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alloy-digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 07 : Number 137
Today's Subjects:
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Re: Alloy: Anyone from Nigeria on the list? [PRAEst76 <praest76@cancellat]
Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136 ["L. U." <radiogirl@hotmail.com>]
Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. ["Crackers" <bcr]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [Elaine Lins]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. ["Crackers" ]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. ["Melissa Jo]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [PRAEst76 <p]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [William Ste]
Alloy: Temporal mechanics? [Paul Baily <paul@paulbaily.com>]
Alloy: Ahem. [Paul Baily <paul@paulbaily.com>]
Alloy: A new tome with Thomas ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.c]
Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136 ["Sally Allan" <sally.allan@btinterne]
Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136 ["Crackers" <bcracknell@sympatico.ca>]
Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136 [Robin Thurlow <robinthurlow@yahoo.co]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [Kevin Willi]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [Kevin Willi]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [Kevin Willi]
Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness. [Kevin Willi]
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:45:18 +0100
From: PRAEst76 <praest76@cancellation.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Anyone from Nigeria on the list?
jamac sed:
> I forget those area codes, but if you look them up on AT&T's web site,
> you'll find them. I have them at work next to my monitor. I need to bring
> those home.
Seen these spams doing the rounds with a 'removal mechanism that
requires you to call a 'free' US number?
Doesn't matter if it's one of these or not because no US freephone
numbers are free to people outside the US (AFAIK).
Regardless the best removal mechanism for these mails is a good
spamfilter :)
- --
PRAEst76
http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:50:12 +0000
From: "L. U." <radiogirl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136
Hi everyone!Just thought I'd check in, seeing that I've been lurking for
way too long.Lissu here in France,...weather - also too damned hot (33C
in shade, 45C in the sun, air conditioning bust at work - ACK!) I've been
a bit out of it, what with being made redundant, moving to a new
apartment, starting a short contract just for the summer
(bummer!) etc...but I'm kind of back! As for the spam mail asking me to
call numbers and send millions to Nigeria, yep, had them too, but I find
the ones about herbal viagra and 'barnyard action' far more amusing - do
people really fall for this stuff? okay,...gonna relurk,....and swan off
to watch my newly purchased video of Rockula (heh!) Lissu :-)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:44:01 -0700
From: "Crackers" <bcracknell@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
Ah! So now it's a conspiracey against him because he's a black artist who
has sold more than Elvis.
You know, Michael could have really used his position to bring real
attention to the way Sony and other RIAA labels royally screw *all* artists.
Does he point out the shady accounting and business practices of the
recording industry that not only rob artists of their royalties but leave
them millions of dollars in debt despite the fact they had hit selling
albums? Does he point out how the RIAA played a little backdoor shenanigans
to get a line added to a bill completely unrelated to the music industry
that robs artists of their copyrights to their own damn music making them
the permanent property of the label? No. He plays the every so tired "race
card".
What ever shred of credibility he might have still possessed has just flown
out the window. He's reduced the entire thing into a publicity stunt to
generate media sensationalism in the hopes of being able to sell more copies
of a mediocre album. Way to go buddy!
If it wasn't for the fact that a perfect opportunity to bring to the
public's attention just how corrupt the recording industry is has just been
shot down in flames it would be funny for nothing other than watching
attention whore millioneirs Al Sharpton and Johnny Cochran standing next to
Michael Jackson, of all people, lamenting as to how it is that the black man
can't get a break.
I think Michael had amassed more than enough power that if he really felt
Sony was a racist corporation he could have easily started his own damn
label dedicated to promoting black talent. Believe me, Sony isn't a racist
corporation. They'll screw you no matter what colour you are. They're an
equal opportunity exploiter.
Crackers
(Freakin' bozo from hell!!!!!!)
Ghastly's Ghastly Comic
http://ghastly.keenspace.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elaine Linstruth <elaine@qnet.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
Crackers, I totally agree with everything you said and I'll add even more:
if MJ defaults on whatever loans he has with Sony for the creation of this
dismal album (feeding his extravagant lifestyle, whatever he spent the
money for), then Sony could conceivably take things MJ used as collateral,
back in the day. Back when he was Bad and Invincible. Among them: the
Beatles library (the rights for which he famously beat McCartney,
correct?). So it seems to me we've got MJ playing the race card in a truly
desperate attempt to stave off Sony, who is perhaps playing extreme
hardball, the likes of which people like us will (hopefully) never
experience. I don't know which is worse. Which of two grubbers
fistfighting over money in the gutter's mud would we consider to be the
more evil? the more pitiful?
