From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #292 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 292 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: through the airwaves [Barbara Cohen ] Alloy: 'Lost In Space" ["Chris & Beena Cracknell" ] Re: Alloy: must be smothered in hot sauce [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: is this for real..? [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues [TextureWorld ] Re: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues and me being naughty [K] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:19:53 -1000 From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Alloy: through the airwaves Today while typing away in the labyrinth I now call work, I heard this little piano trill from far away. I think I have unusually good faint-level hearing, so I can hear bits of songs that are really faint. This one, all I could hear was this little piano bit, which I couldn't place. Then again, through my vent? Since I knew I knew the song, I went to go seek it out. As I approached another office, these funky jazz horns kick in, and I recognize "I Scare Myself" coming out of a doorway. I poked my head in, and actually it is quite loud and rich coming from 4 speakers around a co-worker. :) I exclaimed that I was a big TD fan. He said, "well I have 2 or 3 CDs that you're welcome to borrow." Pah! 2 or 3 CDs! But it got me to thinking how many rarities I have never heard, and how I should try to hear what the discussion is about, when I happen upon today's alloy digest, calling for an MP3 exchange. How happy I would be if our fearless leader thinks this is a good idea too.... *hopeful puppydog-eyed grin* - -- ______________________________________________________________________ Dr. Barbara Cohen, lunatic bcohen@higp.hawaii.edu Hawaii Institute of Geophysics & Planetology (808) 956-3901 (office) University of Hawaii at Manoa (808) 956-6322 (fax) Honolulu, HI 96822 http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bcohen/ ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:26:51 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: must be smothered in hot sauce Hi everyone, Really busy at work at the moment. So not particpating much you;ll be pleased to have noticed no doubt.... No time to read the list etc.! BAH ! Humbug ! Message to Robin: Dearest - any chance of being put on just the Digest version of the list as my Inbox is overflowing with hundreds of alloy messages and the digest version as well and I really prefer just the digest if possible. Thanks Was listening to the excellent 12X12 Original remixes again last night on CD which I got ages ago now thanks to help from Andy who pointed me in the right direction cos amazon had stopped selling it at the time. Leaping around the room with my headphones on at 1am. ( I was on my own at the time). Must dash "I'm partial for a pudding - but thats for second course" etc.. ( Hot Sauce ) bye ..... Mad tim in lux. who is still here just............sorry bout that..... bye from wet rainy Luxembourg Tim. Timinlux@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:12:22 -0000 From: "p.latham2" Subject: Re: Alloy: Therapy Growth Here we go again with lyric queries, I also thought it was 'Wife & Rover , & a pipe in my hand ' with Rover referring to a UK car by the Austin Rover Group. I also however thought his girlfriend was waylaid at 'the Rocky Pictures' not her accupuncturists, oh well. In regards a collection of rareities , im hoping to sort a CD for Tim the Bruce Woolley fan , in exchange for very rare B.W. tracks including 2 from the never released 2nd Camera Club LP (think Thomas had left by then).I dont however have the necessary equiptment -- ooerr mrs, said the actress to the bishop -- but hope to use my older brothers stuff - just concerned where we stand in regards copying tracks does anyone know???? Im hoping to receive within the week the Kevin Armstrong LP , Thomas supposedly appeared on this so if this is the case my cd could include tracks from this LP, Girls at their Best,Jack Heard , Ghost Train (with BW)- etc -- the list goes on -- but I know some lucky so & so out there has that Fallout Club single im after -- just cant remember who -- so if I can get a copy of that , that could also go on . This will all take time however to get to my brothers with all my vinyl. So no time limits being promised -- just confirm is this legal -. '39 & you need some leeway, soon your eyeing the overseas page ' - -(well 32 actually) Paul - ---- Original Message ----- From: Robin Thurlow To: Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Therapy Growth > > David Abbitt wrote: > > > The song conjures up dreamy images with lyrics > > like, "I was dreaming of a life on the farm. My friend Rover, and a pipe in > > my hand.". > > I thought it was "wife and Rover..." to sum up the expected 'normal' expected > predetermined goals set forth by western society... to settle down and have a > predictable existence. > > > It also has more serious connotations in the verse where Thomas > > seems to be espousing his personal views on a particular