From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V7 #132 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, July 6 2002 Volume 07 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: can-o-shit art, etc. [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: Seminars ["Robin Thurlow" ] Alloy: totally OT - Hobbit name generator [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: can-o-shit art, etc. [Merujo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: can-o-shit art, etc. It's a bit hard to explain in just a few sentences, but believe me, it really is a trend. Anyone who's spent significant time seriously trying to pursue a career in the art world can testify to this. And in this I mean those who *don't* set about painting landscapes or still-lifes.. These are valid forms of work but universally very easy to sell. It's obvious there will be certain groups of the public who do appreciate art in general for what it really is, of course, and not just for whether or not it matches the sofa, but as you say, a trend doesn't mean *everyone's* included. How grateful I am that you and your friends understand and appreciate the various complex aspects of art. I can't go into all the aspects of this.. I would be writing for hours & everyone would be bored to tears! xxx ~R Julie Sweeney wrote: Delurking to share some random thoughts on the can-o-shit art discussion.... Robin wrote: > In the western world, for some reason a school of thought has evolved over > the years which seeks to enforce the idea that art is some waste product, or > literally, art is crap, and that people are fools to buy it because hey, > everybody craps. I hate the idea that in the West, people have come to > think that this is what today's art is. Um, what? Who thinks that, exactly? I am unaware of this trend... perhaps I'd better catch up. I (and many others, I thought) tend to view and judge a piece of art on its individual merits. Art viewed on this basis will always result in someone thinking some piece of art is crap... New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:23:33 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: Seminars Thomas has just mentioned he will be teaching some seminars on polyphonic ringtones in london and Helsinki next month. You can see details at: http://www.headspace.com/seminar2002.htm Will any of our industry people here be going? xx ~R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: totally OT - Hobbit name generator Go and find your Hobbit name: http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/ The only on-topic thing I'll say in this post: "Thomas Robertson" in the Hobbit world, would be Moro Bumbleroot of Haysend (and as a matter of fact Haysend is a real area in England that my own real ancestors, Hazen, were descended from. So Hobbit Thomas must be like my brother or something :) My own Hobbit name is Tigerlily Boffin of Needlehole. Almost too good to be true! xxx ~R New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:08:31 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Alloy: Andgor This action figure company is NOT following up with me at all. I'm losing interest with them quickly. Just wanted to keep you guys posted. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 23:44:40 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: can-o-shit art, etc. Robin Thurlow wrote: > It's obvious there will be certain groups of the public who do appreciate art in general for what it really is, of course, and not just for whether or not it matches the sofa, but as you say, a trend doesn't mean *everyone's* included. :-( But my favorite painting *does* match my sofa. (And I've thought about sponge-painting a border around my ceiling to match one of the colors in the painting, which would bring out some of the nubby, tweedy colors in my sofa and loveseat.) If that makes me a troglodyte, so be it. I think that there has to be some sort of understanding that, for every one person who can afford to buy legitimate art from professional artists, there are thousands of people who cannot pay for a beautiful or meaningful painting, but still want something they find lovely that will bring some measure of happiness or soothing calm to them in their home. Maybe they'll buy a piece of art from the local crafts fair. Maybe they'll make something themselves. For every one person who understands the more complex nature of a painting created by someone with training and education in art, there are thousands of people who simply know what they like and what strikes a nerve with them. Other than a grade school field trip to an art museum or two, they have little exposure to complex art. Is their belief that the "hotel/motel starving artist sale" painting on their wall is beautiful less legitimate because they don't visit galleries or know artists? I don't think so. Art is what is beautiful and thought provoking and pleasing and tells a story - to you. What is art to me may not be art to the next person. What is pleasing to me may make the next person cringe. - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V7 #132 ***************************