From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #193 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 193 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Double bonus Alloy day! [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com] Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites ["Ti] Re: Alloy: more dolby video answers ["p.latham2" ] Re: Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: Thomas & Beatnik in the news [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: So very off topic [Slarvibarglhee ] Alloy: OT: The weird and wonderful [Slarvibarglhee ] Re: Alloy: Thomas in drag? ["Chris & Beena Cracknell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:48:19 +0300 From: jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com Subject: Alloy: Double bonus Alloy day! Hi all, two Alloy digest in one day. Hey carumba! > (It's a whacky world and someone is wanking to it from hell!!!) Oi! Crackers! You've done it again. I just spat a mouthful of hot tea all over my Thinkpad. You are encoragable from hell! (it seems to still work at least) > Well... you could always wear the french maid costume... and then post > pictures to the internet. ~_^ Now that would be something to see! I read a newspaper story years ago about a guy with a french maid fetish and he liked to wear the costume. For his 40. birthday his wife organised a surprise party at their house when he thought she would be going to some evening class. He comes home from work to the darkened house, sneaks upstairs to put on his costume and then comes down to do a bit of recreational cleaning only to find the living room crammed full of friends, neighbours, and work colleagues... Surprise! Bluemeitz@cs.com and Brian Clayton > 3. Hyperactive sounds like it was from personal experience also. True or False? Thomas told me when we met that he began writing Hyperactive for Michael Jackson and although the lyrics are a bit oblique and abstract I guess if you know anything about the Jackson' story you could maybe put two and two together. I wouldn't like to say that this is autobiographical but Thomas did write it so there is likely to be something from personal experience in most of his songs. Do you like Hyperactive? I like the video as it was so original and cleverly executed but the song is definitely not one of my favorites. I find that it ruins the beautiful ambiance created by I scare Myself so much that I have made myself a CDR copy of TFE and ommited the final track. Straw-poll time. How many people have drifted off to sleep to TFE only to be dragged kicking and screaming into consciousness by that track. I rarely (virtually never) play it -except by accident when I sometimes quite enjoy it- although I have about 30 copies on various formats in my collection. > > 6. Did TMDR ever visit Leipzig? It really isnt the most > interesting place to visit: "Leipzig is calling you Henry.... " > > Could also be! Have you ever been to Leipzig? I lived in Germany for 8 years from the end of the eighties and went both before and after the wall came down. Although it is irrelevent in the context of the song, Leipzig is a beautiful and fascinating city even after the RAF did their radical 'home improvements'... Leipzig IMHO (the song) has the basic thread for me of out of the frying-pan into the fire. Before the wall came down is was dire and drab just the same as the place the character is noncomitally trying to escape from. Hear it calling. Every place is just the same isn't it? This has a special significance for me as after the opening of the border the company I worked for opened an office in Leipzig and I was pissed-off as hell with my job so I went to work there for a while and found everything was still the same just different. (does that make sense?) > > 8. What is the dialogue in The Wreck of the Fairchild? A > distress call? It sounds Italian.. > > It is Spanish, and is a conversation between an aircraft in > distress and a control tower refusing it permission to land. It is drawn from a true > incident of a plane that crashed in the Andes which was the > basis of the film "Alive." As a caveat to the Q&A I can add something here. Thomas told me that the man that did the voiceover for this was Argentinian and they met because Thomas bought a car from him. The car was a black Daimler and it is the very same car that Lene (Caroline) is sitting in and Thomas is appearing and dissappearing from in the Radio Silence video. Fact is sometimes stranger than fiction nicht wahr! Robin, you commented about the underground construction that Thomas talked of for Eastern Bloc. Sorry to ruin your productivity today but take a lookee here. Quite fascinating: http://www.subbrit.org.uk/ Your story about the books is horrible! Yuk! What a job. I hope that you get paid a lot of money for doing that! > Give me a farting Japanese woman any