From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V7 #130 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, July 4 2002 Volume 07 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories ["Robin Thurlow" ] Re: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories ["Melissa Jordan" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Alloy:_More_Weird_Art_Stories?= [] Re: Alloy: RITCHIE [Brian Clayton ] RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories ["Robin Thurlow" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:04:10 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories What disturbs me most about the can of artist's shit is that this artist really believed it's the artist that's important, and not the art. That he thought people collect art because it's a piece of the artist's body (a fanatic, self-obsessed, fame seeking attitude on the part of the artist). In the western world, for some reason a school of thought has evolved over the years which seeks to enforce the idea that art is some waste product, or literally, art is crap, and that people are fools to buy it because hey, everybody craps. I hate the idea that in the West, people have come to think that this is what today's art is. xx ~R - -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Linstruth http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/30/1023864683252.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:19:46 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories I kind of gathered from reading the article that he was trying to make a statement of the opposite nature. That he was mocking the process of art collectors buying ANYTHING by a certain artist, even if it was "shit" and not buying the art because of the work itself, regardless of who made it. The sad thing is, they bought it, so I guess his point wasn't made. I guess he got the last laugh though: (At least 45 of the original 90 cans have exploded, however. This is exactly what Manzoni intended. Soon after he created the cans he told a friend "I hope these cans explode in the vitrines of the collectors." ) - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories > > What disturbs me most about the can of artist's shit is that this artist > really believed it's the artist that's important, and not the art. That he > thought people collect art because it's a piece of the artist's body (a > fanatic, self-obsessed, fame seeking attitude on the part of the artist). > In the western world, for some reason a school of thought has evolved over > the years which seeks to enforce the idea that art is some waste product, or > literally, art is crap, and that people are fools to buy it because hey, > everybody craps. I hate the idea that in the West, people have come to > think that this is what today's art is. > > xx > ~R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Linstruth > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/30/1023864683252.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:51:03 -0400 From: "Melissa Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories Good god. Imagine some black-clad art dilletante having a cocktail party when his can of shit explodes. Canape, anyone? >>> Keith@Stansell.com 07/03/02 01:19PM >>> I kind of gathered from reading the article that he was trying to make a statement of the opposite nature. That he was mocking the process of art collectors buying ANYTHING by a certain artist, even if it was "shit" and not buying the art because of the work itself, regardless of who made it. The sad thing is, they bought it, so I guess his point wasn't made. I guess he got the last laugh though: (At least 45 of the original 90 cans have exploded, however. This is exactly what Manzoni intended. Soon after he created the cans he told a friend "I hope these cans explode in the vitrines of the collectors." ) - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories > > What disturbs me most about the can of artist's shit is that this artist > really believed it's the artist that's important, and not the art. That he > thought people collect art because it's a piece of the artist's body (a > fanatic, self-obsessed, fame seeking attitude on the part of the artist). > In the western world, for some reason a school of thought has evolved over > the years which seeks to enforce the idea that art is some waste product, or > literally, art is crap, and that people are fools to buy it because hey, > everybody craps. I hate the idea that in the West, people have come to > think that this is what today's art is. > > xx > ~R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Linstruth > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/30/1023864683252.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:32:45 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories Thanks Keith, upon reading it again I understand it better (this heat and resulting lack of sleep is doing nothing for my mental competence) So it's the *dealers* that suck, and not the artist. My apologies to the artist. I was thrown by hs statement about thinking artists should sell their fingerprints and shit and so on. All I can say is, I wouldn't buy it. I wonder when/where the shit will explode? ~R - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stansell I kind of gathered from reading the article that he was trying to make a statement of the opposite nature. That he was mocking the process of art collectors buying ANYTHING by a certain artist, even if it was "shit" and not buying the art because of the work itself, regardless of who made it. The sad thing is, they bought it, so I guess his point wasn't made. