From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V7 #165 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, August 17 2002 Volume 07 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: OT: Network Solutions/Evil Dead - A Follow-Up [William Steffey] Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) ["Tony Christy" ] Re: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) [PRAEst76 ] Alloy: Special Taliban Unsubscribe [possibly offensive link?] [PRAEst76 <] RE: Alloy: ads reply ["Robin Thurlow" ] Alloy: Outcast? [PRAEst76 ] Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) ["Crackers" ] Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) ["Crackers" ] Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. ["Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Network Solutions/Evil Dead - A Follow-Up I've done a good amount of webdesign over the past five years, and I must say Network Solutions is far and away the most difficult company to work with. The inspiration for their online forms must have come from the movie Brazil. Then you have to fax them your drivers license and copies of your DNA to verify your identity. But seriously folks, EVERY time I have to call and have them manually change the info. When I moved to my new apartment I needed them to change my home address, and the guy on the phone actually wasn't able to do it! He said I had to fill out a bunch more forms. I told him to forget it. Ok. I'm done. - -William Merujo wrote: >I finally figured out how to get Network Solutions to respond to a >customer service request they have ignored for a year. Send them faxes >of your long-ignored request continuously for a couple of hours to each >of their two customer request fax numbers until they call you and beg >you to stop. Then, your request is magically processed and you can free >yourself of evil. (insert defiant evil grin here) > >Free at last, > >Melissa "Took a long lunch at the fax machine today" Jordan > >-- >Melissa R. Jordan > >Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. >And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:33:28 +0000 From: "Tony Christy" Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) Helllllllllppppppp...... how do I unsusbscribe to alloy?...I've been back to the site and followed the instruciotnbs but these msgs STILL keep coming! Heeeeeeeeelllllllllpppppp! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2002 08:33:01 -0000 From: "Daniel Swan" Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE TALIBAN ............................................................................. "And if you want to Swan, one to one... kid, we don't need a pond." -Prefab Sprout ............................................................................. > -----Original Message----- > From: "Tony Christy" > To: alloy@smoe.org > Sent: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:33:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) > > > Helllllllllppppppp...... how do I unsusbscribe to alloy?...I've been back to > > the site and followed the instruciotnbs but these msgs STILL keep coming! > Heeeeeeeeelllllllllpppppp! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ______________________________________________________________________ Get Your Own Private, Free Email Account at http://www.dotcomemail.com Now With Over 1,500 Com, Net, and Org Domains to Choose From! ______________________________________________________________________ ****** Try the Ultimate Search Engine at http://www.torpedo.com ****** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:08:36 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) Daniel Swan said... > DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE TALIBAN Why? Would only the Taliban want to unsubscribe from alloy? - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: Ministry - Just One Fix ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:10 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) Daniel Swan wrote: > DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE TALIBAN ??? What does this mean? Did I miss something in this gentleman's post, or did he do something to deserve that odd comment? Confused (and I would have found that comment jarring had I been the person trying to unsub), Melissa J. - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:47:40 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Alloy: Special Taliban Unsubscribe [possibly offensive link?] Merujo said... > > DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE TALIBAN > ??? What does this mean? Did I miss something in this gentleman's post, or > did he do something to deserve that odd comment? http://www.talibanreunited.com/ - Just been sent this... > Confused (and I would have found that comment jarring had I been the person > trying to unsub), I found it a bit jarring and I wasn't trying to unsub. It's kinda common to have a one line link added to the bottom of the messages telling people how to unscubcscribe or you end up with lots of UNSUBSCRIBE messages sent to the list... at least I've seen such elsewhere. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: Coil - Panic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:24:59 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: ads reply - -----Original Message----- From: PRAEst76 Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 4:14 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: ads reply ::In the end you give up, or you don't even start. You keep your head down, you do what you are told, you go with the flow. Otherwise you become and outcast, which isn't a pleasant life for most people and not worth it. :: But, even as an "outcast", if you're doing something you believe in and feels right for you, and you feel is an inborn part of you, then I think it is definitely worth it. There isn't even really an outcast sort of feeling to it though, because there is always a sense of community amongst friends who have the same interests. Maintaining a code of good manners toward others, following dress codes at work and so on, are important for healthy relations (and paying the bills!) but shouldn't mean a person would have to alter their private life or interests. General society definitely frowns on many of the honest interests some of us have, but speaking from personal feelings, I only hope the "average" person feels as passionately about their own interests as we outcasts do about ours. There are many things making it worth the trouble. :) ~R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:52:06 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Alloy: Outcast? Robin Thurlow said... > ::In the end you give up, or you don't even start. You keep your head down, > you do > what you are told, you go with the flow. Otherwise you become and outcast, > which isn't a pleasant life for most people and not worth it. :: > > > But, even as an "outcast", if you're doing something you believe in and > feels right for you, and you feel is an inborn part of you, then I think it > is definitely worth it. It is, if you get there, if you don't give up. Most do. Such a lifestyle isn't advised in society. It's too awkward. This is why i think so many people are unhappy. Peopel have destinys. A natural direction they should head in, but because it takes them off 'the beaten path' many fight it, or stick with the simple route. Square pegs sitting in round holes. So they are unhappy, tense, irritable. They grow up twisted, spread illfeeling and selishness... a few snap. If people where encouraged to go where their natural tendencies will take them the world would be a far better place. (though some peopel have weird natural tendencies, I'm not sure how they fit into this theory, maybe that's the hole in my argument.) - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:23:56 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" To: Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) > > Daniel Swan said... > > Crackers? What does that mean? > > Isn't it US slang for a white person who pretends to be black? I believe the term you're looking for is "wigger". There's also the white person who pretends to be asian, called a "wink". "Cracker" used to be a slang term for anyone from Georgia, then it became a slang term for anyone from the southern US, now it's just a slang term for "red neck". Crackers (Non-redneck from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:25:15 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: Stop Drop and Roll (OT) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Krzysko" > This is a warning to all accordion players and Crackers in particular. > Please see... Ouch! Talk about playing some hot licks. I can see the carboard bellows going up pretty easily. Crackers (Great Polkas of Fire from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:35:50 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bbaggins.mov I think it broke my mind. And here we thought Thomas was a video innovator. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:54:42 -0400 From: "Melissa Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. That was frightening. Although, musically, is it no worse than the nightmare "Rank and Bass" tv cartoon Lord of the Rings, with the ballad of "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" and the happy orc tune "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way." >>> bcracknell@sympatico.ca 08/16/02 04:35PM >>> http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bbaggins.mov I think it broke my mind. And here we thought Thomas was a video innovator. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:07:23 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: U.S. Congressmen Want to Stop Online Song-Swapping The more restrictive the entertainment industry tries to make their "product" the more people are going to rebel against it. When it was annouced the RIAA is now trying to buy laws to make it legal for them to hack your computer simply because they suspect you may possibly have copyrighted materials, their website was immediately DOSed into oblivion. The best method for combating the RIAA is to simply stop buying from the 5 big companies that control over 90% of all published music. Stop buying anyone published by Sony, EMI, BMG, UMG, and Time-Warner. Start buying only from self publishing artists (like Thomas' "Forty" album). The RIAA is not out to