From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V7 #124 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, June 28 2002 Volume 07 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: andgor [Peter Adams ] Re: Alloy: andgor ["Crackers" ] Re: Alloy: andgor [Peter Adams ] Re: Alloy: andgor [William Steffey ] Re: Alloy: andgor ["Crackers" ] Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions ["Robin Thurlow" ] Re: Alloy: andgor [Peter Adams ] Re: Alloy: andgor [William Steffey ] RE: Alloy: andgor ["Robin Thurlow" ] Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions [William Steffey ] Re: Alloy: pics for the day. [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: andgor ["Sally Allan" ] Re: Alloy: andgor ["Sally Allan" ] Alloy: RITCHIE ["Paulo" ] Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions [William Steffey ] Re: Alloy: RITCHIE ["Crackers" ] Re: Alloy: andgor [Merujo ] Re: Alloy: RITCHIE [Merujo ] Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions [Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor Sally said: >> I'll price out the "Thomas in the buff" [this is getting stranger every >> day] and also a basic set of clothing. Maybe simple white shirt with >> suspenders and dress pants. > When you say "suspenders and pants" I take it you mean in the American > sense? Cos in UK English that's quite some doll ;-) I thought that's what he meant. I immediately started picturing TMDR in the role of Frank N Furter from the Rocky Horror show. I'm sure he could do a cover of 'Sweet Transvestite' with no problem. Hell if Anthony Stewart Head & Jason Donovan can do it... > Oh dear, if Thomas ever does play here, security aren't going to let me in, > are they? I dunno, maybe you'll get complimentary tickets? :) - -- Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:39:22 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Steffey" > Hi Sally! > What does that mean in the UK?! (and I try to be so worldly...) > William Suspenders in the UK are, I believe, what we in North America call "garters". What we call suspenders I think are called braces over there. I can't remember. Crackers (Hello dolly from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:50:27 +0100 From: Peter Adams Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor Crackers said: >> What does that mean in the UK?! (and I try to be so worldly...) >> William > Suspenders in the UK are, I believe, what we in North America call > "garters". What we call suspenders I think are called braces over there. I > can't remember. Well there is the word 'pants' too. Which in the uk is usually made to refer to 'underpants'. As in: "There I was in only me vest and pants". It can lead to confusion between US & UK. Not quite as bad as the differences in meaning between the two countries of the word 'fanny' which I'm sure has gotten well meaning Americans into trouble here. - -- Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:50:34 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor ohhh. That would follow given the Rocky Horror note. Of course if somebody said braces over here we'd think the TD doll might have dental gear (or some kind of leg prosthetics?) Anyhow, I was thinking the easiest outfit to do would be the 1940's railway radio operator look. Suspenders. Braces. Learn something new everyday! - -WS Crackers wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William Steffey" > >>Hi Sally! >>What does that mean in the UK?! (and I try to be so worldly...) >>William >> > >Suspenders in the UK are, I believe, what we in North America call >"garters". What we call suspenders I think are called braces over there. I >can't remember. > >Crackers >(Hello dolly from hell!!!) > >Ghastly's Ghastly Comic >http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:57:10 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Adams" > Well there is the word 'pants' too. Which in the uk is usually made to > refer to 'underpants'. As in: "There I was in only me vest and pants". > It can lead to confusion between US & UK. Not quite as bad as the > differences in meaning between the two countries of the word 'fanny' > which I'm sure has gotten well meaning Americans into trouble here. Actually you know what, it would be kind of neat if the Thomas Dolby doll came wearing only a "wife beater", polkadot boxers, and black socks with sock suspenders. Maybe some black italian wing-tips and a bowler would accent the image nicely, and an umbrella. Don't you hate when you have that dream where you go to wait for the bus and suddenly realize you're in only your underwear? Crackers (I too became a deviant from hell!!