From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #286 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, November 1 2001 Volume 06 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas [Brian Clayton ] Alloy: E.C, W.C, J.C.! [Tom Trudell ] Alloy: E.C, W.C, J.C.! [Tom Trudell ] Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas ["Chris & Beena Cracknell" ] Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas [Brian Clayton ] Alloy: Seven degrees of Suck ["Chris & Beena Cracknell" ] Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas ["Keith Stansell" ] RE: Alloy: RE: The Beauty Of A Dream... ["Krzysko, Bill" ] Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V6 #285 [Kathleen Presser ] Re: Alloy: Happy Birthday! ["David Abbitt" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:02:17 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Sally Allan wrote: > Remember the old game, Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon? I've just realised I > have only 1 degree of separation from Thomas because I met Tim Curry when I > was 17. As it happened, I had no idea who he was and we had a pleasant > little chat while my friend (who did know who he was) stood behind me > gibbering slightly. So - is there anyone else who has never met Thomas but > is only 1 degree away? Stake your claims! Especially if they are funny, like > "I watched porn with Lene Lovich" or whatever. Actually, you'd be two degrees away (you->Tim Curry, Tim->Thomas). Thomas is zero degrees away from himself. Anyone who has met him is one degree away, etc. The object of the original game, of course, is to find the shortest path between two people. Any path longer than that can be usually be found if you look long enough, up to and including six billion degrees of separation. :) BTW, orcaleofbacon.org says... The Oracle says: Thomas Dolby has a Bacon number of 2. Thomas Dolby was in Howard the Duck (1986) with Sheldon Feldner Sheldon Feldner was in Murder in the First (1995) with Kevin Bacon BC - -- "Faith is an island in the setting sun, but Proof is the bottom line for everyone." -- Paul Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:05:37 -0700 From: Tom Trudell Subject: Alloy: E.C, W.C, J.C.! Well, I figured my East Coast/West Coast thing would stir it up a little! In reality I subscribe to the view that stereotypes and labels are for the weak-minded and should be avoided. But I have noticed the coastal differences I mentioned, so there you have it. Melissa wrote: > It's funny. I guess I've never thought of Pittsburgh as East Coast, since Pennsy is such a > big state and Pittsburg almost borders Ohio! True, it's a bit of a stretch, but if you have ever been to "daantaaan" in the 'Burgh then you'll know you ain't in Kansas anymore, n'dat. > > Any city can be like this. Washington, DC, where I currently live, is like this. My ranking of America's least soulful places: 1) Las Vegas 2) Los Angeles 3) San Diego 4) Washington D.C. where #3 and #4 are evolving into one entity > There are enclaves of laid-back wherever you > go. The enclaves are always stereotype-busters. > > Sandals and Tevas are intelligent options. > > That depends on the weather, On the West Coast it's always Teva weather. :) > (On a side note, I just read a Washington Post article about the return of > the business suit in a lot of IT firms, in the wake of so many dot.com failures - a lot of > managers want their teams to be taken more seriously by clients, etc.) This disgusts me. The pretension that people are capable of - "I'll wear an uncomfortable suit and tie, so you'll take me seriously" and the whole old-fashioned American business model built on this premise. Yuck. Beware undertaking any profession that requires new clothes (who am I quoting here???) or perhaps that's just Beware undertaking as a profession. > I have been picked on, laughed at, and crapped on out > there, Another trait within some humans that disgusts me. No one should have to deal with that behavior. > I was in San Francisco on business a couple of years ago, and I > went to the Castro to visit a tiny chocolate store (Rococoa Faierie Queene Chocolates) at > the request of a friend. It was my birthday, btw. Walking down the Castro, a fat straight > girl in a very gay community, I felt I would be okay. This is a very accepting community > in the heart of the most free city in the country. Nope. I was mocked mercilessly by a > group of men who all wore t-shirts identifying them as members of an AIDS support group I guess they didn't see "Philadelphia" > If everyone lived by their own code, we would have chaos. Give it twenty-five years or