day! No comment! Keith wanted an answer about the Thomas in drag photos. I have heard that a couple of hours of video exist from that concert. Now wouldn't that be a sight to see! MP4's from hell! Cheers all, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:00:39 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites Hi, This inspired by Thomas's comments on secret U.K. underground bunkers ( near the chalk Cutting on the M4 in England [ I can see it in my minds eye now] with the vale spread out below. The landscape just suddenly open out at that point..anyway.. If you like Secret Nuclear Bunkers - check these out ! [ Especially Slarvi - because this first one is just outside his office window.] Make sure you scroll down to the end of this one and see the photos : http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/guardian/ Now some actual real handbook information which was handed out to schools and post offices etc. 'The fall-out warning will be reinforced by information messages broadcast by local BBC stations wherever possible' The last page about 'living to see the dawn of another day' - reminds me of the clichi that 'after a nuclear attack it is the living who will envy the dead' . http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/atomic/ukwmo/ukwmo.htm to close the best site on secret nuclear bunkers: If you want to see many more Nuclear bunkers and regional command centres around the U.K. This is fascinating and time consuming ! http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/ Hope you've enjoyed these spooky pictures and reminders of life in the U.K. in the 1970's and 80's. The network of listening posts in the last site is interesting. You can search for listening posts by county and Thomas might like to know there was one [now fallen off the cliff and burried in the sand for years ] on the beach at Southwold in Suffolk - all thats left is the concrete lid and copper telephone cables.. I like the idea of these cold war listening posts being reclaimed by the seaand consumed by sand in the dark blustery windy night.. Cue: Morse code blips and Bleeps and Thomas Floodlight at night on the beach alone performing Windpower. . Tim. My nearest abandoned listening post in the U.K. is this one at Oxshott which looks er.'used' scroll down and look at the photos - its till got the beds and chairs in : http://www.subbrit.org.uk/cgi-bin/webdata_roc.pl?fid=988303888.010001&query=pagenum%3D2%26cgifunction%3DSearch%26County%3DSurrey&cgifunction=form If this was what they had in place for 'then' what must they have in place for 'now' - I wonder ? Bye, Tim. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:43:06 +0100 From: "p.latham2" Subject: Re: Alloy: more dolby video answers Hi Jon, Im afraid I dont know the name of the new Human league single -- its only released this week in the UK i believe - i heard a DJ only copy --the album its from however is called 'Secrets'. Ive only got a copy of Travelogue on vinyl -- thanks for the pointers re the CD's - ill definately check them out . Time for some useless bits of info. 1/ One of the babies on the cover of Reproduction - is Noddy Holders baby (ie noddy holder from 70's group Slade). 2/ Biggest influence on early Human League - was Kraftwerks - 'Trans Europe Express' 3/ In the early days the League used to do cover versions of 'Youve lost that Loving Feeling ' & 'Rock & Roll Part 2 ive found out that Bruce Woolley & the Camera Club recorded a second LP - believed to be called 'Shadows' - it was never released, has anyone seen or heard anything from it - think Thomas had left the band before this was released. Also pity I didnt know about the interview with Thomas -- ive always wanted to know what happened to Trevor Herion -- Thomas always seems to have worked with people on various occasions over the years but after the Fallout Club and arrangeing the music for the Trevor Herion single'Kiss of No Return' Thomas appears never to have linked with him again, and Trevor appears to have released one LP & 4 singles (or maybe 3 cant remember) and then disappeared -- i thought he had a great voice. . Oh - by the way - how many people new that Judy Evans & James Allen - backing singers on Weightless - were in the group Girls at Their Best - for whom Thomas appears on a few tracks of their LP -- ---I only hope im right now , after making such a bold statement . End of waffle for now -- think its because ive only had 4 hours sleep after my 10 hour night shift at work, still only another 30 hours to work in the next 3 days -- wish I new how to stay asleep for longer Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Drukman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: more dolby video answers > > At 01:52 PM 7/23/2001 +0100, p.latham2 wrote: > > >Hi Jon, > > > >Empire State Human is great isnt it , its my elder brother who got this on > >single at