From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #119 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, May 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists / Beatnick ["Tim] Re: Alloy: cold war stuff [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists / Beatnick [] Re: Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists /Beatnick [Ru] Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #115--a clarification [Slarvibarglhee ] Alloy: Keyboard Magazine "Soundpage" March 1985 [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: War Child letter ["Robin Thurlow" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:44:43 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists / Beatnick Hi from sunny Luxembourg again.... I have never heard Mr Dolbys 'The Wreck of the Fairchild' but upon hearing the title I was reminded of a jolly good song by Robyn Hitchcock called 'The Wreck of the Arthur Lee'. I'd forgotten which album it was on and promised to find out - heres the details: ' The Wreck of the Arthur Lee ' sits proudly before ' Driving Aloud ( Radio Storm ) ' on the 1993 Album RESPECT, a joyous album where M.Windsor and Andy Metcalfe return to the Egyptian's fold. I wonder if he meant to call it the Wreck of the Albert Lee? :-) Guitarist joke. By the way 'Fairchild' made recording studio audio compressors but from what I have heard about the song - its about an airplane crash...... which is a bit of a shame almost........ I had visions of a song about a wrecked audio compressor........ maybe the airplane company made both - a sort of General electrics of its day....? BOOTLEGGED ARTISTS IN THE UK - THE OFFICIAL BPI LIST OF THE TOP 50 The official UK list of most bootlegged artists is at: http://www.bpi.co.uk/bootleg.htm I was amazed to see that a) TMDR isnt in the list .... b) Tori Amos was............. c) Depeche Mode were officially more bootlegged than Maddonna or Elton John or David Bowie........sureley some mistake !! d) Sisters of Merci .......Good Grief!! and for those who cant be bothered to visit the British Phongraphic Industry website the officially most bootlegged band in the UK is Led Zeppelin Who are apparently even more bootleged than the Beatles...... It would be interesting to know if the BPI actually hold any Bootlegged examples of TMDR's work..... The above BPI site also has the lowdown on copyright issues MP3 and the use of the Internet. Which has been a much discussed theme on the alloy list. If you want to know what the official British view is .....its worth a quick poke around their web site. http://www.bpi.co.uk Thought Beatnick were developing some watermarking technologies for embedding in the audio stream? Wonder what the score on that is.......is it only applicable for their proprieatry RMF format or would it work for other formats too? Bye from Tim. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:57:11 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: cold war stuff Paul Baily wrote: (about NZ/US Cold War tensions) > Because of this, strong (strictly non-violent) protests broke out > whenever a US military ship/boat was to visit. The 'we can neither > confirm nor deny' stance from US DoD on the visitor's loadout continued. > In the end (I believe) there was a standoff of sorts between the US and > NZ in that the US wanted NZ as a safe harbor but NZ didn't want to be a > nuclear target by proxy. Tense times in more than one sense. There were > calls (and I /think/ they were actually enacted) to not admit US Naval > assets that could/would not declare themselves nuclear free. It was quite > a knife-edge. Paul, your story is fascinating. Our educational systems never told us these things when we were kids. We learned some version of ancient world history... any sort of "current events" class almost always focused on wars elsewhere, and on portraying the US as some kind of benevolent Big Brother. It was so pervasive in our culture, but by the time my friends and I hit high school and were more aware of world events (we thought Europe was the height of 'cool', and read overseas newspapers to try to get some feel of things happening there) we just weren't buying it. One interesting point, pertaining to the discussion of European countries and Communism... one of Dave's housemates in college in the mid-to-late '80s was a girl from East Germany. She said the propaganda on either side of the Berlin wall were mirror-images of each other, each declaring the other type of government was the ultimate evil. All the kids in East Germany had to go through military training, which in her case consisted of a bunch of giggling thirteen year old girls talking about boys, while learning to shoot massive military weapons etc. They also were shown films of US military who were supposedly the evil men coming to get them.. only all the girls in her group just giggled a lot and developed crushes on the handsome soldiers in the film. Her thought at the time, as