so :( > . .. personally I think that the > > horrid humidity builds into the East Coaster an innate desire to suffer. > > I think you might be confusing puritan-based New England for the entire East Coast. I was referring mostly to the periodic unbearable humidity, which gets E.C'ers used to intense suffering, building it in to their psychological profile, making them more likely to put up with other irritations like ties and rudeness and oppressive punctuality. ? AND Paul wrote: > It's tough keeping that asshole-coefficient in perspective; I've always called it the "Asshole Factor" and put it at about 2%. That's why living in a small town as I do is so delightful, and why living in a big city, as I used to, is fraught with asshole encounters. > Little things like, as Melissa does, saying hello > to complete strangers, or when you go into a shop or a servo (trans. Service > Station), making an effort to smile at the attendant, say g'day and ask how > their day's going. You know, treat them like the actual person that they are It's the measure of a person - how they treat someone who can do nothing for them. (Who am I quoting here, again ???) And Melissa wrapped up: > Sometimes wishing I'd learn when to keep things to myself, > Melissa Naaah. Bring it on, get it out, feel that you are understood and respected here. You have touched on a whole lot of issues that most of us carry around and think about each day. Thus endeth the sermon, - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:05:37 -0700 From: Tom Trudell Subject: Alloy: E.C, W.C, J.C.! Well, I figured my East Coast/West Coast thing would stir it up a little! In reality I subscribe to the view that stereotypes and labels are for the weak-minded and should be avoided. But I have noticed the coastal differences I mentioned, so there you have it. Melissa wrote: > It's funny. I guess I've never thought of Pittsburgh as East Coast, since Pennsy is such a > big state and Pittsburg almost borders Ohio! True, it's a bit of a stretch, but if you have ever been to "daantaaan" in the 'Burgh then you'll know you ain't in Kansas anymore, n'dat. > > Any city can be like this. Washington, DC, where I currently live, is like this. My ranking of America's least soulful places: 1) Las Vegas 2) Los Angeles 3) San Diego 4) Washington D.C. where #3 and #4 are evolving into one entity > There are enclaves of laid-back wherever you > go. The enclaves are always stereotype-busters. > > Sandals and Tevas are intelligent options. > > That depends on the weather, On the West Coast it's always Teva weather. :) > (On a side note, I just read a Washington Post article about the return of > the business suit in a lot of IT firms, in the wake of so many dot.com failures - a lot of > managers want their teams to be taken more seriously by clients, etc.) This disgusts me. The pretension that people are capable of - "I'll wear an uncomfortable suit and tie, so you'll take me seriously" and the whole old-fashioned American business model built on this premise. Yuck. Beware undertaking any profession that requires new clothes (who am I quoting here???) or perhaps that's just Beware undertaking as a profession. > I have been picked on, laughed at, and crapped on out > there, Another trait within some humans that disgusts me. No one should have to deal with that behavior. > I was in San Francisco on business a couple of years ago, and I > went to the Castro to visit a tiny chocolate store (Rococoa Faierie Queene Chocolates) at > the request of a friend. It was my birthday, btw. Walking down the Castro, a fat straight > girl in a very gay community, I felt I would be okay. This is a very accepting community > in the heart of the most free city in the country. Nope. I was mocked mercilessly by a > group of men who all wore t-shirts identifying them as members of an AIDS support group I guess they didn't see "Philadelphia" > If everyone lived by their own code, we would have chaos. Give it twenty-five years or so :( > . .. personally I think that the > > horrid humidity builds into the East Coaster an innate desire to suffer. > > I think you might be confusing puritan-based New England for the entire East Coast. I was referring mostly to the periodic unbearable humidity, which gets E.C'ers used to intense suffering, building it in to their psychological profile, making them more likely to put up with other irritations like ties and rudeness and oppressive punctuality. ? AND Paul wrote: > It's tough keeping that asshole-coefficient in perspective; I've always called it the "Asshole Factor" and put it at about 2%. That's why living in a small town as I do is so