the time of release, i love the album Travelogue and been meaning > >to get Reproduction for years - love to get that on CD but not managed to > >track it down yet. > > i had to use gemm.com to locate both reproduction & travelogue but it was > worth the time and effort. both cds are crammed with bonus tracks, and > sound great, even after all this time. > > >Have you heard the new Human League single -- not a bad tune at all. > > they're still at it? i actually didn't hate octopus... what's the new one > called? i can't find any info on it on a cursory web search. > > -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:11:24 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites Thanks Tim, that is pretty amazing stuff. Thanks for putting together the links for us. Amazing what tangents we can find based on Thomas' music. I guess you could call it a "link tour" based on one of Thomas' songs or lyrics. Perhaps I should put a "link tour" of southern Louisiana to give a feel for I Love You, Goodbye. Anyone else want to get in on composing a "show and tell" for the group? - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hudson" To: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:31:24 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Double bonus Alloy day! jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com wrote: > Your story about the books is horrible! Yuk! What a job. I hope that you get > paid a lot of money for doing that! Jon... imagine me being paid lots of money. LOL! A very sweet thought though :) But I am making the most of it by learning all I can about the finer aspects of restoration and conservation too, & I'm doing a lot of studying on my own. I just try to think of it all as part of my training.. obviously the two books I described aren't going to be once-in-a-lifetime examples of that kind of damage, especially when dealing with books and art. I need to know how to handle these situations properly. Plus I've been looking at taking on other jobs on the side... there's a Victorian-era mansion here in town that was donated as a museum by the Roberson family (yes, just like Thomas' name... only without the 't' ! :) to which I'm applying to help out maintaining their collection. Dave is already teaching painting courses there. So really, it's experience I'm looking for at this point primarily. As for those books (especially the journalism/war one) the thought of any sort of objectification/abuse of anyone else, especially children, makes me really sick and I have to distance myself from the psychological aspect of it as much as possible, or risk becoming very anxiety-ridden. xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:37:43 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites Tim Hudson wrote: > If this was what they had in place for 'then' what must they have in > place for 'now' - I wonder ? Tim... I thought the exact same thing when looking at the US ones. The only reason we're being told about them now is because they've got something even better, somewhere else! not at all cynical, Robin T :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:40:38 -0400 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Double bonus Alloy day! - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Keith wanted an answer about the Thomas in drag photos. I have heard that a > couple of hours of video exist from that concert. Now wouldn't that be a > sight to see! MP4's from hell! WOAH!!!!!!! VIDEO!!!!!!!!!! Now that's more than I dared to hope for. I must aquire video of Thomas performing in drag. Crackers (A new quest begins from hell!!!!!!!!) CrAB - http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html The Official Bira Bira Webpage - http://birabira.chaosmagic.com Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:04:17 -0400 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Re: Alloy: ex secret bunkers - pictures and details of UK cold war sites Speaking of war bunkers... Out in Saskatchewan (I think) the Canadian Armed Forces had a command bunker burried deep under a wheat field which was then sold in auction for about $2000 I think. I saw the bunker on the news it was an amazingly HUGE complex burried hundreds of feet underground made out of reinforced concrete. It had it's own power generator and the walls were panneled in copper to prevent electronic eavesdropping. The thing was quite a steal at the price he got it for. Unfortunately the local Hell's Angels found out about the bunker and thought "That would be the ultimate head-quarters/drug lab. It could be easily defended against police raids and it would be impossible for the police to bug the place because of the copper lined walls. Not to mention that when properly stocked it would be self sufficient for many years. Suddenly the guy who owned it started receiving all sorts of threats to sell it to