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:01:02 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions For those musicians and/or writers who may be interested, here is another call for sound pieces for a group artwork via my Fluxus list. It could be fun, and I'd love it if one of the Alloid were in on it! ~R _open call for works of sound poetry / lautpoesie / poesie sonore / poesia sonora / lautdichtung / akustische poesie / language related soundart / sample poetry / lettrism / polipoesia / text-sound-composition and other related genres for the publication in sprechen01 the first issue of a new magazine for soundpoetry/lautpoesie on cd we are looking for new forms and innovative works in the mentioned fields. we encourage the use of new technology as well as outstanding performance techniques for the generation of language oriented sound art. we are searching for unheard and unusual works. we are looking for the experimental, the powerful, the bizarre, the spontaneous, the composed, the bloody, the raw, the theoretical, the sweet, the silent, the vocal, the bodily, the eerie, the rhythmic, the melodic, the strong and the weak poetry. send us your babbling and squeaking, your voices and sampler sounds. sprechen01 will be the first issue of a magazine for sound poetry and lautpoesie. we plan at least one issue every year and occasionally special issues about single artists, groups or certain topics. it will be released on cd or cd-r and distributed world wide. sprechen is a label, platform and network for new sound poetry and language related sound art. sprechen is a sublabel of iftaf.rec the record label of the institute for transacoustic research. please send pieces no longer than 5 minutes. we accept sound on one of the following media: best formats for demo submissions are in this order: CD-R (audio & mp3), CD-RW (audio & mp3), minidisc, cassette, and record. we do not accept dat-tapes. do NOT send mp3s per email! you can however upload mp3s to your webspace (or free providers like mp3.com) and mail us the address. we will download it then. _deadline august 20th, 2002 planned release date december, 2002 _send your material to sprechen c/o joerg piringer favoritenstrasse 17/14 a-1040 wien austria europe _contact & info & pdf-form http://www.iftaf.org/sprechen please forward this open call to interested persons, groups or mailinglists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:05:13 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: pics for the day. Paul, the links don't seem to work.. and I want to see the pictures. Help ! xxx ~R - -----Original Message----- - the lad himself. - have I mentioned Qld's temperatures these days, cuz? - y'know even in winter it rarely gets below 6 deg C in the middle of the night... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:33:39 +0100 From: Peter Adams Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor Crackers said: > Actually you know what, it would be kind of neat if the Thomas Dolby doll > came wearing only a "wife beater", polkadot boxers, and black socks with > sock suspenders. Maybe some black italian wing-tips and a bowler would > accent the image nicely, and an umbrella. Is this Thomas Dolby or John Steed? > Don't you hate when you have that dream where you go to wait for the bus and > suddenly realize you're in only your underwear? You're lucky it was only a dream... - -- Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:53:25 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor That's pretty funny I suggested making a TD doll with "garters and underwear". Figures. I knew a Mancunian that was working here in Chicago and she was initially taken aback when somebody inquired about her "fanny pack". W Peter Adams wrote: >Crackers said: > >>>What does that mean in the UK?! (and I try to be so worldly...) >>>William >>> > >>Suspenders in the UK are, I believe, what we in North America call >>"garters". What we call suspenders I think are called braces over there. I >>can't remember. >> > >Well there is the word 'pants' too. Which in the uk is usually made to >refer to 'underpants'. As in: "There I was in only me vest and pants". >It can lead to confusion between US & UK. Not quite as bad as the >differences in meaning between the two countries of the word 'fanny' >which I'm sure has gotten well meaning Americans into trouble here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:58:50 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: andgor How about a white lab coat and a pair of rocket skates? xx ~R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:11:21 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions I'm definitely going to do something. Thanks for the tip Robin! - -W Robin Thurlow wrote: >For those musicians and/or writers who may be interested, here is another >call for sound pieces for a group artwork via my Fluxus list. It could be >fun, and I'd love it if one of the Alloid were in on it! >~R > > > >_open call for works of >sound poetry / lautpoesie / poesie sonore / poesia sonora / lautdichtung / >akustische poesie / language related soundart / sample poetry / lettrism / >polipoesia / text-sound-composition and other related genres >for the publication in sprechen01 the first issue of a new magazine for >soundpoetry/lautpoesie on cd > >we are looking for new forms and innovative works in the mentioned fields. >we encourage the use of new technology as well as outstanding performance >techniques for the generation of language oriented sound art. we are >searching for unheard and unusual works. we are looking for the >experimental, the powerful, the bizarre, the spontaneous, the composed, the >bloody, the raw, the theoretical, the sweet, the silent, the vocal, the >bodily, the eerie, the rhythmic, the melodic, the strong and the weak >poetry. send us your babbling