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:14:59 -0700
From: "Crackers" <bcracknell@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Linstruth" <elaine@qnet.com>
> Crackers, I totally agree with everything you said and I'll add even more:
> if MJ defaults on whatever loans he has with Sony for the creation of this
> dismal album (feeding his extravagant lifestyle, whatever he spent the
> money for), then Sony could conceivably take things MJ used as collateral,
> back in the day. Back when he was Bad and Invincible. Among them: the
> Beatles library (the rights for which he famously beat McCartney,
> correct?).
Word has it he's borrowed as much as $200 million dollars from Sony in the
form of advances on his last album which has only sold around 2 million
copies (I wish I could sell 2 million copies and be able to consider it a
failure). It's a pretty safe bet that Sony will be able to cook things up so
that no matter how much his album sells that $200M debt will still be there
and you can bet they'll be going after the Beatles' library first. They'll
get him and his little dog-chimp too, but believe me, it has absolutely
nothing to do with the fact that he's black.
Michael alledges that Sony has not spent enough money to promote him. I
don't think it will matter how much money they spend on him his sun has
risen and set. He simply has to accept the fact that he is no longer the
icon that he once was. He had a hell of a ride, far better than most could
ever hope for. Unfortunately, like Elvis, Michael was a performer. He puts
on a hell of a show but ultimately is reliant on other people's talents to
give him something to do. He needs other people's songs. He needs sets,
lighting, big stages, extras. Saddly for him he can't be afforded the quiet
dignity that artists who are songwriters can enjoy. He can't putter around
his own studio creating recordings simply to be enjoyed by himself and a
smaller core of fans who appreciate him as an artist. He doesn't have the
credibility. The best Michael can hope for is to become a parody of himself,
performing at casios in Vegas and Atlantic City just like Elvis in his final
days. He'll still be able to make a good buck doing it and will be able to
live out the rest of his days in comfort.
If he tries so desperately to cling to his status as a pop icon superstar it
will most likely lead to his destruction. He's just not going to be able to
get back on top. It won't happen and he has to accept it. His plastic
surgery stunts no longer shock us, they just make us feel sad. The rumours
of his sexual appetites taint him the same way Jerry Lee Lewis's career was
tainted by his scandelous marrage to his 13 year old cousin. Even though
Micheal paid out a $15-$25m settlement hoping it would make everything go
away it had the opposite effect because in most people's minds innocent
people don't make huge cash settlements to buy silence from civil and
criminal prosecution.
No if anything Michael should be glad that Sony doesn't spend more money
trying to promote him because you know who Sony is going to ultimately come
after to pay the bill when this album goes bust.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if by now Michael has managed to completely
piss away most if not all of his fortune through the sheer extravigance of
his lifestyle of the rich and freakish. Get ready for what will be one of
the weirdest garage sales ever folks.
Crackers
(Hey! These elephant man bones say "Made in Taiwan" from hell!!)
Ghastly's Ghastly Comic
http://ghastly.keenspace.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:11:08 -0400
From: "Melissa Jordan" <Melissa_Jordan@ita.doc.gov>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
>>> bcracknell@sympatico.ca 07/10/02 07:44PM >>>
Ah! So now it's a conspiracey against him because he's a black artist who
has sold more than Elvis.
I saw a photo of him with Al Sharpton today. Both were in profile, and I was so shocked at the continually decaying wreckage of Jackson's face, with his skeletal nose and zinc oxide complexion, that I shuddered. This man is not well on so many levels. I think that there should be *great* concern over the welfare of the two children he had his plastic surgeon's nurse produce for him (a well-paid brood mare.)
I don't know what happened to him in his childhood. Let's face it La Toya has issues, too. But Michael has become the ultimate sideshow attraction. How can he not realize that, by his overt acts of self-mutilation, bizarre fixation on young children, and wackdoodle "I'm the etheral man-child" whoo-whoo nuttiness, no one will take his words seriously (even if his complaints are legitimate and merely unfortunately timed with his failing sales...)