she relayed it to Dave: "he's coming to get me? all right!" And Slarvi wrote: :: LOL. I bet a lot of our friends on the other side of the Atlantic are wondering a) what is a Pelican crossing? and b) what was Dad's Army? though some of them might know the latter as it's possible it could have been exported to the States. :: I think I've heard of Dad's Army, it was a tv show I think... I don't know what a Pelican crossing is, though I've heard of a Zebra crossing! The thought that comes to mind of course is lots of pelicans slowly making their way across the street, and cops having to stop traffic :) xxxx Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:42:46 -0500 From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists / Beatnick On 10 May 2001, at 8:44, Tim Hudson wrote: I was amazed to see that a) TMDR isnt in the list .... b) Tori Amos was............. c) Depeche Mode were officially more bootlegged than Maddonna or Elton John or David Bowie........sureley some mistake !! d) Sisters of Merci .......Good Grief!! No, no mistake on Depeche Mode. Some things to keep in mind on this: 1) Most fans (myself included) are very devoted to DM. I am far more of a DM fan than a TMDR fan. Once you get past the image of "People are People" there is a LOT of amazingly good music there. An amazingly high percentage of DM fans are "completists". I have a "small" collection which numbers in the range of 50 cd's. 2) DM is VERY remixable. This lends itself well to bootlegging. When you combine those two points, it's easy to see why DM is high on the bootlegging charts. Personally, the only bootleg I own is a DM one, and while I do consider myself Devoted, DM is only my second favorite act. I'm also a bit of a Sisters of Mercy fan, and most of their bootlegs are of live performances. From what I can gather, they tend to play a lot of stuff live that never makes it onto their albums. This message powered by the movie "Memphis Belle" - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ________________________________________________________ ___________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com + Charles E. Kemp +++++ beeble@indy.net + Just for the sake of it make sure you're always + frowning, it shows the world that you've got + substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:35:41 -0400 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: The Wreck of .../..BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists /Beatnick I didn't check the list but I imagine Kate Bush would be high on the bootleg list. Also speaking of Depeche..I have tickets to see them on July 8th here in Orlando! WooHoo! Also, anyone noticed that when you go to my web site at http://www.pobox.com/~milliner/ it actually redirects you to http://www.depeche.mode.net/~milliner/ A friend of mine got the company that owns mode.net to point depeche to his ip address. I actually tried asking dolby.com (aka Dolby Labs) if they'd do the same but as expected they said no can do. - -Russ "Charles E. Kemp" wrote: > > On 10 May 2001, at 8:44, Tim Hudson wrote: > > I was amazed to see that > a) TMDR isnt in the list .... > b) Tori Amos was............. > c) Depeche Mode were officially more bootlegged than Maddonna > or Elton > John or David Bowie........sureley some mistake !! d) Sisters of > Merci > .......Good Grief!! > > No, no mistake on Depeche Mode. Some things to keep in mind > on this: > > 1) Most fans (myself included) are very devoted to DM. I am far > more of a DM fan than a TMDR fan. Once you get past the image > of "People are People" there is a LOT of amazingly good music > there. An amazingly high percentage of DM fans are > "completists". I have a "small" collection which numbers in the > range of 50 cd's. > > 2) DM is VERY remixable. This lends itself well to bootlegging. > > When you combine those two points, it's easy to see why DM is > high on the bootlegging charts. Personally, the only bootleg I own > is a DM one, and while I do consider myself Devoted, DM is only > my second favorite act. > > I'm also a bit of a Sisters of Mercy fan, and most of their bootlegs > are of live performances. From what I can gather, they tend to > play a lot of stuff live that never makes it onto their albums. > > This message powered by the movie "Memphis Belle" > > -- > Tim Hudson > tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email > > ________________________________________________________ > ___________ To > get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all > in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com > > + Charles E. Kemp +++++ beeble@indy.net > + Just for the sake of it make sure you're always > + frowning, it shows the world that you've got > + substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:48:56 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #115--a clarification Julie Sweeney wrote: > {snipped} > Having only lived in the States, though, and > having grown up with the same