and squeaking, your voices and sampler sounds. > >sprechen01 will be the first issue of a magazine for sound poetry and >lautpoesie. we plan at least one issue every year and occasionally special >issues about single artists, groups or certain topics. >it will be released on cd or cd-r and distributed world wide. >sprechen is a label, platform and network for new sound poetry and language >related sound art. sprechen is a sublabel of iftaf.rec the record label of >the institute for transacoustic research. > >please send pieces no longer than 5 minutes. >we accept sound on one of the following media: >best formats for demo submissions are in this order: CD-R (audio & mp3), >CD-RW (audio & mp3), minidisc, cassette, and record. we do not accept >dat-tapes. >do NOT send mp3s per email! >you can however upload mp3s to your webspace (or free providers like >mp3.com) and mail us the address. we will download it then. > >_deadline >august 20th, 2002 >planned release date >december, 2002 > >_send your material to >sprechen >c/o joerg piringer >favoritenstrasse 17/14 >a-1040 wien >austria >europe > >_contact & info & pdf-form >http://www.iftaf.org/sprechen > >please forward this open call to interested persons, groups or mailinglists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions Heck, they want crap? I got lots of crap no one would consider 'art'. I could probably come up with some weak poetry. Hey Melissa, send the poem you wrote about the crab shack. I really liked that! I think I even saved it, I liked it so much. It's very atmospheric. Puts you in Maryland's eastern shore. You should also send your Siegfried & Roy review. It was hilarious, and frankly the review of that bizarre spectacle is art all by itself. > we are looking for the > experimental, the powerful, the bizarre, the spontaneous, the composed, the > bloody, the raw, the theoretical, the sweet, the silent, the vocal, the > bodily, the eerie, the rhythmic, the melodic, the strong and the weak > poetry. send us your babbling and squeaking, your voices and sampler sounds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:20:10 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 11:52 pm, Peter Adams wrote: > I'm sure he could do a cover of 'Sweet Transvestite' with no problem. > Hell if Anthony Stewart Head & Jason Donovan can do it... Dear U.K., About Jason Donovan. Sorry. signed, Australia. ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:20:24 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: pics for the day. On Friday, June 28, 2002, at 05:05 am, Robin Thurlow wrote: > Paul, the links don't seem to work.. and I want to see the pictures. > Help ! Bugger. Sorry 'bout that. Those should work now. P. [the right Wally] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:35:52 +0100 From: "Sally Allan" Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor > Dear U.K., > > About Jason Donovan. Sorry. > > signed, > > Australia. Huh! You think you can just do anything you want and then say sorry and we'll forgive you? Don't think we've forgotten about Rolf Harris - and now you've gone and sent Dame Edna to the USA. You just never learn, do you? UK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:42:13 +0100 From: "Sally Allan" Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor Peter said: >Not quite as bad as the > differences in meaning between the two countries of the word 'fanny' > which I'm sure has gotten well meaning Americans into trouble here. That's nothing - try asking an American where you can buy fags...or try asking someone if they could lend you a rubber. (That's "cigarettes" and "eraser"). It works both ways - R.E.M. did a song called "Star me Kitten" where "Star" was a polite substitute for "Fuck" because they couldn't have that word on the cover. Imagine how dodgy the song title "Star 69" sounded until I discovered that Star 69 is the US equivalent of calling 1471. Crackers, what is a "wife-beater"? Sally x ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:22:30 -0300 From: "Paulo" Subject: Alloy: RITCHIE I was watching TV last night. It was a program about "forgotten" artits. The focus was on a brazilian singer called Ritchie. He was in fact born in England, but came to live in Brazil since childhood. In the 70's, he worked in a brazilian progressive rock band called Vimana, which included supergroup YES keyboard player Patrick Moraz. In the 80's he went solo as a pop singer achieving massive success over here, reaching the highest point of his carrear. With the arrival of the 90's he was tottally forgotten and soon dissapeared. Today, brazilian young kids don't have the slightest idea who he is. He was on the TV because he is releasing a new CD after all this absence from the public eye... But what took me by surprise was this: when he was asked what he had done during the 90's, he said that he was absolutly taken by computers and began writing electronic music on it. He put all his computer songs in his web page and then one day he received an e-mail by a singer called Thomas Dolby who, somehow or other, had reached his site. He said he knew Thomas Dolby's music since early 80's and was a very big fan of his work even today. He said that Thomas wanted him to get in contact, because he had liked very much his computer compositions. They reached an agreement and so he went on to work with Thomas (I think he said Headspace, but I am really not sure). This program was aired 3 days ago in a very cold night, close to midnight. I was almost asleep in front of the TV, but when I heard Ritchie talking all of a sudden about THOMAS DOLBY I woke up immediatly. It was a shot of adrenalin. I could never expect this conversation in a brazilian TV program. In fact this is the 2nd time I listen Ritchie mentioning that he worked for a Thomas Dolby company. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:19:15 -0500 From: William Steffey Subject: Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions Anyone else having problems with this poetry URL? http://www.iftaf.org/sprechen William Steffey wrote: > > I'm definitely going to do something. Thanks for the tip Robin! > -W > > Robin Thurlow wrote: > >> For those musicians and/or writers who may be interested, here is >> another >> call for sound pieces for a group artwork via my Fluxus list. It >> could be >> fun, and I'd love it if one of the Alloid were in on it! >> ~R > >> >> _contact & info & pdf-form >> http://www.iftaf.org/sprechen >> >> please forward this open call to interested persons, groups or >> mailinglists ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:08:56 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Allan" To: > Crackers, what is a "wife-beater"? Sleeveless undershirt, sometimes called a tank top or a muscle shirt. Crackers (Usually has beer stains on the belly from hell!!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:12:36 -0700 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: RITCHIE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paulo" > In the 70's, he worked in a brazilian progressive rock band called Vimana, > which included supergroup YES keyboard player Patrick Moraz. I thought Patrick Moraz played for the Moody Blues. Isn't Rick Wakeman the keyboardist for YES? Crackers (Confoozled from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:32:43 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: andgor Crackers wrote: (regarding "wifebeaters") > Sleeveless undershirt, sometimes called a tank top or a muscle shirt. And usually seen in conjunction with a mullet (not the fish.) See www.mulletsgalore.com for reference... - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:50:25 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: RITCHIE Crackers wrote: > I thought Patrick Moraz played for the Moody Blues. Isn't Rick Wakeman the > keyboardist for YES? Oh, wow - Rick Wakeman. I remember my brother Ed playing Rick Wakeman's War of the Worlds LP - along with Walter/Wendy Carlos performing Bach - all the time... R.I.P. John Entwistle. What rotten bummer news. I hope that he's looking down now with his sense of humor intact - the strangeness of a member of The Who dying in Las Vegas, taking a current hit tv show theme song into account... You have to imagine the the CSI folks who had to come to the scene going, "Oh, wow. Okay. This is fairly ironic..." (For those who haven't seen the show CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, it's a show set in Las Vegas, following the exploits of the forensic investigators of the Vegas Police Department. "Who Are You" is the theme song...) I will always regret never getting to see The Who. I think my chances are now slim to none... - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  The Shawshank Redemption ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:03:17 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: Call for Sound Poetry Compositions Elaine Linstruth wrote: > Heck, they want crap? I got lots of crap no one would consider 'art'. I Hey, I've got crap, too! :-) > could probably come up with some weak poetry. Hey Melissa, send the poem > you wrote about the crab shack. I really liked that! I think I even > saved it, I liked it so much. It's very atmospheric. Puts you in > Maryland's eastern shore. You should also send your Siegfried & Roy I wish I was at the eastern shore right now. Perhaps I could bury my head in the sand and forget about my damn delegation. Grrr. But, hey - thanks for the compliment on the poem. I didn't know anybody I shared it with liked it! Maryland crabs: the only crabs you ever want. (Heh heh heh...) > review. It was hilarious, and frankly the review of that bizarre > spectacle is art all by itself. Yeah, but you know, I'd have to read the entire thing onto a tape on my boombox, all done in a German accent. You know, I'm sure someday they'll have to change their nicknames from "Siegfried and Roy - Masters of the Impossible" to "Siegfried and Roy - Masters of Sparkly Support Hose!" ("Hand me ze spandex girtle, Siggi. Mein everyzing ist sagging, ja!") But honestly, I don't know if anyone would want to hear me read any poetry. I'm reminded of Mike Myers character in "So I Married An Axe Murderer" reading his beat poetry in that San Francisco coffee bar. ("This poem... sucks...") I do really well with really dirty rhymes in Russian, though... - -- Melissa R. Jordan Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.  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