relationship, "And > > I ain't gonna spend my time with you if time is so important. And I ain't > > gonna worry over you, lending a resistance to the game. But you won't find > > me bending over to justify existence, while working on a weakness. And I > > don't want to know the secrets of the universe." That "relationship" > > doesn't necessarily have to involve another person, either, as it could be > > about Mr. Dolby battling personal demons of some sort. > > I'd always thought of it as a direct comment on New Age-ism, in which people > tend to be inwardly focused, talking in circles about themselves and their > places in the world, all the while pretty much excluding themselves from it. > Too much dwelling on different aspects of life, and too little living in it. > When his girlfriend was waylaid by her accupuncturist for example.. she should > have been with Thomas (narrator), but instead was away having what many would > have considered a 'new age' experience, especially at the time this song was > written. The line about "spending time" reminds me of when I blundered into the > hands of the Dianetics people when first moving to Boston, and desperate for a > job. I had never heard of them & thought it was some kind of school (which is > how they presented themselves to me) After wasting an entire day filling out > their paperwork and even taking a long quiz, the results of which told me I was > a hopeless piece of crap who desperately needed their influence, they took me > into a small room, where a man explained I was expected to work approx. 40 hours > per week for no predetermined payrate. When I said i couldn't possibly do this, > he said that amongst the paperwork i'd filed out before, I'd signed some kind of > legal document that I would have to keep my mouth shut about everything I'd seen > there or else I'd be in huge trouble. He then walked me to a huge room where > every piece of paper that anyone had ever signed was filed (wished I had a > blowtorch!) and their whereabouts supposedly kept track of. It's always nice > being threatened on an empty stomach. > > Anyway... obvious sore spot from way back. But in any case I'd thought > "Therapy/Growth" was a comment about reality being the best way to learn about > oneself, not therapy. > > xxxxx > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:28:16 -0500 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Alloy: 'Lost In Space" Oi! I'm having a blond day. I don't exactly know how but my random surfing ended up taking me to Dr. Fiorella Terenzi's MP3.com site so I thought, "hey, let's check out one of her songs." Well I clicked the first one on the list and I'm listening to it while I surf around. Hmmm... cute, binary stars having sex. I get it. Surfing, surfing, surfing... geeze louise just how fricken long is this song? C'mon I already got the analogy between binary stars and human relationships, you're just repeating yourself. It was cute the first time, but now it's getting pretty fricken boring. Surfing, surfing, surfing... Okay that's it. I can't listen to this song all day just to find out if it does anything different. So I pull up winamp and go to close it and notice the progression bar is almost at the end of the song, so I figure "okay, I'll let it run it's course just so I can say I listened to the whole damn thing. It will be one of those trial by fire ordeals that you can brag about, like reading an entire Ayn Rand novel." Well then the progression bar gets to the end of the song, pops back to the beginning and keeps playing. The song had been looping and it looped so seamlessly that it just seemed like one hell of a long song going on and on and on. I have no idea how many times I listened to that song loop itself over and over and fricken over. Man, did I ever feel like a total tool. Good thing I didn't get beligerant and send her an e-mail saying "What the hell is up with this song? I get the point, now shut the hell up! Jeeze Louise! At first it was cute, and kind of sexy, but now it's making me pray for a blackhole to come swallow me up." That would have been really embarassing. Crackers (Quod erat demonstrandum from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:52:00 +0000 From: Philip P Woodcock Subject: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues The observance of Miller time should be compulsory (I always feel I have to drink the stuff when I see it in a bar)... I understand that 'Live Wireless' is complete. The original concert (not with the additional material) was shown on BBC tv late at night not long after the recording (in the days of mono tv sound and before I had a VCR). I've always wondered if anybody has a recording of the BBC broadcast! There's a challenge for us!!! Obviously Mr Robertson might know more. As for MP3's I've just finished archiving all my Dolby vinyl in that glorious format and restored using some nice software an engineer provided me with. I'll show you mine if you show me yours!!! - -- Philip P Woodcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:59:53 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Therapy Growth "p.latham2" wrote: > I also however thought his girlfriend was waylaid at 'the Rocky Pictures' > not her accupuncturists, oh well. LOL :) i like your version better!! xxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:07:50 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: must be smothered in hot sauce Tim Hudson wrote: > Message to Robin: Dearest - any chance of being put on just the Digest version > of the list as my Inbox is overflowing with hundreds of alloy > messages and the digest version as well and I really prefer just the digest > if possible. Thanks It is done, my sweet... sorry about the double subscription! If there are any more complications let me know. > Leaping around the room with my headphones on at 1am. Similar to my singing loudly to the music in my headphones in the sculpture studio! which is huge, drafty and has these weird acoustics. No one else is there late at night so I can be as tone-deaf as I like. I think I do okay staying in tune.. but then, all people singing to their own loud headphone music probably think this :) xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:23:47 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Aurora pictures (OT) I happened to run across these and thought some of you might enjoy seeing them: http://www.spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_06nov01.html The Finland #1 is eerie to me. xox Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:49:21 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: is this for real..? .. or am i dreaming it? I've just read this on my Fluxus list... good news for artists/technology people (hint hint... Thomas :) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:19:50 -0500 From: "US Dept. of Art & Technology" Subject: FLUXLIST: BUSH ANNOUNCES US DEPT. OF ART & TECHNOLOGY - - --============_-1207058855==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" US Department of Art & Technology Washington, DC http://www.usdept-arttech.net press@usdept-arttech.net Press Secretary For Immediate Release: November 6, 2001 PRESIDENT BUSH ANNOUNCES EXECUTIVE ORDER US DEPARTMENT OF ART & TECHNOLOGY NEW ARTIST-BASED INITIATIVE I take great joy in making this announcement. It's going to be one of the most important initiatives that my administration not only discusses, but implements. This is a collection of some of the finest America has got to offer - - -- artists who create with their hearts, and in turn, have changed the communities in which they live for the better. This is a great example of the strength and diversity and compassion of our country. This is a diverse group, but who share things in common. They provide more than aesthetic appeal to the people of our country. They touch and change hearts. And for this, America is deeply appreciative, particularly in these times of crisis. Everyone in this room knows firsthand that there are still deep needs in society that are confronted by America's artists who have brought technology into their work. Problems like cyber-addiction and abandonment, pornographic violence, mental illness, loss of identity through the mediation of reality, and now, the threat of terrorist activity across the heartland. We are called by conscience to respond. As I said in my inaugural address, compassion is the work of a nation, not just a government. It is more than the calling of politicians; it is the calling of artists. It is artists who turn mean streets into good neighborhoods. It is artists who turn cold cities into real communities. It is one of the great goals of my administration to invigorate the spirit of involvement and cultural engagement. We will encourage artist-based community programs without changing their mission. We will help all in their work to change hearts while keeping a commitment to freedom of expression. I approach this goal with some basic principles: Government has important responsibilities to the social condition and the spiritual growth of the individual. Yet when we see social needs in America, my administration will look first to artist-based programs, which have proven their power to transform lives. When artists provide insight into the cultural impact of emerging new technologies, we will support them. As long as there are cultural needs, artist-based organizations should be able to compete for funding on an equal basis, and in a manner that does not cause them to sacrifice their mission. And we will make sure that help goes to large organizations and to small ones as well. We value large organizations with generations of experience. We also value community artists, who have only the scars of being on the wrong side of the digital divide. Today I am turning these principles into a legislative agenda. I am sending to Congress a series of ideas and proposals. Today, in time of war, I want to raise the priority and profile of these issues within my own administration. I want to ensure that artists and artist-based organizations will always have a place at the table in our deliberations. In a few moments, I will sign an executive order. This order will create a new government agency, the United States Department