From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #115 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #114 [Barbara Cohen ] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #113 ["Julie Sweeney" ] Alloy: Welcome to the hotel California... [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 09:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #114 >Al, Jamiroquai, Daft Punk (I -love- their new video with Leiji Matsumoto's >work), Fat Boy Slim (Ditto that with their vid featuring Christopher >Walken) Robyn, I just saw the Fatboy Slim video and laughed my a** off! It is completely brilliant, in a "being john malkovich" sort of way. I also really likr the Daft Punk vid, even though I'm not really interested in anime, because it is a neat combination of the two. I think I've told some of you this before, my family got cable in 1979, and I saw the inception of MTV, but then my parents were very anti-MTV because "all the videos are violent and negative towards women." I used to go to friends houses for the night just to watch MTV, and that's how I got to see Science, Hyperactive, etc. My friend Renee used to tease me, "if you love him so much, why don't you marry him??" I wish... :) Now I don't have cable but I get MTV2 for free, and sometimes I just go slackjawed :) > >I also find that the nintendo generation doesn't get the joke "This has >been a test of the emergency broadcast system", since they didn't grow up >with their cartoons being interupted by tests of a system designed to tell >you how much time you had to kiss your ass goodbye. There's a brilliant game called "Nuclear War," a completely tongue-in-cheek card game where you try to bomb the other players. You get a population of people and so many people get killed with each bomb, plus effects for fallout and shelters, etc. It sounds grim when I describe it but it is funny, but only if you know it's funny because you lived thru the era of knowing where your nearest shelter was and Stings' "Russians", etc. My brother and I have a riotous time playing, but my (now 21-year-old) sister just doesn't get it. Actually, I'm glad for that, that there is finally a generation not living with that fear; on the other hand, they've got other things to worry about, like massive pollution. I just read that Knoxville is in the top 10 for air pollution. Knoxville!! ugh. *B* Barbara Cohen, Lunatic University of Tennessee, Knoxville ************************************ Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:58:27 -0500 From: "Julie Sweeney" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #113 Robin wrote: > What Thomas said about he and his girlfriend planning to meet up on the > beach after the apocalypse is very cool. I feel as if today's generation > of people (I think anyone born in the 1980s or later) has no idea of the > sort of effect it had on our generation, to grow up under the constant > menace of The Bomb... that we could lose everything forever thanks to one > moment of stupidity in some official office somewhere. Damien & I have discussed this very thing exactly, especially as it applies to TMDR's early music... with its frequent Cold War references. Damien has always marvelled at what a profound influence it (the Cold War) must have had on Thomas, and wondered how that can be; I think we in the States have been EXTREMELY sheltered from its influence. We are separated by an ocean, half a world away, from the seat of the, uh, tension... I can't imagine sharing a continent. I recall an intense discussion of this very topic in one of my college German classes... during some study of post-WWII literature... the gist of which was how extremely real, on a daily basis, that struggle was for those who lived in such close proximity to it. I would really love to learn more about it; it is on the "someday" reading pile at this point. > Recently I've come to realize that almost all of my career choices as an > adult have subconsciously revolved in some way around how this or that skill > would be most useful, or which geographic location would be best, once > civilization is gone completely. It's probably also the reason why I have > instinctively never gone in much for computers (???) Hmm... We have friends who have four boys, and in response to the frequent comments he gets from people... "Wow! That's a big family!" and so forth... their dad Jim's standard response is "Hell, in the post-apocalyptic world, I'm going to need these boys to farm!" And one last comment... Damien just reminded me that he and his brothers have a little acronym by which they refer to anyone born around the period Robin mentioned (1980-ish)-- it is "ASW". See if you can guess what that is. Hint--think geek. Best to ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:26:24 -0400 From: "Robin" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #113 Julie wrote: > I think we in the States have been EXTREMELY > sheltered from its influence. We are separated by an ocean, half a world > away, from > the seat of the, uh, tension... I can't imagine sharing a continent. Actually all of the propaganda here in the states focused on the friction between ourselves and the USSR, that we were the two major players and that bombs would be exchanged between our two nations. With missile technology and "Star Wars" etc, being on two different continents made no difference and certainly didn't make me or anyone else I knew feel any safer. As I recall Britain was a "First Strike" priority in all of this too, because of political alliances, and no doubt they, and every other nation on earth, were worried about either "side" striking first as the effect either way would be disasterous on a global scale. In my opinion the population of Britain has cause to really brace themselves up more than anyone else and to be especially strong and tough on their own in the face of adversity whenever necessary, because of their recent past history of being under seige as well as their geographical status as an island nation. Britain had a taste of globally-oriented nuclear disaster when Chernobyl (sp??) melted down. Fallout was carried to Britain and settled there due to the earth's rotation. People I visited near Liverpool told me that, before they'd been made fully aware of this, there was a greenish sort of dust settled on everything around town & in the park where they walked their dog... the dog later developed big tumor-like masses all over his skin where the dust had touched. And my friend from Poland said they had trouble with produce and livestock after Chernobyl, as no one wanted to buy things from certain regions where the fallout hit, for fear of contamination/potential mutation. It caused quite a lot of financial worry in already struggling areas of the nation. I'm certain similar things happened all over the world. I imagine this magnified to a world scale in the event of global nuclear disaster in a deliberate war. It's no wonder people of our generation everywhere were so deeply affected! xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:35:38 +0300 From: jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com Subject: Alloy: Welcome to the hotel California... ...It's a lovely place... ;-) Hi all, thanks to the local CompuServe node I'm back on-line. The sun is shining and the beers are cold. The trip from Finland was LONG and eventful as the internal flight from JFK to San Francisco was delayed two hours due to several passengers (myself included) shouting "what the hell is that farking noise!" as we taxied out from the apron. There was a loud whining increasing in pitch and volume then stopping, this repeated slightly differently every 10 or so seconds from under where I was sitting - just over-wing. At first no one said anything but I knew that something was wrong as I fly so frequently and am an engineer by profession. Gradually the thoughts of a few people turned to murmurs and murmers turned to conversation and as we were about to turn onto the runway an American lady, myself and a few others called time-out. The first officer came down to where we were sitting and concurred that we should "maybe get it looked at" before take-off. We went back to the apron and waited for the maintenance guys. After and hour or so we got the all-clear so they pushed us back off the apron again and the noise came back. By this time I was spooked and wanted to get off. They eventually fixed a problem with a hydraulic pump and we left. The hydraulic system powers the whole system of control surfaces of the aircraft, the brakes and steering, just about everything apart from the beverage trolley that is of any importance to the flight. Thanks American Airlines. It was great. The last flight I took was forced to land in Dubai to remove a drugged crazy-woman who freaked halfway home and decided that she was going to open the door at 35,000ft. It took 3 very large Finnish guys to hold her down and she was only about 5'. Scary stuff. When the police arrived to take her away in Dubai she went ape again. I love flying... > Speaking of which... holy crap! Have you seen how much a > "plaster caster" of Thomas Dolby is going for on Ebay!? Is this for real? I couldn't find anything! > Tim Hudson wrote: About the Disky compilation. I have two sealed copied of Hyperactive compilation (see Lazlo for details) If anyone would like one let me know. ... if anyone is interested. Trades would be nice! Greetings from sunny CA. So far my preconceived ideas about the US are getting deleted quite rapidly. There was a prom at the hotel last night which was quite 'interesting'! Later. Jon ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #115 ***************************