From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #171 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, July 4 2001 Volume 06 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium ["Tim Hudson" ] Alloy: From Brussells with Lovich ["Mary A. Brown" ] Alloy: You know something that I don't know ["Mary A. Brown" ] Re: Alloy: You know something that I don't know ["Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium Hi everyone, Found a couple of Lene Lovich albums on vynal in a second hand bookshop in the Belgian Ardennes on sunday. Black gatefold New Toy and Lucky Number featured on one album as well as photo of a bald Les Chappel. No mention anywhere of Thomas on the cover or either of the records as a songwriter. Didn't buy them but they were only a couple of quid. The shop was called Farenheit 451 [after the Ray Bradbury sci fi novel] it was in the Belgian Book village of Libin not so far from exit 26 on the E411 Autoroute south from Bruxelles. Dont know if they are on the net. Probably not. The records were in a dusty old box out the back and the whole place was covered in cobwebs and spiders! - Yuk ! If anyone wants me to get these records I can - cos I'm often up at my girlfriends place just down the road from there. Cobwebs - spiders - dusty secondhand bookshops in the Belgian Forrests of the Ardennes.........The Quest for Dolby takes us to some mighty strange places huh?!! All you amatuers who just get stuff clinically without dirt and sweat via ebay - should get out there and get your hands grubby !!! My girlfriend couldn't stop sneezing inside the dusty shop and when I emerged out into the sunlight about 40 minutes later having thumbed all the albums in all the boxes she'd given up in a Humph and was slumped on some steps near a fountain waiting for her 'man' to emerge. Its a matter for the record books that I emerged triumphant having resisted buying anything at all. In a lesser life - [ life before her ] I would have come back with the car and started loading the boot. Its tough being a guy sometimes and having to evolve from slime into a human being and thence into a true man. It takes the right women to make this happen of course. Still - I'm learning all the time. And now I know that Les Chappel was/is a baldy. Not sure it was worth 40 minutes of coughing my guts up in the dusty old shop to find this out - mind - but such secrets are hard won. Till the next time. Tim, Lene, Les and the, Spiders from dusty Belgian bookshops. p.s. Afterwards - Marie and I sat in the late afternoon Sunday sun and had a ' Dame Blanche' - a vanilla Ice cream with hot chocolate source on a pavement cafe. - My reward for not buying anything presumably. Needless to say it cost more than both the Lene Lovich records combined. Oh well - Thats Life. ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:18:01 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium Tim Hudson wrote: > In a lesser life - [ life before her ] I would have come back with the > car and started loading the boot. > > Its tough being a guy sometimes and having to evolve from slime into > a human being and thence into a true man. > > It takes the right women to make this happen of course. Do I detect a tiny shard of bitterness Tim? > My reward for not buying anything presumably. Needless > to say it cost more than both the Lene Lovich records combined. Oh dear.... Hope you're feeling better soon, xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:51:46 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium Tim Hudson wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Found a couple of Lene Lovich albums on vynal in a second hand bookshop > in the Belgian Ardennes on sunday. > > Black gatefold New Toy and Lucky Number featured on one album as well > as photo of a bald Les Chappel. No mention anywhere of Thomas on the > cover or either of the records as a songwriter. Didn't buy them but they > were only a couple of quid. > > If anyone wants me to get these records I can - cos I'm often up at my > girlfriends place just down the road from there. Yes please (well you knew I would) :-) Not heard of a gatefold New Toy. Was it Belgium release or an import from somewhere? - -- 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:21:43 +0100 From: Chris Good Subject: Re: Alloy: Lene in porn movie? Mary A. Brown wrote: > > Hi Chris and everyone else, Sorry, missed this one somehow. > The story I've heard TMDR tell about New Toy is that after hearing > Lene perform every night while he was part of the Camera Club, he > was inspired to write that song for her. So I think it's safe > to assume he was there in New Haven. I also feel pretty naive Thanks for this. Well there's only one person who can confirm this isn't there. > I went through all my ticket stubs, trying to find dates for the > two Lene gigs I saw but no luck. Most of those small clubs just > used to confiscate the entire ticket, damn it! Maybe now that I've > got some spare time, I'll try looking for newspaper reviews since > I think I can piece together a reasonable time frame. It's a pain when they do that. I love keeping tickets from gigs. Thanks for trying to find the reviews. > Seeing as how you're the resident expert, Chris, maybe you could > answer something I've wondered about for a long time. None of > my