the hell's angels or his heirs would end up selling it. So now he's petitioning to the government to buy the bunker back from him and use it for the purpose he was originally going to use it for. He wanted to use it as a museum dedicated to The Cold War. Of course, I think if the Hell's Angels really throught it out they'd realize that while an underground bunker would be a great place to hold off a police seige and to manufacture drugs, it would ultimately not be a great place to get drugs out of. It only has a few exits and entrances all of which are documented. The police only have to stake out these points and wait for them to bring the drugs out. And even though the bunker had an amazing air purification system, it still drew it's our from an outside source. The police would have access to these ventalation chimneys in the case of a seige and blocking them all off would do a pretty good job taking the fight out of the people inside. It's just a matter of playing a waiting game then. Never did hear what happened with this guy's bunker though. And speaking of government auction stories. I read a story about a fellow here in Canada who bought two modest sized radio telescopes from the Canadian Government at auction for the low, low price of $12 each. They're located way the hell up north in the Yukon Territory and included a few hundred acres of land as well. He now makes a sizable income selling time on these telescopes to researchers. Appearently telescope time is quite valuable and highly sought after. Crackers (Wish I had a nuclear bunker and a radio telescope from hell!!!) CrAB - http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html The Official Bira Bira Webpage - http://birabira.chaosmagic.com Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:46:19 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: more dolby video answers At 12:43 PM 7/24/2001 +0100, p.latham2 wrote: >Hi Jon, > >Im afraid I dont know the name of the new Human league single -- its only >released this week in the UK i believe - i heard a DJ only copy --the album >its from however is called 'Secrets'. i found it, it's called "all i ever wanted". i downloaded it and most of the rest of the album as well. it's quite good! >2/ Biggest influence on early Human League - was Kraftwerks - 'Trans Europe >Express' i was browsing the "reproduction" fansite and in the early interviews they go back and forth between praising kraftwerk and bashing them. >3/ In the early days the League used to do cover versions of 'Youve lost >that Loving Feeling ' & 'Rock & Roll Part 2 those are both on the cd reissues that i have. - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Thomas & Beatnik in the news Here are two news pieces, one about Thomas' upcoming presentation at WEB2001, and the other about new appointments @ Beatnik. @ WEB2001 Thomas gets to hang out with Warren Ellis, who writes one of the finest books around - Transmetropolitan!!! Thomas should brush up on some of the first issues (I think available in trade paperback @ comic book shops anywhere in the English-speaking world) It's a well-written, funny and truly bizarre book. xxx Robin Technologists Looking to Broaden Skills Sign-Up for CMP's WEB2001 and Internet+Mobile Conference & Exposition Speakers Include Lawrence Lessig, Thomas Dolby Robertson, and Warren Ellis SAN FRANCISCO, July 24 /PRNewswire/ -- This year's WEB2001 and Internet+Mobile Conference & Exposition brings together a diverse group of keynote speakers, from hard-core technologists to writers and musicians, to offer attendees a wider perspective on Web and mobile development. The keynote speakers include Lawrence Lessig (law), Thomas Dolby Robertson (music and technology), Grady Booch (programming), Warren Ellis (comic book creator) and Stewart Brand (writer and futurist). The conference addresses the growing need for Web and mobile professionals to be more productive and efficient, by encouraging them to think about technology from a multi-disciplinary perspective. Lawrence Lessig, professor of Law at Stanford Law School and author of "Code, and Other Laws of Cyberspace," will deliver a keynote titled "The Impact of Code Plus Law." This presentation will demonstrate how the law can often clash with technology, and even circumvent it. The keynote panel, "Innovations and Deadlines," will examine the creative process and explore how people develop ideas that change an industry. Speakers on the panel are Grady Booch, creator of UML, Warren Ellis, comic book creator known for DC comics' "Transmetropolitan," and Thomas Dolby Robertson, rock star and founder of Beatnik. Keynote presenter Stewart Brand, author of "How Buildings Learn" and "The Clock of the Long Now," will examine why all technology should be adaptable, functional and built to last. Bryan Mason, conference manager, stated: "By bringing together renowned speakers