delightful, and why living in a big city, as I used to, is fraught with asshole encounters. > Little things like, as Melissa does, saying hello > to complete strangers, or when you go into a shop or a servo (trans. Service > Station), making an effort to smile at the attendant, say g'day and ask how > their day's going. You know, treat them like the actual person that they are It's the measure of a person - how they treat someone who can do nothing for them. (Who am I quoting here, again ???) And Melissa wrapped up: > Sometimes wishing I'd learn when to keep things to myself, > Melissa Naaah. Bring it on, get it out, feel that you are understood and respected here. You have touched on a whole lot of issues that most of us carry around and think about each day. Thus endeth the sermon, - -Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:50:55 -0500 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" > So... if someone can link Thomas to Debbie Harry then I've got an even > closer degree of seperation from Thomas. Woohoo! Thomas just sent me an e-mail telling me there is a link between himself and Deborah Harry. Deborah Harry starred in a Sega CD game called "Double Switch". Guess who did the score for the game and the sound design... yepper, the T-Man himself, Thomas Dolby. So, the new standings are: Me > My wife Beena (1) Beena > Louis DelGrande (2) Louis Del Grande > David Cronenberg (3) David Cronenberg > Deborah Harry (4) Deborah Harry > Thomas Dolby (5) Woohoo! Five degrees of separation between me and Thomas Dolby. And one of the people on that list is the first person I've ever had a "wet dream" about. Mmmmm... Louis DelGrande... he's dreamy! NO! Deborah Harry. In a special little dream which involved me, her, and Lt. Uhura and a remarkable turn of events that left them both stranded in my small town with no room at the inn. "Son, Lt. Uhura and Debbie Harry are here. They have nowhere to stay, you don't mind if they spend the night in your room with you, do you?" "Heck no Dad, send 'em on in. I'll show them the really cool LED chaser I built with my electronics kit." Oh little did I know they'd have no interest in electronics that night... and that's how I became A MAN! Crackers (Open hailing frequencies! Dear god YES! Open hailing frequencies from hell!!!) - -- Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com I've.... I've spoiled the purity of Star Trek for you all... haven't I. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:26:02 -0800 From: "David Abbitt" Subject: Re: Alloy: E.C, W.C, J.C.! Tom Trudell sayeth: >My ranking of America's least soulful places: >1) Las Vegas >2) Los Angeles >3) San Diego >4) Washington D.C. Please, define "soulful". - -Dabbitt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas > I've.... I've spoiled the purity of Star Trek for you all... haven't I. No, the current producers of the Star Trek franchise are doing a good enough job of that on their own. BC - -- "It's been a long road, getting from--**MUTE**" -- theme to "Enterprise", as heard at my house ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:06:14 -0500 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Alloy: Seven degrees of Suck - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Clayton" > "It's been a long road, getting from--**MUTE**" > -- theme to "Enterprise", as heard at my house It's funny because it's true. I have yet to meet anyone who likes the "Enterprise" themesong. Somehow 80's power ballads and Star Trek just don't mix. What is particularily funny is I'll bet you the producers will remain completely oblivious to the fact that absolutely nobody likes the themesong much in the way they were completely oblivious to the fact that the writing in Voyager sucked. When they make the "Making Of" special for Enterprise no doubt they'll have the "What is the best part about Enterprise?" question and have all the cast answer "The themesong!" like they did with Voyager and forced the cast to answer "The writing!" I was reading a recent interview with Robert Beltrain (Chikotay) and he absolutely hated the writing of the show and was glad it was over so he could finally express his disgust without losing his job. I couldn't agree with him more. The show had such a brilliant premise when it started but failed horribly to live up to its potential because of poor writing. I think what has happened is the same thing that has happened to the Star Wars franchise. The people in charge have realized they've created such a huge and obsessive fanbase that they don't even have to try to put out a quality product and people will still lap it up like honey. I mean, Berman or Lucas could do nothing but produce a film of knock-knock jokes and all they have to do is slap the name of their respective franchises on it and geeks will like up for weeks to get in to see it. So far I like Enterprise, although the anti-vulcan sentiments are getting a little annoying. And what the hell is up with the vulcans? When the hell did "logical" come to mean "arrogant asshole"? They sure go around spewing a lot of contempt for a species that is supposed to be emotionless. Crackers (Brain, brain, and brain, what is brain from hell!!!) Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:37:34 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas Ok, here goes my 6 degrees of Thomas Dolby: I have a Thomas Dolby number of 3: I appear in this photo with Pat Morita http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&alb umID=24325829&photoID=24329248&security=fxthqenWDi Pat Morita was in Miracle Beach (1992) with Dean (I) Cameron Dean (I) Cameron was in Rockula (1990) with Thomas Dolby Alternate solution: I appear in this photo with Debbie Reynolds: http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=showMyPhoto&alb umID=24325829&photoID=24329254&security=DUgbCeTlmR Debbie Reynolds was in Wedding Bell Blues (1996) with Richard Edson Richard Edson was in Howard the Duck (1986) with Thomas Dolby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:40:13 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas Ok, just had to do this one for fun: Going by commercial films and not by home movies or wedding photos: The Oracle says: Kathleen Beller has a Thomas Dolby number of 3. Kathleen Beller was in Fort Apache the Bronx (1981) with Paul (I) Gleason Paul (I) Gleason was in Digital Man (1995) with Susan Tyrrell Susan Tyrrell was in Rockula (1990) with Thomas Dolby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:50:25 -0600 From: "Krzysko, Bill" Subject: RE: Alloy: RE: The Beauty Of A Dream... I have had dreams in which Thomas appears, but I haven't had one in a while. What's really weird is that last week Crackers showed up in a dream of mine. I was a supermarket that for some reason had a stage, and he was performing. People would walk up and ask what was going on. I would just reply, "Oh, that's Crackers" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Chris Good Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: The Beauty Of A Dream... Damien Sweeney wrote: > > Hi all, > > It seems that I have finally joined a subset of those on Alloy and I would > be remiss not to share it with you: You see, Mr. Dolby has finally visited > me in a dream. I know this is common place for Robin and a few others here I had a dream with Thomas in the other week... woke up and couldn't remember a thing about it :-( - -- 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:24:43 -0700 From: "Erik Habbinga" Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven, err, five degrees of Thomas I'm afraid I have Crackers beat: This March and July I did a recording (yet to be mastered) with the tabla player Ty Burhoe (www.tyburhoe.com). Ty has recorded a few CDs with Bela Fleck. Adrian Belew played on the last Bela Fleck and the Flecktones album. Both Bela and Adrian play with just about everybody, and of those they haven't played with, Tony Levin (who Adrian played with in King Crimson) has. With those connections, I can connect myself with just about any pop music figure of good standing! Tony and Thomas both played on Joan Armatrading's "Walk Under Ladders" record. My degrees: Me -> Ty Burhoe (1) Ty Burhoe -> Bela Fleck (2) Bela Fleck -> Adrian Belew (3) Adrian Belew -> Tony Levin (4) Tony Levin -> Thomas Dolby (5) Of course, if Thomas would hire me and Crackers to play on his next recordings, it would sure save some brainpower! :) Erik > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:07:02 -0500 > From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" > Subject: Re: Alloy: Seven degrees of Thomas > > I so increadably suck at this game!!! > > Okay here's what I've got. > > I've exhausted my circle of musicians trying to interface them with Thomas's > circle of musicians and have come up with nothing. But then I went in > another direction. > > Like many musicians I too have married a (former) actress/model. So working > from my wife I can link myself to Thomas in 7. > > My wife Beena acted in a couple of episodes of an old CBC comedy/drama/crime > show called "Seeing Things" (a really bizarre, but very good TV series). > > The star of "Seeing Things" was an actor named Louis DelGrande. He played a > newspaper crime reporter who had psychic visions. The visions would