Have any of you seen Men In Black 2 yet? I'm not being non-sequitor. There's a moment in the film that says a lot about Jackson and his place in the universe...
I hope he's setting aside a college fund and a therapy fund for his kids...
- - Melissa
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:18:43 +0100
From: PRAEst76 <praest76@cancellation.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
Crackers sed:
> It's a pretty safe bet that Sony will be able to cook things up so
> that no matter how much his album sells that $200M debt will still be there
> and you can bet they'll be going after the Beatles' library first. They'll
> get him and his little dog-chimp too, but believe me, it has absolutely
> nothing to do with the fact that he's black.
God no... Michael Jackson hasn't been black for twenty years.
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http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/
nothing
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:20:21 -0500
From: William Steffey <wcs@williamsteffey.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
Melissa,
MJs cameo in MIB2 was unreal! It was so defaming, I questioned
momentarily whether or not it was actually him! Goes to show how out of
touch the guy is. "oh! these are my lines? okay!"
William
Melissa Jordan wrote:
>>>>bcracknell@sympatico.ca 07/10/02 07:44PM >>>
>>>>
>
>Ah! So now it's a conspiracey against him because he's a black artist who
>has sold more than Elvis.
>
>I saw a photo of him with Al Sharpton today. Both were in profile, and I was so shocked at the continually decaying wreckage of Jackson's face, with his skeletal nose and zinc oxide complexion, that I shuddered. This man is not well on so many levels. I think that there should be *great* concern over the welfare of the two children he had his plastic surgeon's nurse produce for him (a well-paid brood mare.)
>
>I don't know what happened to him in his childhood. Let's face it La Toya has issues, too. But Michael has become the ultimate sideshow attraction. How can he not realize that, by his overt acts of self-mutilation, bizarre fixation on young children, and wackdoodle "I'm the etheral man-child" whoo-whoo nuttiness, no one will take his words seriously (even if his complaints are legitimate and merely unfortunately timed with his failing sales...)
>
>Have any of you seen Men In Black 2 yet? I'm not being non-sequitor. There's a moment in the film that says a lot about Jackson and his place in the universe...
>
>I hope he's setting aside a college fund and a therapy fund for his kids...
>
>- Melissa
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:27:46 +1000
From: Paul Baily <paul@paulbaily.com>
Subject: Alloy: Temporal mechanics?
Hey Crackers,
Hope you're well!
Might be my imagination (or more likely my email client being too smart
for it's own good), but is your timezone set right? I'm seeing your
messages with dates & times up to two hours ahead of current time. Or
have you been messing with Professor Thinky's time machine again. :-)
cheers,
Paul.
P.S. Ghastly's still a great giggle, keep going dude!
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:31:06 +1000
From: Paul Baily <paul@paulbaily.com>
Subject: Alloy: Ahem.
Hi all,
Meant to send that last message to Crackers off-list. Sorry for the
noise.
P.
[wanders off in search of much-needed clue...]
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:44:44 -0400
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: A new tome with Thomas
Hi Folks,
I was at the local library the other day and noticed a book titled
_All Music Guide to Electronica_ on the new non-fiction shelves.
Being the compulsive person that I am, I flipped to the D section
and, lo and behold, there was an entire page devoted to our dear Mr.
Dolby. And even more amazing, the information was all correct, at
least to my knowledge. If anyone would like, I'll type it up (yes, I
was compulsive enough to photocopy it too!).
Europa
PS Happy belated birthday to the founder of Alloy, Paul Baily!
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:08:45 +0100
From: "Sally Allan" <sally.allan@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136
Lissu sat in the warmth of France and typed:
>As for the spam mail asking me to
> call numbers and send millions to Nigeria, yep, had them too, but I find
> the ones about herbal viagra and 'barnyard action' far more amusing
Recently, I've had the same 'personalised' email about 3 times, presumably
from someone who looked at my email address long enough to get my name but
not long enough to think about it. The mail begins:
"SALLY! Would you like to ENLARGE your penis?"
Maybe they think anything would be an improvement....
Sally
sally.allan@btinternet.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:08:04 -0700
From: "Crackers" <bcracknell@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Allan" <sally.allan@btinternet.com>
> "SALLY! Would you like to ENLARGE your penis?"