fears and paranoias that Robin and Crackers > write of, I would really like to hear a different perspective--say from > someone who grew up in this same time period in Europe. This has the added > advantage of being pretty on topic. > Hmmmm, lemme see. What do I remember about the nuclear threat? Well, there was a crappy public info film called 'Protect and Survive' which told you how to make a shelter in your home with your internal doors and a few blankets, and a few other things I can't remember. Then there was the annual peace march to Aldermaston, which iirc was the Ministry of Defence's atomic research facility. I remember noting that there were always protesters from all political parties, which was probably one of the few occasions when opposing MPs agreed about something. Then there was the very long protest at Greenham Common, which was where the USAF based their Cruise Missiles and bombers. There were women camped outside for something like ten years altogether. Originally this was well covered in the press, but after a while it became less interesting, and was only reported on when the protesters made a bit of trouble by blocking the traffic or trying to break through the perimeter fence. There were also protests at the Royal Navy's nuclear submarine base at Faslane in Scotland from time to time. Every now and again there'd be press coverage of some event or when relations between east and west were more flaky than normal. Then there was a TV drama called Threads which tried to portray realistically what it would be like in the UK after a nuclear war. All depressing stuff, but I think a lot of people became bored with the whole thing and either didn't take the threat too seriously, or else were fatalistic about it and thought we'd all be crisped pretty quickly if there was a nuclear strike. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: Re: BPI top 50 Bootlegged Artists On Thu, 10 May 2001, Russell Milliner wrote: > I didn't check the list but I imagine Kate Bush would be high on the > bootleg list. She doesn't appear there; then again, her following has always been a bit cultish (speaking as a fringe member myself :) ) and so any such activity would probably fall well below the radar. > A friend of mine got the company that owns mode.net to point depeche > to his ip address. I actually tried asking dolby.com (aka Dolby Labs) > if they'd do the same but as expected they said no can do. Even ignoring for the moment the history between Dolby Labs and Thomas, this is not too surprising. Big companies aren't likely to give away a subdomain to just anyone who asks. But then, there's no harm in asking, I guess. :) BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Keyboard Magazine "Soundpage" March 1985 I won a Keyboard magazine from eBay which featured an article on Thomas but said the "soundpage" was missing. I didn't think anything of this at the time... It turns out there had been some sort of recorded material included (one of those thin vinyl pages you could play on a turntable?) which featured one of Thomas' otherwise unreleased pieces (to my knowledge). Here's the paragraph which mentions the Soundpage... the whole issue had to do with current musicians creating pieces in the spirit of J.S Bach: "Three of our Advisory Board members volunteered to provide recordings for our Soundpage(tm). Thomas Dolby dug into his archives and sent in an unreleased one-minute tape that he had done for an earlier project that didn't work out. This "Fragment" makes use of two phrases from Back's Suite No. 2 in D Minor for unaccompanied cello. The first phrase is from the second Menuet in the suite, while the second phrase is from the first Menuet. Using his Fairlight CMI, Dolby sampled a recording of a cellist playing the Suite; the "Fragment" uses both whole phrases from the cello and lines made of single cello notes played with the Fairlight keyboard." Thomas + cello + Bach = all too amazing! Does anyone have this little gem tucked away safely in their collection? It's also got me wondering if these cello samples appear elsewhere in Thomas' released work. Probably the individual notes, I'd imagine. I'll just be sitting here clutching my magazine and pouting for the rest of the evening... don't mind me.. xxx Robin T Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:56:57 -0400 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Keyboard Magazine "Soundpage" March 1985 After checking my collection, I only have issues back to June of 1985. - -Russ Robin Thurlow wrote: > > I won a Keyboard magazine from eBay which featured an > article on Thomas but said the "soundpage" was > missing. I didn't think anything of this at the > time... > > It turns out there had been some sort of recorded > material included (one of those thin vinyl pages you > could play on a turntable?) which featured one of > Thomas' otherwise unreleased pieces (to my knowledge). > Here's the paragraph which mentions the Soundpage... > the