of Art and Technology. The Secretary of this office will report directly to me and be charged with important responsibilities. He will oversee our initiatives on this issue. He will make sure our government, where it works with the arts, is fair and supportive. And he will highlight artists who have engaged technology in their work and are confronting issues critical to our understanding of new technologies and their cultural implications as national models so others can learn from them. For as British artist Wyndham Lewis articulated so well: "The artist is always engaged in writing a detailed history of the future because he is the only person aware of the nature of the present." And now it is my honor to sign the executive order. (Applause.) ## 14-128 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:55:01 -0500 From: TextureWorld Subject: Re: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues Philip P Woodcock wrote: >As for MP3's I've just finished archiving all my Dolby vinyl in that >glorious format and restored using some nice software an engineer >provided me with. I'll show you mine if you show me yours!!! Have you got the separate original vinyl version of "Radio Silence"? I don't know if they ever swapped it out on the vinyl, but the CD of "Golden Age of Wireless" had the version of "Radio Silence" I first heard on the b-side of Europa and the Pirate Twin's (the single). I wanted to listen to the original "Radio Silence" again but, alas, had long since donated all my vinyl to the local community radio station. I'm afraid I don't have anything obscure . . . Best, - -- Kevin S. Willis - ------------ Marble & Granite Textures 3 Marbled Paper Textures 1 Marble Tiles Textures 1 - ------------ http://www.textureworld.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:08:35 +0000 From: Philip P Woodcock Subject: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues and me being naughty I suppose that's naughty of me... what are the groups feelings on MP3 of deleted material? As a newbie I wouldn't want to rock the boat or deny our great leader the royalties he's due. I really do think it's about time record companies and publishing houses got round to enabling music fans the ability to buy and download deleted material. This would help keep alive interest in music and let new fans obtain music that would otherwise be inaccessible. For sure I'd rather have a perfect MP3 straight from the masters than the ones I've ripped from vinyl and I'd damn well happy to pay for it too!!! I'm in a lucky position I've been a fan of TD since 'Europa' and I managed to get hold of most of his early stuff at the time of release, i.e. the original version of 'Golden Age...'. A lot of people may not have it in its original (and superior) sequence. I actually play my burned version of that more than the proper CD of it I bought a few years later. I'm probably opening a can of worms here legally because TD changed labels and the copyright is all over the place. I'm a photographer by trade and I strongly believe in the principles of copyright, however I do believe that the Internet would provide an amazing opportunity for artists to keep alive there work long after the record companies lose interest... here endeth the lesson... - -- Philip P Woodcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:51:51 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Alloy: TMDR Website I dont know if anyone noticed...but my website has been down for the past 2 weeks due to a harddrive crash on my friend's server where it is hosted. It is back up now (although some of the site is still in a shambles). The site now has a new permanent address (oxymoron?). It can now be found at "www.tmdrfan.com". Hopefully, I should be able to put up some of the stuff I've been procrastinating about scanning. TTFN, Russell Milliner milliner@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:18:29 -0600 From: Kevin Willis Subject: Re: Alloy: The Cult Of Dolby and related issues and me being naughty Phillip P wrote: >I really do think it's about time record companies and publishing >houses got round to enabling music fans the ability to buy and >download deleted material. Indeed. Or use a company like mp3.com to allow fans to purchase limited "compilation" CDs. Deleted tracks, demo tracks, new stuff. I have a hard time believing that talented musicians that go years (and sometimes decades) without a commercial release aren't doing anything cool that fans would want to hear (and gladly pay for). I hate to think sometimes what wonderful songs aren't available because of immediate wide-scale marketability. >This would help keep alive interest in music and let new fans obtain >music that would otherwise be inaccessible. For sure I'd rather have >a perfect MP3 straight from the masters than the ones I've ripped >from vinyl and I'd damn well happy to pay for it too!!! Agreed! Best, - -- Kevin S. Willis - ------------ Urban Textures II SS Cloud and Sky I Weathered Wood Textures III - ------------ http://www.textureworld.com/ ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #292 ***************************