come > uncontrolled in bits and pieces as he worked on reporting certain crimes and > in the end he'd end up solving the crimes he was reporting on. > > Louis DelGrande was in a David Cronenberg movie called "Scanners". His head > exploded. > > Now, from David Cronenberg I thought I'd get to Thomas really quickly > because he made a movie called "Videodrome" which starred Deborah Harry. > Unfortunately if there's any link between Deborah Harry and Thomas Dolby I > haven't been able to find it yet. So I looked in other directions. > > David Cronenberg directed a movie called "The Fly" that starred Jeff > Goldblum. > > Jeff Goldblum starred in a movie called "Cats And Dogs" which featured the > voice of Charlton Heston. > > Charlton Heston played Jason Colby on Dynasty. > > Kathleen Beller starred on Dynasty and is married to Thomas Dolby. > > So let's see... how did I do? > > Me > Beena (1) > Beena > Louis DelGrande (2) > Louis DelGrande > David Cronenberg (3) > David Cronenberg > Jeff Goldblum (4) > Jeff Goldblum > Charlton Heston (5) > Charlton Heston > Kathleen Beller (6) > Kathleen Beller > Thomas Dolby (7) > > I *just* squeaked by. Maybe someone here can optimize that list for me a > bit. I'd have never been able to put this trail together without the > internet and I learned some intereting things. > > There are more pictures of my wife on the internet than there are pictures > of Louis DelGrande on the internet. Infact, the only picture I have seen of > Louis DelGrande on the internet is an animated GIF of his head exploding. > > I also went to college with a guy who worked on the movie Scanners and he > told me how they blew up Louis DelGrande's head. *(it was a head made out of > jello)* > > So... if someone can link Thomas to Debbie Harry then I've got an even > closer degree of seperation from Thomas. > > Crackers > (That was hard work from hell!!!!) > > Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:33:30 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Happy Birthday! Happy birthday Melissa & Elaine!! Hope you both have a lovely day and get spoilt rotten! I think I read a while back that we have a third person who also has their birthday today (Nov 1), if so, sorry I can't remember - I scoured my email archives but came up blank. P. [whose car was made an ugly, expensive sounding noise on the way into work this morning... wish me luck getting home in one piece tonight.] This message powered by Walking In My Shoes/Depeche Mode off The Singles 86-98 CD 2. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:16:28 -0800 From: Kathleen Presser Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V6 #285 I met a DJ who me Thomas. This DJ sponsored what was called 'Space Pirete Radio'. Name - Guy Goodin. Space Pirate Radio used to play from 12 midnight till 5am every Sunday night to Monday morning. I used to listen to this show when I lived with my ex up in Lompoc (a little north of Santa Barbara). Guy used to play some of Dolby's music and a lot of other eclectic kind of music also. It was on Space Pirate radio that the song "Fieldwork" was played often. Kinda miss that show at times these days. Wonder what old Mr. Goodin is up to these days?? Kate;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:55:43 -0500 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Re: Alloy: Happy Birthday! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Baily" > I think I read a while back that we have a third person who also has their > birthday today (Nov 1), if so, sorry I can't remember - I scoured my email > archives but came up blank. Paul, thanks for your message from... THE FUTURE! :) And thanks so much for giving the birthday heads-up! Very happy birthday wishes to our esteemed members Elaine and Melissa ::smoooooch::: xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:56:18 -0800 From: "David Abbitt" Subject: Re: Alloy: Happy Birthday! Happy birthday! >From: "Robin Thurlow" >Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: Alloy: Happy Birthday! >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:55:43 -0500 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Baily" > > I think I read a while back that we have a third person who also has >their > > birthday today (Nov 1), if so, sorry I can't remember - I scoured my >email > > archives but came up blank. > > >Paul, thanks for your message from... THE FUTURE! :) And thanks so much >for giving the birthday heads-up! > >Very happy birthday wishes to our esteemed members Elaine and Melissa > >::smoooooch::: > >xxxxx >Robin T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #286 ***************************