich instead of akiko yano. > >> > >> Which version has Lene? > > > > the guitar one. she says "try to think of nothing" in the middle section. > >Which LP version? I've got UK, US and Jap versions. it may be on all or none of those depending which particular releases you have. really, just listen to it. it's totally obvious which version is which. the guitar one starts with a blast of guitars and real drums. the synth version starts with radio tuning and a synth bassline. - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:22:53 +0100 From: "Philip P Woodcock" Subject: RE: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE I always thought Lene said 'do i do think or not think'... In the UK BOTH versions of 'Radio Silence' were released. The Rock version was on the B side of the single. As for my running order of the TGaOW, I recently restored my original vinyl copy to cd and added the other related song in this order... Flying North (original album track sequence) Commercial Breakup Weightless Europa Windpower The Wreck Of The Fairchild Airwaves Radio Silence Cloudburst at Shingle Street ... followed after a 20 second pause ... Urban Tribal (kindly donated) Leipzig (original mix) Urges Europa (extended) Leipzig (longer mix segued into...) Therapy Growth (... just as the 12" single did) Radio Silence (version)(the Rock one is just called 'version' on the single) She Blinded Me With Science One Of Our Submarines I've always wondered what people outside of the UK think of the 'Shipping Forecast' at the end of Windpower. Personally I've always thought it one of the most comforting sounds in the world. The current main reader Andy Rushton is nearly as good as the great John Marsh. He did the same reading for Tears For Fears for their weird 'rule the world mix' and 'Pharoahs' (obviously a pun on the shipping area Faeroes). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Chris Good Sent: 12 September 2002 18:51 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE on 12/9/02 6:38 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: > > At 10:24 AM 9/12/2002, Chris Good wrote: > >> on 12/9/02 5:37 PM, Jon Drukman at jsd@cluttered.com wrote: >> >>> totally different recording. lots of guitars, a real live band feel, lene >>> lovich instead of akiko yano. >> >> Which version has Lene? > > the guitar one. she says "try to think of nothing" in the middle section. > > -jsd- > Which LP version? I've got UK, US and Jap versions. 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:50:51 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: RE: Alloy: RADIO SILENCE At 11:22 AM 9/12/2002, Philip P Woodcock wrote: >I always thought Lene said 'do i do think or not think'... i'm looking at my vinyl copy of the album (Harvest ST-12203) right now and it says "Try to think of nothing". Lene is credited with "mantra" btw. oddly enough, out of curiosity i just checked my CD copy (Capital 46009) and it also has that line in the booklet, although it is not present in the song. the musicians and production credits are correct though. >In the UK BOTH versions of 'Radio Silence' were released. The Rock version >was on the B side of the single. in the US the rock version was on the Harvest vinyl release, and then all the subsequent vinyl and CD releases had the synth mix. >I've always wondered what people outside of the UK think of the 'Shipping >Forecast' at the end of Windpower. >Personally I've always thought it one of the most comforting sounds in the >world. it sounds cool but it has no special meaning or resonance for me. it's just a "found voice" on a thomas dolby record as far as i'm concerned. :) - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:11:32 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Alloy: The Shipping Forcast On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 7:22 pm, Philip P Woodcock wrote: > I've always wondered what people outside of the UK think of the 'Shipping > Forecast' at the end of Windpower. > Personally I've always thought it one of the most comforting sounds in the > world. Indeed. I actually know people who listen to it last thing at night because it helps them relax. I should do it myself. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/shipping.shtml It's the closest thing to being back in the womb really and a lot less sticky... ...Unless you are Fran from Black Books of course. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:51:33 -0500 From: "Andrea Curry" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Shipping Forcast I personally had no idea what it was. It sounded like a weather report, but not quite. Thanks for enlightening this USA girl. :> - -Andrea. On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:11:32 +0100 PRAEst76 wrote: > > On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 7:22 pm, Philip P Woodcock wrote: > > > I've always wondered what people outside of the UK think of the > 'Shipping > > Forecast' at the end of Windpower. > > Personally I've always thought it one of the most comforting sounds > in the > > world. > > Indeed. I actually know people who listen to it last thing at night > because it > helps them relax. I should do it myself. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/shipping.shtml > > It's the closest thing to being back in the womb really and a lot > less > sticky... > > ...Unless you are Fran from Black Books of course. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:43:03 +0100 From: "Blagg&Norling" Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster PRAEst76 wrote: > I've kinda found many 80s extended mixes to be disjointed and uncomfortable. > Me too! however I did like the One of our Subs remix as that "bye bye empire" chorous line is repeated more than on the album version. This really makes the song for me. Trevor..... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster > > On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 11:49 am, Brian Clayton wrote: > > > Here are my blurry, 3am thoughts on your list. Your milage may vary. Not > > to be used as a floatation device. Take with food. > > > > How many fingers am I holding up? > > > > She Blinded Me With Science (U.S. mix) > > > The longer mix of "Science" never worked for me, for some reason. This > > song plays better as a short, quick, mad romp through the asylum. > > I've kinda found many 80s extended mixes to be disjointed and uncomfortable. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:38:51 +0100 From: "Blagg&Norling" Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster Brian wrote: > I might even throw in "Jungle Line/Urban Tribal" at the beginning for > the sake of completeness. > > BC > And possibly New Toy? Trevor...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Clayton" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: Long Time Listener, First Time Poster > > Here are my blurry, 3am thoughts on your list. Your milage may vary. Not > to be used as a floatation device. Take with food. > > > She Blinded Me With Science (U.S. mix) > > The longer mix of "Science" never worked for me, for some reason. This > song plays better as a short, quick, mad romp through the asylum. > > > Flying North (possibly extended mix) > > On the other other hand, I like the "high altitude" mix... it becomes > downright ethereal and stratospheric during the bridge. > > > Weightless > > Europa And The Pirate Twins (possibly extended mix) > > A bit redundant, but overall a good remix of Europa. > > > Commercial Breakup > > Windpower (possibly extended mix) > > This is also a fairly good extended version. More John Marsh! > > > Lepzig > > The Wreck Of The Fairchild > > Urges > > One Of Our Submarines (possibly extended mix) > > I'm not sure about the longer version of "Subs"...it also seems a little > repetative to me... maybe it's just the longer intro that slows the song > down. > > > Airwaves (full version) > > Radio Silence ("rock" version) > > Cloudburst On Shingle Street > > I must submit that the original "Wireless" sequence of > Fairchild/Airwaves/Radio Silence (synth version) still stands as the > definitive one. The songs segue into each other quite well, and I feel > they always were meant to do so. > > Getting a clean copy of "Fairchild" would indeed involve getting a rip > from the vinyl and cleaning it up with some editing software. Hopefully, > it will turn up in some future Thomas Dolby box set and spare us the > trouble. :) > > Meanwhile, my attempt at making such a CD would probably follow the > sequence from my (very old and worn) homemade cassette, which is more > chronological: > > Urges/Leipzig > original "Wireless" in original order > Science/Submarines > > I might even throw in "Jungle Line/Urban Tribal" at the beginning for > the sake of completeness. > > BC > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:55:52 +0100 From: "Blagg&Norling" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Shipping Forcast > PRAEst76 wrote: Re:> Forecast' at the end of Windpower. > Indeed. I actually know people who listen to it last thing at night because it > helps them relax. I should do it myself. > Even if it was a bloody hurricane warning? Trevor... P.S. My wife get's anoyed with me always before I sleep as I have to have my music fix in order to allow me to visit the land of nod. Even something uplifting, it doesn't matter, it just helps me to de-stress. I'm presently listening to Sugababes (I don't like R&B as a rule, but this is something different). These very talented girls are just over half my age.....It's almost perverse. They certainly help me dream easy at night... Goodnight. Trevor.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" To: Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: Alloy: The Shipping Forcast > > On Thursday 12 Sep 2002 7:22 pm, Philip P Woodcock wrote: > > > I've always wondered what people outside of the UK think of the 'Shipping > > Forecast' at the end of Windpower. > > Personally I've always thought it one of the most comforting sounds in the > > world. > > Indeed. I actually know people who listen to it last thing at night because it > helps them relax. I should do it myself. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/shipping.shtml > > It's the closest thing to being back in the womb really and a lot less > sticky... > > ...Unless you are Fran from Black Books of course. > > -- > PRAEst76 > http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:38:46 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: The Shipping Forcast On Friday, September 13, 2002, at 05:11 am, PRAEst76 wrote: > Indeed. I actually know people who listen to it last thing at night > because it > helps them relax. I should do it myself. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/shipping.shtml Thanks PRAEst76, was trying to find that link just the other day, must have a listen tonight (or is it only on at certain times? I know, I know, 'check the page already...' :-) I too find it comforting/soothing for some reason. Really liked it when I finally got the version that has more of the forecast than the version on TGAoW (12x12 maybe? At work, need coffee, brain concentrating on shiny pretty lights in the server room...it's so easily amused) I also think the forecasts at the end of Screen Kiss are nice too. Also interesting looking up the places mentioned. P. This message powered by West Eleven Genius/Icehouse off Bi-polar poems. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V7 #186 ***************************