> Maybe they think anything would be an improvement....
Yeah those penis enlargement ads have always been a bit of a puzzlement to
me. I already know how to enlarge my penis.
I just start thinking about my wife and I having a threesome with Lucy Liu
and BAM! It enlarges all on it's own.
Crackers
(Spanktastic from hell!!!!!)
Ghastly's Ghastly Comic
http://ghastly.keenspace.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:22:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robin Thurlow <robinthurlow@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V7 #136
Yes, but how is Sally going to enlarge *her* penis?
~R
who hasn't got one either, and is feeling a bit left out
Crackers <bcracknell@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Yeah those penis enlargement ads have always been a bit of a puzzlement to
me. I already know how to enlarge my penis.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:07:22 -0500
From: Kevin Willis <seamless@textureworld.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
At 4:44 PM -0700,7/10/02, Crackers wrote:
>Ah! So now it's a conspiracey against him because he's a black artist who
>has sold more than Elvis.
Yeah. Weren't we all, like, sitting around being really worried about that?
>Does he point out how the RIAA played a little backdoor shenanigans
>to get a line added to a bill completely unrelated to the music industry
>that robs artists of their copyrights to their own damn music making them
>the permanent property of the label? No. He plays the every so tired "race
>card".
My experience would tend to suggest, and given who was around him we
he played it, that he has been talked into that opinion by the people
around him. I would suspect it was Sharpton and his ilk that
convinced him of the absurdity that the white world was trying to
oppress the coddled billionaire, Michael Jackson, because he sold
more records that Elvis--a record that I don't think will last,
anyway, given EP Enterprises growing openness to remixing some of The
King's music.
I don't think Michael Jackson pays that much attention to the
industry. I don't think Michael Jackson has emotionally progressed
past the age of 12, at which point everything is about you. It's how
Jacko interacts with the world--everything is all about him, and he's
a victim.
>Johnny Cochran standing next to
>Michael Jackson, of all people, lamenting as to how it is that the black man
>can't get a break.
There was a little tear in my eye, right then, for the plight of
oppressed psycho billionaires and godawful rich trial lawyers who get
vicious murderers off on their fame. And I sniffed, a little.
I liked conservative pundit David Horowitz's comment during a recent
speech at UT Austin, who was speaking, for free, at an "alternative"
speech to Cochran's speech on slavery reparations (most of which,
surprisingly, would go to him <g>). "Cochran is complaining that he
took only half his normal speaking fee of $30,000 to speak in favor
of reparations . . . I'm speaking for free. And he needs reparations?"
It says something about the compelling and pervasive victim culture
that grips America, when famous billionaires who could do anything
they wanted, things most of us could only dream of, pursue any
creative project they desired, go anywhere and have people fawn over
him--or be a complete, self-sufficient recluse--is a victim of
racism, and that's apparently the most important part of his life
right now.
Perspective, whacko billionaires, perspective. ;)
Best,
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:11:22 -0500
From: Kevin Willis <seamless@textureworld.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
At 6:11 PM -0400,7/10/02, Melissa Jordan wrote:
>I hope he's setting aside a college fund and a therapy fund for his kids...
I guarantee you, as they grow up without a material need in the
world, they will be victims of brutal oppression of evil people's and
terrible conspiracies.
Best,
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:12:29 -0500
From: Kevin Willis <seamless@textureworld.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
At 11:18 PM +0100,7/10/02, PRAEst76 wrote:
>God no... Michael Jackson hasn't been black for twenty years.
He actually said: "Look . . . I look in the mirror every morning. I
know I'm black."
If he's black, I'm a Nubian king. ;)
Best,
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:14:09 -0500
From: Kevin Willis <seamless@textureworld.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson's (further) Descent Into Madness.
At 7:20 PM -0500,7/10/02, William Steffey wrote:
>Melissa,
>MJs cameo in MIB2 was unreal! It was so defaming, I questioned
>momentarily whether or not it was actually him! Goes to show how out of
>touch the guy is. "oh! these are my lines? okay!"
Those were in part his lines because of some of his
requests--including that he get to wear the suit.
He also wanted to appear on the poster, which he didn't get. ;)
Best,
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