copies of New Toy give credit for who's playing on the tracks. > I know Thomas is in the video and - now this is incredibly iffy - > I think Justin Hildreth is but who is really performing on the studio > version besides Lene and Les? And is Thomas on the rest of the EP? See this page: http://www.cix.co.uk/~mrgs/BLUHOTEL/DISC/NOMANUK.HTM Thomas in probably on New Toy but I doubt he's on The Fly (b-side. > Obviously, I survived my surgery and I'd really like to thank > all of you who sent me good wishes. That meant a lot to me and > made me feel less alone. Your thoughts must have helped because Hope you've recovered :-) - -- 'til the next time, Chris (Room 1 - Blue Hotel) - --- Blue Hotel's HOME on the Web - http://www.bluehotel.co.uk News - Reviews - Discography - Biography - Pix - Lyrics - Links - more ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:34:07 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: From Brussells with Lovich Tim wrote: > All you amatuers who just get stuff clinically without dirt and > sweat via ebay - should get out there and get your hands grubby > !!! I once spent hours in a used record shop in Soho, being thrilled about finding an inexpensive copy of English Garden and emerged at night to find myself in a neighborhood full of porn shops! I also was choked by Gitane and Galoise (sp?) smoke in a store in Paris where I bought an odd "top twenty hits" sort of LP also with one Bruce Woolley and the CC song. And I found M's "Famous Last Words" (I still can't tell which tracks TMDR plays on!) at a nondescript strip mall in a small town in Connecticut. Does mean I'm on my way to professional status, Tim ;-)? I had a dream with TMDR last night. In it, the members of Alloy were giving Thomas a birthday party (it appeared we did this every year) and I was hosting it at my house. We gave him a videotape we discovered of himself as a teen (I think he was on Tops of the Pops or something like that) and he returned the favor by giving us each presents. He gave me two slim, softcover books, larger than the standard size of printer paper but smaller than say, the size of Life magazine. One made sense to me but the other intrigued me. It was a book of nursery rhymes in Hebrew. I tried to figure out the meaning of this, thinking, he knows I'm not Jewish. I finally came to the conclusion that he remembered my fascination with language and thought a children's book would be the easiest thing for a beginner to read. I'm assuming I dreamed this in response to the Ravivar Fiore discussion. And Trevor, while I'm willing to accept that it's the woman from BBB singing, it is definitely not Hungarian. It doesn't sound anything like the words I've heard when the Hungarians I worked with spoke and when I tried using an online translator, it came up with nothing. I'm sticking with Italian though I suppose it could be another romance language. Oh, and for the *true* Dolby content, here's a link I found while reading an article on Neil Finn. I apologize if it has been posted before since it's fairly old but I was very impressed at how long this article is! http://www.intermusic.com/article.asp?ReviewId=90&ArticleTable=Features&Featu r eType=ART&Channel=CMP Enjoy! Europa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:30:27 +0100 From: "p.latham2" Subject: Re: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium Hi everybody, It was quite spooky reading Tims mail about the Lene Lovich tracks as I was sat listening to her song 'I saw Mamma kissing Santa Claus ' at the time , yes I know ive got the seasons of the year wrong, but I just enjoy listening to it . Ive only had this track a week or so, plus ive finally heard her version of 'I think we're alone now' sung in japanese - marvellous , Tiffany eat your heart out. Ive also just added to my Bruce Woolley collection again - single number 8 came sailing in from the US yesterday morning including a track called 'Only Babies Can Fly' which id not heard before - its from 1980 , so not sure if Thomas had left the scene by then or not. By the way if any of you havent got a copy of the Bruce Wooley LP 'English Garden' you should - you get those great pictures of Thomas aged approx 22 , and also Matthew Seligman of course. The early keyboards by Thomas are fantastic,and the album was rereleased in 1999 on CD , and is quite readily available on the internet - ive seen it offered many times. For those who have the vinyl version , two tracks are slightly different versions on the CD. Finally I found some great info. out the other day id never heard before - Wonderlust by the Fallout Club (inc. Thomas of course) actually reached number 29 in the UK independent record charts on the 31/10/1981 and was in the charts for 5 weeks.These charts arent the usual mainstream charts , but in the 80's were quite important . I wonder however is this the first recording including Thomas to actually chart anywhere -- I know he was involved in allsorts of collaberations & session work at the time but I think most seem to be approx 1982 onwards. Can anyone confirm. Finally x 2 - by the way does anyone have a copy of Thomas in session on BBc Radio 1 from approx 1981 - i taped it once off the radio but my brother taped over it in later years (yes, suprisingly he is still alive)- if I remember correctly Thomas does live versions of Radio Silence (version), Commercial Breakup, Urges and maybe another track , ive never heard or seen it again . Please help - Urges especially sounds brilliant . Finally x 3 - ive just got hold of a cover version of 'the Ability to Swing' by a female artist on a Jazz collection CD , not got it with me though so cant confirm who it was by . Anyway Ill shut up now - it was meant to be a short note - sorry Thanks for interview part 3. Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Hudson To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium > > Hi everyone, > > Found a couple of Lene Lovich albums on vynal in a second hand bookshop > in the Belgian Ardennes on sunday. > > Black gatefold New Toy and Lucky Number featured on one album as well > as photo of a bald Les Chappel. No mention anywhere of Thomas on the > cover or either of the records as a songwriter. Didn't buy them but they > were only a couple of quid. > > The shop was called Farenheit 451 [after the Ray Bradbury sci fi novel] > it was in the Belgian Book village of Libin not so far from exit 26 on > the E411 Autoroute south from Bruxelles. Dont know if they are on the > net. Probably not. The records were in a dusty old box out the back > and the whole place was covered in cobwebs and spiders! - Yuk ! > > If anyone wants me to get these records I can - cos I'm often up at my > girlfriends place just down the road from there. > > Cobwebs - spiders - dusty secondhand bookshops in the Belgian Forrests > of the Ardennes.........The Quest for Dolby takes us to some mighty strange > places huh?!! > > All you amatuers who just get stuff clinically without dirt and sweat > via ebay - should get out there and get your hands grubby !!! > > My girlfriend couldn't stop sneezing inside the dusty shop and when I > emerged out into the sunlight about 40 minutes later having thumbed all > the albums in all the boxes she'd given up in a Humph and was slumped > on some steps near a fountain waiting for her 'man' to emerge. > > Its a matter for the record books that I emerged triumphant having resisted > buying anything at all. > > In a lesser life - [ life before her ] I would have come back with the > car and started loading the boot. > > Its tough being a guy sometimes and having to evolve from slime into > a human being and thence into a true man. > > It takes the right women to make this happen of course. > > Still - I'm learning all the time. > > And now I know that Les Chappel was/is a baldy. > > Not sure it was worth 40 minutes of coughing my guts up in the dusty > old shop to find this out - mind - but such secrets are hard won. > > Till the next time. > > Tim, Lene, Les and the, Spiders from dusty Belgian bookshops. > > p.s. Afterwards - Marie and I sat in the late afternoon Sunday sun and > had a ' Dame Blanche' - a vanilla Ice cream with hot chocolate source > on a pavement cafe. - My reward for not buying anything presumably. Needless > to say it cost more than both the Lene Lovich records combined. > > Oh well - Thats Life. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, > all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:35:14 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: Lene Lovich and the spiders from Belgium Tim Hudson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Found a couple of Lene Lovich albums on vynal in a second hand bookshop > in the Belgian Ardennes on sunday. > > [snipped] > > My girlfriend couldn't stop sneezing inside the dusty shop and when I > emerged out into the sunlight about 40 minutes later having thumbed all > the albums in all the boxes she'd given up in a Humph and was slumped > on some steps near a fountain waiting for her 'man' to emerge. > Ah, I have a technique to deal with this scenario. Whenever I accompany my wife and/or daughter into the big city for a shopping expedition they drop me off at HMV or Virgin and go off about their business. It doesn't matter how long they take, when they return I'm always still working my way throught the progressive rock or jazz sections. Works a bit like a creche really, but for record collectors instead of children. Works for me and I'm sure it'd work just as well with girlfriends/partners/significant others as well.. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:37:34 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: Huzzah! Fixed it! Chris & Beena Cracknell wrote: > Well my computer has been acting really wonky lately. At first I thought the > videocard was fried because whenever I scroll a window the window graphics > would become a random mess of pixels. But then I noticed that this glitch > worsened the higher the mercury was in the thermometre. Hmmmm sounds like a > little heat problem. Went to Canadian Tire today and bought a little 6 inch > fan. Took the case off the computer and have the fan blowing directly into > the machine and across all the boards. So far the machine is working > flawlessly. Woohoo! Cheaper than buying a new videocard, that's for sure. > The computer actually fits in much nicer with the geekroom decore with the > case off. Of course now I have to worry about dust build-up or a curious cat > going "I wonder what happens if I put my nose right here." Plus, all my old > keyboard magazines used to be stored behind my computer but now that there's > a fan there, I'll have to find a new place to put them. Damnit. I really > need a bigger geekroom. > Erm, the KB mags weren't blocking the air vents in the PC were they? Silly question, I know, but they'd make a nice insulator. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:58:04 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Alloy: Rare playing of TMDR on the BBC You may be aware that I usually deal with my mail in the late evening while listening to Late Junction on BBC Radio 3, a superb programme which I can throughly reccomend to anyone who can pick up the Beeb on their crystal sets. They play all manner of things (Sardinian throat singers, Robert Wyatt, Gregorian Chant, Chinese Caravan Drivers' travelling songs, Gamelan, jazz, swing, electronica of all flavours, Indian Rags of all shapes and sizes, in fact anything that isn't 'pop' or currently in the popular charts, including that bloke that sounds like Crackers [what's his damn name, oh yes, Tom Waits]) and tonight I was pleased to hear them play Budapest by Blimp. This makes up in some small way for their reluctance to play anything by Brand X or Ozric Tentacles, despite my regular harangues by e-mail. Just thought I'd mention this for no particular reason other than that it's a rare occurance. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:04:00 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Idea for a tape swap Slarvibarglhee wrote: > They play all manner of things (Sardinian throat singers, Robert Wyatt, > Gregorian Chant, Chinese Caravan Drivers' travelling songs, Gamelan, > jazz, swing, electronica of all flavours, Indian Rags of all shapes and > sizes, in fact anything that isn't 'pop' or currently in the popular > charts, including that bloke that sounds like Crackers [what's his damn > name, oh yes, Tom Waits]) and tonight I was pleased to hear them play > Budapest by Blimp. This makes up in some small way for their reluctance > to play anything by Brand X or Ozric Tentacles, despite my regular > harangues by e-mail. There's so much great music in the world, and Alloy members have such diverse tastes. Slarvi's post made me think we should do a small-scale tape swap! Unlike a previous version (I think 12 or so people were involved and we each had to make 12 copies of our own tape.. in return for one from each of the other participants) I think it'd work out better time- and money-wise to keep it more one-on-one, like 'Secret Santa'. Anyone who'd like to make a mix tape of what they're listening to nowadays, please drop me a line. I can randomly draw names for people who will swap with each other. Would anyone like to do this? It wouldn't matter how many people got into it... if there's only one, then you'll get an earful of what I like ;) If there's an uneven # then i can make up for the difference with an additional tape. This would just be for a little fun! I always love hearing what other people are getting into musically & I'm sure a lot of us here do. Thomas is of course welcome to swap a tape of his latest favorites too, if he'd like to join in :) xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:00:40 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" Subject: Alloy: You know something that I don't know Hi Fellow Dolbyphiles, While I was going through my archives looking for Lene Lovich references for our esteemed member Chris Good, I ran across some articles about our beloved Mr. Dolby that I assume (perhaps wrongly), might only be in *my* possession here on Alloy, e.g., the University of Connecticut Daily Campus review of his lecture there in 1989. It got me to thinking, are there those of you out there who might share similar accounts? I'll bet, Robin, that you have some album reviews from the Boston Globe (I only have a crossword puzzle reference from my stint in CT). What about you, Keith? Anything fun from when you lived in Louisiana? Mr. Baily? Ya gotta know that even the most fanatical of us didn't have access to NZ or AU papers back in the old days. Crackers, Ian, fill us in on the Canadian front, please? Here's a little contribution from page 580 from the paperback issue of Stephen King's "It": "Mike leaned against the wall in a bar of late-afternoon sun, the sleeves of his shirt rolled up and his tie yanked down, whistling a tune which Bill finally identified as "She Blinded Me With Science." Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:39:29 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: From Brussells with Lovich At 04:34 PM 7/3/2001 -0400, Mary A. Brown wrote: >And I found M's "Famous Last Words" (I still can't tell which >tracks TMDR plays on!) if that isn't the trademark TMDR synth-brass on "Neutron" then i'll eat my hat. - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:15:14 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Re: Alloy: You know something that I don't know > I'll bet, Robin, that > you have some album reviews from the Boston Globe Nope... I didn't live in Boston until 1992, and didn't buy any newspapers until 1994. Learned a bit about different flavors of cat food though (yum!) I'd be glad to share the knowledge sometime. Of course Iam's kitten formula is best, as you probably imagined. xxx Robin ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #171 ***************************