from a wide range of fields, we challenge our audience to think about their own work from a very different perspective. We offer Web and mobile professionals a technical education that not only extends their skillsets, but also inspires creativity and helps our attendees gain an edge on the competition." Other noteworthy speakers include: Strategists -- Andrew Seybold, Forbes/Andrew Seybold's Wireless Outlook -- Michael Sippey, VP of Quris and publisher of Stating the Obvious Designers --Jeffrey Veen, author of "The Art and Science of Web Design" -- Jeffrey Zeldman, Leader of the Web Standards project and author of "Taking Your Talent to the Web" Tech Gurus -- Molly Holzschlag, author of over 15 books and honored by SF WOW as one of the Top 25 most influential women on the Web -- Steve Champeon, CTO of hesketh.com and contributing writer to the O'Reilly Network, Webmonkey and Web Techniques WEB2001 and Internet+Mobile Conference & Exposition will be held in San Francisco's Moscone Center on September 4-8, 2001. Beatnik Appoints Wireless Industry Veteran to Executive Management Team Beatnik Continues to Forge Strategic Relationships in Wireless Entertainment SAN MATEO, Calif., July 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Beatnik, Inc., a leading provider of enhanced audio solutions for digital devices, games and the Web, today announced the appointment of Jeremy Copp as senior vice president (SVP) of Sales and Marketing to be based in the United Kingdom (U.K.). By further enhancing its executive management team and presence in the European market, Beatnik will continue to forge new strategic relationships in wireless entertainment with key industry players including network operators, content providers, handset manufacturers, software developers and semiconductor vendors. Jeremy Copp brings to Beatnik 15 years of engineering, marketing and business development experience focused specifically on the wireless, real time image processing and graphics and system integration businesses. Jeremy joins Beatnik from Symbian in the U.K. where he led the team responsible for strategic commercial relationships with key wireless industry players including Nokia, Sun Microsystems, Intel and Texas Instruments. Jeremy also helped lead the Business Development team at Symbian responsible for identifying, qualifying and closing licensing opportunities with wireless handset manufacturers for the Symbian operating system platform. Symbian's licensees include Nokia, Ericsson, Motorola, Panasonic, Sony and Sanyo. "We are excited to have someone with Jeremy's expertise and deal making prowess on our team as he brings the international vision required to take Beatnik to the next level," said Lorraine Hariton, president and CEO, Beatnik, Inc. "With the addition of Jeremy to our executive management team, Beatnik is sending a clear message of our commitment to the wireless entertainment market. We're confident Jeremy will play a vital role in Beatnik's future." "Beatnik is delivering audio technology solutions to the wireless industry that provide revenue generation opportunities for all players," said Jeremy Copp, SVP, Sales and Marketing, Beatnik, Inc. "I am proud to have the opportunity to join the executive team at Beatnik to drive the global marketing, sales and business development activities within the rapidly growing market for wireless entertainment." Jeremy worked for Psion Software PLC prior to the formation of Symbian, licensing a wide variety of technologies from around the world for the Symbian platform and forging new strategic alliances in the wireless market. Before his work with Psion, Jeremy was a consultant responsible for business development, program management and hardware and software system design within the real time image processing and graphics industry. Jeremy has a Masters of Engineering degree in Electrical and Electronic Engineering from the University of Surrey. 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:29:55 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas & Beatnik in the news At 01:18 PM 7/24/2001 -0700, Robin Thurlow wrote: >@ WEB2001 Thomas gets to hang out with Warren Ellis, >who writes one of the finest books around - >Transmetropolitan!!! you serious? i hate transmetropolitan! if you want to read hunter s thompson, read hunter s thompson! on the other hand, i gotta give props to ellis for stormwatch and authority. i like those a lot. - -jsd- but my favorite book now is promethea. alan moore knows the score! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:43:55 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: So very off topic Chris & Beena Cracknell wrote: > You know... one of the problems with the internet is that you can never be > sure if something is just a joke, or an honest to goodness legitimate > website. Granted when it comes to fetishes the Japanese seem to churn them > out faster than they do automobiles, but this one just seems so... bizarre > that I have to question its validity. > > http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/dins/onarafetish3english.htm > Well, dog damn it, that's another site I'll have to block to protect my innocent users from seeing. As part of my new duties it seems I might have to be the office's own Net Nanny. My co-manager and I are supposed to randomly monitor internet access by our users in case they're using the official system to visit unsavoury sites. I haven't been involved so far, but the other manager had to check some sites when it became clear that one of our staff was surfing porno sites at various times during the day. It sounds amusing when you first think about it, but to collect evidence of misuse she had to visit any suspect sites to check them out for herself, then pass on the information about what she'd found to the relevant line manager and the personnel director. She actually found it very unpleasant as some of the sites were very hard core. Apart from anything else, it was taking up two or three hours each working day just to check out the sites visited by this one person, time which she could ill afford to 'waste' on this task. However, I'll show her this one, as I'm sure it'll give her a laugh (assuming it's not blocked already). Yes, it seems for every weird activity there's some fetishist in a state of excitement about it. This one appears to cater for two, or maybe three types :- 1. Fart fanciers 2. Knicker fetishists. 3. Knicker fetishists with a penchant for Japanese girls. I have to say that I haven't laughed so much at a bad English translation since I read the Chinese to English translation of the rules in a Mahjongg set someone bought me a few years ago. It was impossible to play the game using the supplied translation. For your delight and delectation, copied below is a document my colleague received when visiting China a few years ago. If you're ever visiting Lanzhou privince it'll be invaluable. NB This is copied verbatin, with all spelling errors as they appeared in the original. ************************************ TRAVELLERS' REGULATION 1. The Regulation are laid down to maintain public order of hotels, safeguard the travellers and their effects, prevent crack down on violating the law and committing crimes. 2. Travellers in and abroad could only check in at hotels by valid credentials - -- soldiers by passes; those for transference, business trips, visiting relatives or other by identifications, employee's cards, letters of introduction or other credentials, foreigners comming to Lanzhou check in at designated hotels by passports. 3. Travellers must observe the rules and regulations of hotels, obey the administering of working personnels and take good care of public properties. 4. Strictly forbid bringing dangerous articles which could easily burn or explode, or which are fierce with poison or radioactivity into hotels. Firearms and ammunition must be left with public security organs; ready money and valuables checked in at the hotel; classified papers, blusprints and the like property kept by yourself to prevent being lost or divulging. 5. Travellers should heighten vigilance, assist the hotels staff to maintain public orders wells. Denounce and expose the public security bodied or organs in time if you find and affenders. 6. At the hotels atrictly forbid criminal offences as fighting, gambling, drug taking, visiting prostitutes, etc. putting up or spread obscene books or pictures, or broadcasting obscene recording or videotape; drinking, bustling or broadcasting loun sounds. 7. coming in and going out of the hotel, travellers show the accomodation Cards, and fill in Visiting Record if receiveing visitors. Travellers are not allowed to change rooms, beddings, or keep others to stay by themselves. 8. The public or the hotels security men surely bring Lanshou Administrative Inspection Credentials for Special Trades with them. Travellers must report the situation accurately to them, assist them actively and make things convenient to them, not find and excuse to disobey. 