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:49:43 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories I can see taking his art work and making it a new/exciting/kinetic performance piece. Mount one of the cans on a small shelf over a running electric fan (perhaps all encased in a clear acrylic case). Light up the work with a warm spot light. Call it "When the Shit hits the Fan". There you have it - art! - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories > > Thanks Keith, upon reading it again I understand it better (this heat and > resulting lack of sleep is doing nothing for my mental competence) So it's > the *dealers* that suck, and not the artist. My apologies to the artist. I > was thrown by hs statement about thinking artists should sell their > fingerprints and shit and so on. All I can say is, I wouldn't buy it. > > I wonder when/where the shit will explode? > > ~R > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Stansell > > > I kind of gathered from reading the article that he was trying to make a > statement of the opposite nature. That he was mocking the process of art > collectors buying ANYTHING by a certain artist, even if it was "shit" and > not buying the art because of the work itself, regardless of who made it. > > The sad thing is, they bought it, so I guess his point wasn't made. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Alloy:_More_Weird_Art_Stories?= I agree, Robin. There will always be a large portion of the public that never gets it. This reminds me of a story about a friend of mine. One day he asked his father what he thought about ancient cave paintings. His fairly conservative father thought for a moment, then replied "Well, back in the old times, some of the cavemen would go out and hunt- and the other ones that were retarded and couldn't hunt stayed behind and painted all day." - -WS > What disturbs me most about the can of artist's shit is that this > artist really believed it's the artist that's important, and not the > art. That he thought people collect art because it's a piece of the > artist's body (a fanatic, self-obsessed, fame seeking attitude on the > part of the artist). In the western world, for some reason a school of > thought has evolved over the years which seeks to enforce the idea that > art is some waste product, or literally, art is crap, and that people > are fools to buy it because hey, everybody craps. I hate the idea that > in the West, people have come to think that this is what today's art > is. > > xx > ~R > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Linstruth > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/30/1023864683252.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: FES On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, William Steffey wrote: > I just went to the FES site to look at photos of clothes, and noticed > that ALOT of new stuff went up there in the past month or so. Lots more > pictures, articles, and bio stuff. A nice breeze through the Flat Earth > mansion. Seems something got horked in the meantime, because www.thomasdolby.com appears to be broken today. BC - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: RITCHIE On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Merujo wrote: > > I thought Patrick Moraz played for the Moody Blues. Isn't Rick Wakeman the > > keyboardist for YES? > > Oh, wow - Rick Wakeman. I remember my brother Ed playing Rick Wakeman's War of > the Worlds LP - along with Walter/Wendy Carlos performing Bach - all the > time... Melissa, I think you got Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" crossed with Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds". BC ("The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one...but still, THEY COME!") - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:59:20 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories This sounds like something my future ex-father-in-law would say (or at least think).. I feel sorry for the poor art conservators who have to try reconsolidating the cans of shit when they explode. If I worked at a museum that owned one of these gems, I'd have it written into my contract terms that if one of those cans blows, I quit. xx ~R - -----Original Message----- From: wcs@williamsteffey.com I agree, Robin. There will always be a large portion of the public that never gets it. This reminds me of a story about a friend of mine. One day he asked his father what he thought about ancient cave paintings. His fairly conservative father thought for a moment, then replied "Well, back in the old times, some of the cavemen would go out and hunt- and the other ones that were retarded and couldn't hunt stayed behind and painted all day." - -WS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:13:08 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: More Weird Art Stories no shit. Robin Thurlow wrote: >This sounds like something my future ex-father-in-law would say (or at least >think).. > >I feel sorry for the poor art conservators who have to try reconsolidating >the cans of shit when they explode. If I worked at a museum that owned one >of these gems, I'd have it written into my contract terms that if one of >those cans blows, I quit. > >xx >~R > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wcs@williamsteffey.com > >I agree, Robin. There will always be a large portion of the public that >never gets it. This reminds me of a story about a friend of mine. One day >he asked his father what he thought about ancient cave paintings. His >fairly conservative father thought for a moment, then replied "Well, back in >the old times, some of the cavemen would go out and hunt- and the other ones >that were retarded and couldn't hunt stayed behind and painted all day." >-WS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:04:34 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: RITCHIE Oh wow. I do believe you're right, sir. The seventies and my siblings' taste(s) in music gets pretty confused now... Brian Clayton wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Merujo wrote: > > > > I thought Patrick Moraz played for the Moody Blues. Isn't Rick Wakeman the > > > keyboardist for YES? > > > > Oh, wow - Rick Wakeman. I remember my brother Ed playing Rick Wakeman's War of > > the Worlds LP - along with Walter/Wendy Carlos performing Bach - all the > > time... > > Melissa, I think you got Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the Centre of the > Earth" crossed with Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds". > > BC > > ("The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one...but > still, THEY COME!") > > -- - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V7 #130 ***************************