protect the interests of musicians despite the spin they put on their actions. The RIAA is only out to protect the Big Five record companies and their interests. For the Big Five, it is much cheaper and easier in the short term to try to buy laws to crush technology and particularily technology that benefits independent artists than it is to adapt to such changes that new technology brings. Since the birth of the wax cylindar the companies that produce and distribute recorded music have been able to get away with exploiting artists in any way they desired. They were also able to get away with telling the public what music they're supposed to buy. Technology has changed that. Technology has given artists the power to record and produce their own works, to promote their own works and to distribute their own works. Getting signed by one of the Big Five or a label owned by them is no longer the prize it once was. Most artists who get signed by a major label end up getting completely screwed out of their royalties. This is what the RIAA is fighting for. The RIAA is fighting for it's "right" to continue to exploit artists. The fact that they're able to convince politicians and the public that they're looking out for the rights of the artists simply shows how effective their lies are. If you doubt that the RIAA is only interested in purpetuating the system that screws artists you have only to look no further than a little line they bribed into a bill that robs artists of the copyright to their own works. It used to be that after 35 years the copyright for an album would revert back to the artist. The RIAA bribed a clerk to have a little line added to a bill, completely unrelated to music copyright, that made all albums "work for hire" and thus granted the record company ownership of the copyright for the entire term of the copyright. The RIAA snuck a little addendum to the Home Satelite Viewing Act that completly screws artists and benefits record companies. This proves that the RIAA has no interest in protecting any of the rights of artists. If you want to stop the RIAA the answer is simple. Stop buying what they're selling. There are so many talented musicians who are self publishing (*cough*Thomas's "Forty" CD*cough*) that you'll have no shortage of entertainment to buy. Of course it'll only be a matter of time until the RIAA buys laws that make it illegal to self publish or laws, like they have here in Canada, that require self publishing artists to pay the RIAA (or CRIA as it is known in Canada) 29 cents (soon to be 53 cents) for each CD unit they self produce. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:01:57 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. That Nimoy video has touched me in a strange and uncomfortable way. Can you point me to any more like it? Also- I think I saw "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" on a Eurythmics compilation somewhere. I could be wrong. - -B Melissa Jordan wrote: >That was frightening. > >Although, musically, is it no worse than the nightmare "Rank and Bass" tv cartoon Lord of the Rings, with the ballad of "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" and the happy orc tune "Where There's a Whip, There's a Way." > >>>>bcracknell@sympatico.ca 08/16/02 04:35PM >>> >>>> > >http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bbaggins.mov > >I think it broke my mind. And here we thought Thomas was a video innovator. > >Crackers > >Ghastly's Ghastly Comic >http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, William Steffey wrote: > That Nimoy video has touched me in a strange and uncomfortable way. Can > you point me to any more like it? These aren't videos, but here's a URL for Rocky Horror songs in every language imaginable: http://www.rockymusic.org/sounds/mp3-view.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:30:40 -0400 From: "Melissa Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. Oh dear god. Janet was never meant to sing "Touch-a touch-a touch-a touch me" in Norwegian. It's not right. >>> elaine@qnet.com 08/16/02 02:25PM >>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, William Steffey wrote: > That Nimoy video has touched me in a strange and uncomfortable way. Can > you point me to any more like it? These aren't videos, but here's a URL for Rocky Horror songs in every language imaginable: http://www.rockymusic.org/sounds/mp3-view.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. LOL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:09:17 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: U.S. Congressmen Want to Stop Online Song-Swapping Crackers said... > Of course it'll only be a matter of time until the RIAA buys laws that make > it illegal to self publish or laws, like they have here in Canada, that > require self publishing artists to pay the RIAA (or CRIA as it is known in > Canada) 29 cents (soon to be 53 cents) for each CD unit they self produce. Uh? So if I lived in Canada and I made an album and self-published it I would have to pay the CRIA 29c? How do they get it? - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ np: O.M.D. - She's Leaving ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Crackers wrote: > http://www.tolkiencollector.com/bbaggins.mov > > I think it broke my mind. And here we thought Thomas was a video innovator. Nope, Nimoy was light-years (*ahem*) ahead of them all. I've heard about this video clip for years. I had hoped I'd get through life without actually seeing it. *shudder* Somewhere (I try not remember where) I have a stack of Nimoy's albums, bestowed upon me by some twisted friend who found them at a garage sale, which have even stranger songs on them. BC - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:20:44 +0100 From: "Sally Allan" Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. > That Nimoy video has touched me in a strange and uncomfortable way. That wasn't the video, that was Vulcan sexual harrassment. Here's another example of Mr Nimoy's "talent". I think the "endless patience" bit would apply to anyone who had to sit through one of his albums: http://free.bluemountain.com/eng/nimoy/Lnimoy202.html I know. I have a friend who owns one *and puts it on when I visit*. My husband encourages her to do this. You haven't experienced passive aggression until someone has made you sit through Nimoy's version of "If I were a carpenter".... Sally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:40:13 +0100 From: Peter Adams Subject: Alloy: Fwd: Returned mail: Delivery failed - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Returned mail: Delivery failed Date: 16 Aug 2002 19:08:03 -0000 From: admin@callisto.nitronet.net To: PRAEst76 The attempted delivery of "Re: Alloy: U.S. Congressmen Want to Stop Online Song-Swapping" failed for the following reason: 555 ... User mailbox full alloy@smoe.org (LOCKFILE 5002.0888671875:5000) - ------------------------------------------------------- Whoops? - -- Peter np: 04%20-%20Diminish%20Me.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:17:20 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: I... I just don't know what to say. You must be right. That poem looks like simple words... but there's defintely something deep and strange going on there, too. I don't feel good... must... find... garage sale... - -W Sally Allan wrote: >>That Nimoy video has touched me in a strange and uncomfortable way. >> > >That wasn't the video, that was Vulcan sexual harrassment. Here's another >example of Mr Nimoy's "talent". I think the "endless patience" bit would >apply to anyone who had to sit through one of his albums: > >http://free.bluemountain.com/eng/nimoy/Lnimoy202.html > >I know. I have a friend who owns one *and puts it on when I visit*. My >husband encourages her to do this. You haven't experienced passive >aggression until someone has made you sit through Nimoy's version of "If I >were a carpenter".... > >Sally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:05:09 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Special Taliban Unsubscribe [possibly offensive link?] >>> DO YOU THINK YOU ARE THE TALIBAN > >> ??? What does this mean? Did I miss something in this gentleman's >> post, or >> did he do something to deserve that odd comment? > > http://www.talibanreunited.com/ - Just been sent this... Sick! And I don't mean that in the hip teenager speak way. I mean I tried to read a bit of it with a The Onion mindset but maybe I'm just getting old... >> Confused (and I would have found that comment jarring had I been the >> person >> trying to unsub), > > I found it a bit jarring and I wasn't trying to unsub. Ditto. Maybe Daniel's just trying to get back into the Alloy groove and purge the last remnants of a plastic ghost. > It's kinda common to have a one line link added to the bottom of the > messages > telling people how to unscubcscribe or you end up with lots of > UNSUBSCRIBE > messages sent to the list... at least I've seen such elsewhere. The instructions are actually attached to every message in a couple of X-To-Unsubscribe header lines. Some email clients show them but all should when you view the message headers. I suspect each digest will have similar. If it's any consolation, I've seen just as many 'how do I un-sub' messages on lists that do have the instructions at the bottom of each message. Looks like Tony figured it out or our fair Robin has already helped him as he doesn't look to be on the list any more. Oh and talking of Alloy groove I think someone mentioned it as a pastime a few days ago. It's not a pastime, it's a lifestyle. :-) Paul. [playing email catchup again] This message powered by Rainbow Connection off the Original Muppet Movie Soundtrack (how the fsck did that get in my playlist!?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:28:02 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: Returned mail: Delivery failed On Saturday, August 17, 2002, at 07:40 am, Peter Adams wrote: > 555 ... User mailbox full alloy@smoe.org (LOCKFILE 5002.0888671875:5000) > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Whoops? If memory serves, last time this happened it was actually caused by a misconfigured subscriber mail server - the person's mailbox was full but the server was sending non-RFC weird@ss bounces to anyone who posted (bounces like this should normally go to Robin.) I think that was the server that caused it last time too. I'll check my archives...