whole issue had to do with current musicians > creating pieces in the spirit of J.S Bach: > > "Three of our Advisory Board members volunteered to > provide recordings for our Soundpage(tm). Thomas > Dolby dug into his archives and sent in an unreleased > one-minute tape that he had done for an earlier > project that didn't work out. This "Fragment" makes > use of two phrases from Back's Suite No. 2 in D Minor > for unaccompanied cello. The first phrase is from the > second Menuet in the suite, while the second phrase is > from the first Menuet. Using his Fairlight CMI, Dolby > sampled a recording of a cellist playing the Suite; > the "Fragment" uses both whole phrases from the cello > and lines made of single cello notes played with the > Fairlight keyboard." > > Thomas + cello + Bach = all too amazing! Does anyone > have this little gem tucked away safely in their > collection? > > It's also got me wondering if these cello samples > appear elsewhere in Thomas' released work. Probably > the individual notes, I'd imagine. > > I'll just be sitting here clutching my magazine and > pouting for the rest of the evening... don't mind me.. > > xxx > Robin T > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:28:22 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Re: Alloy: Keyboard Magazine "Soundpage" March 1985 Russ wrote: > > After checking my collection, I only have issues back to June of 1985. I'll bet you'll be sitting around looking at your stack of Keyboards and pouting for the rest of the evening too..! at least neither of us will be alone in this. I'd love to know which cellist Thomas sampled. How very cool it would have been to have your playing sampled and remixed. This rarely happens for cellists... so few of them are ever involved in any sort of recording. Speaking of cellists... I had another strange cello experience yesterday to match my "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" one. I was listening to a cellist on the radio while at work, and thinking, "WOW, that cello sounds just like Yo-Yo Ma's - only it can't be him, the playing is so much more gorgeously raw and animalistic" When I heard the back-announcement, I learned it had been none other than British cellist Jacqueline Du Pre, who owned the very same Strad cello Yo-Yo Ma now plays. For some reason I'm keyed in on that Strad! Even differences in media/broadcasting weirdnesses don't seem to be throwing me on this one. I just don't know what this could mean. Nice cello though :) xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:47:42 -0500 From: "Krzysko, Bill" Subject: Alloy: OT Nuclear - -----Original Message----- >Well, there was a crappy public info film called 'Protect and Survive' which >told you how to make a shelter in your home with your internal doors and a few. >blankets, and a few other things I can't remember. Then there was the annual I remember getting a book in the mail when I was a kid, set compliments of our congressman, that did the same thing. How to build a shelter, how to purify water, how to build a toilet, etc. Sort of an "Apocalypse for Dummies" book. Chicago is big city with lots of industrial activity, so I think there was talk about us being the Number 1 target in the United States. In fact I remember reading an article in the paper about a spot of land between two expressways that would be ground zero. I pretty sure my friends and I decided we would go there if it looked liked war. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:01:22 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: War Child letter After a few delays, I'm finally sending off all of our War Child donations this Saturday. I've attached the text of the letter I've just written (printed up in a nice Baskerville 12pt text), which I hope expresses the feelings of everyone here. Thanks to all of you for contributing! xxxx Robin T Dear Ms. Furr, I manage an internet mailing list for artist and musician Thomas Dolby Robertson, who is a long-time supporter of your foundation. In honor of Christmas 2000, Mr. Dolby very generously presented our list with the chance to hear a previously-unreleased recording he had made, along with a suggestion that we may wish to contribute to War Child if we felt the gift worth something. It was my great honor and pleasure to collect these donations to be forwarded along to you. Please find enclosed the many checks and payments from members of Alloy, Mr. Dolbys official fan-based mailing list. Many others from our list contributed directly on-line via your website. It is our sincere hope that our contributions may help War Child in some small way to make better the lives of needy children around the world. Our deepest thanks to you and your associates for all you have done, and all that you continue to do, to improve childrens lives every day under extraordinary circumstances. Sincerely, Robin Thurlow ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #119 ***************************