9. Travellers must observer the Travellerss Regulations concientiously. To those who violate the Regulations, the hotels has the right to instruct them to correct; to those who violate the PRC's Regulations Regarding the Punishment for public security Administration or other administrative laws and regulations, the public security ogans will punish according to law; to those who violate the PRC's Criminal law, the public security organs will investigate and affix the responsibility for the crime. Public security bureau of Lan zhou city. ************************************ Any questions? Slarv (atm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:17:14 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: sorry! & Japanese fetish page Chris & Beena Cracknell wrote: > Well... you could always wear the french maid costume... and then post > pictures to the internet. ~_^ But for me, wouldn't it have to be a butler's outfit of some kind, to stay in the right spirit of the thing.. but since it's a fetish, it'd have to be a leather butler uniform with the ass cut out of it or something, wouldn't it... hmmmmm... xx ~R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:20:32 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas & Beatnik in the news Jon Drukman wrote: > you serious? i hate transmetropolitan! if you want to read hunter s > thompson, read hunter s thompson! Appallingly... I've never read any Hunter S Thompson (cringe) but now I suppose I'll have to! > but my favorite book now is promethea. alan moore knows the score! Alan Moore... oh yes.... ~drifting into altered state~ xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:40:47 +0100 From: "Thomas Dolby Robertson" Subject: Alloy: Thomas in drag? In response to the one as-yet-unanswered question (from Crackers via Keith) "are there any pictures if Thomas performing in drag?"... The answer is, I really don't know of any. And I so dearly wish I had one. It bothers me no end that this special moment in time was not recorded for posterity. It only occurred once (just the once, honest, yer honour!) at a single gig in a small club in LA. It's almost impossible to imagine that not one of the 500 people packed into Club Lingerie that night (circa 1987?) had a camera and snapped a few stills. And if that is indeed the case, I'm wondering whether we could somehow mobilize the Alloy network to uncover a photo or two and post it where anyone can see it, eg on FES? How about, for example, if every individual on this list picked one well-trafficked spot on the Net--for example another newsgroup or message board, an 80's music site, or a Yahoo Club--and posted a message requesting information about this gig, or better yet a copy of the photo. Perhaps something would come to light! FYI it was the first-ever gig I performed with the Lost Toy People. This was even before we recorded "Aliens Ate My Buick." It was supposed to be an anonymous warm-up for a low-key West Coast tour, prior to going into the studio to record the album. We were under-rehearsed, it was my first live performance in a couple of years, we had only learned brand new songs (no hits), and I was extremely nervous. I agreed with the Lingerie owners that I would only appear if they promised to keep it quiet. Unfortunately KROQ anounced that morning that Thomas Dolby was doing an secret gig that evening at "a club in Hollywood with a sexy name".... and by the time I got there for the afternoon sound check, there was a line around the block. I was very upset. Cancelling was not an option, because this new band needed to take the plunge sooner or later and "pop our cherry". So I had to step outside myself somehow... and then the idea hit me that I could come on stage, as it were, "incognito". A friend of Kathleen's, Victoria Jackson, a film makeup expert who had once made up the cast of Dynasty, lived nearby and so we went over to her house. In the space of an hour and a half, Victoria and I conjured up my new alter-ego: Brenda O'Leary, a crazed housewife from Beverly Hills, who had gone AWOL on diet pills and quaaaludes and formed her own rock'n'roll band. Back-combed blonde wig, tight leather bodice, seamed stockings, stilettos, smudged lipstick, the works. (Down Crackers! Down Boy!) In front of a packed and expectant Club Lingerie crowd, this bizarre creature stumbled onstage clutching an inflatable synthesizer (true!) and blasted through "Ferrari", "Pulp Culture", "Hot Sauce" and the rest... leaving the sweaty crowd stunned, bemused, and uncertain what it was they had just witnessed. (Screams of "Play 'Science'!" met with nothing but an ice cold glare and utter disdain from the gum-chewing Brenda.) All in all, if it turns out there is actually NO documentary evidence of this event in existence on the planet, it would be quite poetic. Many an aspiring US presidential candidate would be very grateful for such good fortune! That said, I would love to see any picture shot that night, if only to prove I wasn't dreaming. So... any volunteers for posting a message online to see if we can't uncover a photograph? All the best, TMDR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:19:08 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Alloy: OT: The weird and wonderful Just spotted this on the Beeb. Completely OT, but I thought the likes of Crackers might enjoy it (if he can keep his thoughts on ANYTHING other than Thomas in drag, now that we know it wasn't just something he dreamed up), being a geeky kind of story . Anyroadup, read and enjoy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_1453000/1453200.stm Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:27:18 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: So very off topic - MORE - I knew there was something else that puzzled me. What's all this about eating 'bulbs'? What d'you reckon they mean? Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:48:57 -0400 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: So very off topic - MORE - Slarvibarglhee wrote: > I knew there was something else that puzzled me. What's all this about eating > 'bulbs'? What d'you reckon they mean? > Garlic? That was the only thing I could think of. Damned if it hasn't put me off garlic for a while. Freeeeeeeaky. Then again, maybe they mean the good old GE variety of bulbs. 75 watt farts. Yuck. Dinner is now canceled at Chez Jordan... - - Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:11:08 -0400 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas in drag? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dolby Robertson" > In the space of an hour and a half, > Victoria and I conjured up my new alter-ego: Brenda O'Leary, a crazed > housewife from Beverly Hills, who had gone AWOL on diet pills and quaaaludes > and formed her own rock'n'roll band. Back-combed blonde wig, tight leather > bodice, seamed stockings, stilettos, smudged lipstick, the works. > > (Down Crackers! Down Boy!) Ooooh BABY! I now MUST find photographic evidence of this performance. If you ever do do the SNL thing I'm going to flood NBC with a letter campaign to have you do one skit in drag. Heheheheheh. > In front of a packed and expectant Club Lingerie crowd, this bizarre > creature stumbled onstage clutching an inflatable synthesizer (true!) and > blasted through "Ferrari", "Pulp Culture", "Hot Sauce" and the rest... > leaving the sweaty crowd stunned, bemused, and uncertain what it was they > had just witnessed. (Screams of "Play 'Science'!" met with nothing but an > ice cold glare and utter disdain from the gum-chewing Brenda.) Pure genius! I love it! > So... any volunteers for posting a message > online to see if we can't uncover a photograph? I'm on this like a tight leather bodice on Brenda O'Leary. Crackers (A man with a mission from hell!!!) CrAB - http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html The Official Bira Bira Webpage - http://birabira.chaosmagic.com Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:15:17 -0400 From: "Chris & Beena Cracknell" Subject: Re: Alloy: sorry! & Japanese fetish page - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" > But for me, wouldn't it have to be a butler's outfit of some kind, to stay in But for you? No no no, this would be all for Crackers.... all for Crackers... > the right spirit of the thing.. but since it's a fetish, it'd have to be a > leather butler uniform with the ass cut out of it or something, wouldn't it... Oooh, assless leather butler pants. Time to pull up Alta Vista. I guess the opposite of the Sissy Maid fetish would be the Butch Butler fetish? Crackers (I bet you there's a webpage from hell!!!) CrAB - http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html The Official Bira Bira Webpage - http://birabira.chaosmagic.com Ghastly's Ghastly Comic - http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:40:36 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas in drag? Thomas wrote: > In front of a packed and expectant Club Lingerie crowd, this bizarre > creature stumbled onstage clutching an inflatable synthesizer (true!) and > blasted through "Ferrari", "Pulp Culture", "Hot Sauce" and the rest... > leaving the sweaty crowd stunned, bemused, and uncertain what it was they had just witnessed. > (Screams of "Play 'Science'!" met with nothing but an > ice cold glare and utter disdain from the gum-chewing Brenda.) This is completely mind-boggling as a work of art, Thomas - how I wish I'd been there!! Just imagining a crowd of old-school Dolby fans confronted by the mysterious, irritable Brenda and the onslaught of "Hot Sauce", "Pulp Culture" etc... and one fan squeaking out "... play 'science'..?" during one of the jaw-dropped-open moments between songs. LOL!!! The sheer attitude it takes to deliver a performance such as this, defying his entire 'recorded history' before a completely baffled crowd... and he wonders what I see in him. > That said, I would love to see any picture shot that night, if only > to prove I wasn't dreaming. I'm sure! :) > So... any volunteers for posting a message > online to see if we can't uncover a photograph? We should begin by getting together a list of places, and then each choose one and pose the question/request. We can blanket the internet in a methodical fashion as Thomas suggests & hopefully get some leads. so... ideas on where to begin our search will be greatly appreciated! xx Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #193 ***************************