From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #68 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Barbie and the sins of life! [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #67 ["Julie Sweeney" ] Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay ["M. R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists ["Ian Gifford" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #67 > I can't stand teaching methods that suck all the fun out of playing an > instrument. I damn near gave up playing piano when I was a kid because my > music teacher took something that was supposed to be fun and made it a > misery. I was taking from the Royal Conservatory and it just sucked ever > ounce of joy out of music for me. The breaking point came one day when I > was playing a Purcell piece and after I finished playing it I played it > again for my teacher showing him something "neat" I hd noticed on my own > if you altered the ending of the song a bit. I then got a lecture on what > a presumptuous little toad I was for daring to change the work of a great > composer like Henry Purcell and was basically told that you're only > supposed to play what's on the music infront of you. > > I was crushed and went home in tears and almost vowed never to play music > again but luckily my mom found me a music teacher who was much more > liberal in her teaching methods and taught me how to adlib, and to make my > own arrangements of other people's music instead of only playing what's > been written out for me to play and to also write my own music. I was > pretty lucky she came into my life. I can't help but wonder how many other > people have had their love for music crushed by stodgey old music teachers > who are likely bitter because they're unable to compose any works > themselves. Ah, sounds familiar. Damien took lessons when he was younger, and hated them, and quit; later in life, he took up piano again and basically taught himself everything, even delving quite extensively into music theory classes in high school and college. He still has such disdain for "formal" music lessons.... which is making our search for a decent piano teacher for our kids interesting. I agree with him to an extent; I don't want my kids to just learn to "type" what's on the page in front of them. Sight reading is a good and necessary skill to have, but it is only part of knowing how to think about music, and we both would much rather our kids have a teacher like Crackers' second one... one who can help them internalize it. Stimulate the kids' minds, for God's sake... why do it otherwise? And to tie it back to Thomas, refresh my memory... does he talk about his music education? Is he self-taught or was there some formal education there as well? And Melissa, I think Britney is a PERFECT tie-in to the Barbie conversation, and remixing is about the only useful thing you could do with her music. Sorry, all, I am very anti-Britney/Christina/Shania or any other product-like artist you can name.... but especially those three ladies named above. My eight-year old daughter has friends (and a cousin) who like Britney, who practice dancing like Britney, who want to be Britney... at EIGHT!!! Thank God my little girl is eminently sensible, and prefers Thomas, or the Barenaked Ladies, or Smashmouth, or Annie Lenox, and likes dinosaurs and Legos and sci fi and would rather be in the woods catching toads than playing Barbies or dancing to Britney Spears videos. Wow, where'd that come from!!! Sorry, had a sweaty little parent moment there, I'm back now. I return you all to your regularly scheduled TMDR conversation.... Julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:44:32 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Brian Clayton wrote: > Which version of "Radio Silence" did you get on the LP, Crackers? I've > only ever seen the "guitar version" on the Harvest Records LP, though > Lazlo's discography lists another LP with that version, but I've never > come across it. Perhaps that's the one you have? The version of Radio Silence I have on the cassette is Thomas only, no female singer. The tempo and arrangement varies as well. CRACKERS (Trying to think of nothing from hell!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:05:10 -0500 From: "M. R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay I have the one with Thomas only singing "La la la" throughout Radio Silence and the "Bongo and Fisher Price xylophone" version of She Blinded Me With Science. - - Melissa, or was that just the medication... CRACKERS wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Brian Clayton wrote: > > > Which version of "Radio Silence" did you get on the LP, Crackers? I've > > only ever seen the "guitar version" on the Harvest Records LP, though > > Lazlo's discography lists another LP with that version, but I've never > > come across it. Perhaps that's the one you have? > > The version of Radio Silence I have on the cassette is Thomas only, no > female singer. The tempo and arrangement varies as well. > > CRACKERS > (Trying to think of nothing from hell!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:32:22 -0500 From: "Ian Gifford" Subject: Re: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists Hi Elaine, I concur with Crackers on this one. I picked up the guitar in '93 after 15 years of drumming. I have a steel string but wish I had a classical. It is not a fast pick strumming kinda guitar... the strings won't take it. I suggest learning some finger-style patterns. These aren't too hard to learn and can be very beneficial (especially when you are all out of picks) If you like I can send you an email with a few easy lessons and chord types for you? What kind of songs would you like to learn first? Have fun. Ian (sorry if this gets to you twice) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:27 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Elaine Linstruth wrote: >My question, however, has to do with the type of guitar I own. It is a >classical, nylon-stringed guitar and I just want to make sure that I'm not >barking up the wrong tree altogether. If I start trying to bang out "Home >on the Range" on something meant for "Classical Gas" am I going to be >sorely frustrated? Or is a guitar a guitar? Only if you have very small hands because a classical guitar has a wider neck than an accoustic, electric, or jazz guitar. Sound wise it will still work well for campfire songs. It will just have a more mellow sound than a metal stringed accoustic. Do not put metal strings on your classical guitar though, you'll muck the neck. Only use strings specifically for that kind of guitar (the lower three strings (heavier strings) will of likely have a very light metal winding around a nylon or other synthetic core, that's okay) If you want to learn campfire songs learn the following chords. G maj, C maj, D maj. Those three chords will not only cover you for 99% of popular folk music but also about 60% of all rock songs. These are very easy chords to learn and to switch from too. Want to play in keys other than G? Grab a capo and slap it on the appropriate fret. Now that's using a cheat and you won't become a virtuoso guitarist using that method but if what you want is to start playing songs right away and to just have FUN then go for it. There's plenty of time to learn more chords and the more fun you have playing the instrument the more you'll be motivated to learn more about playing the instrument. I can't stand teaching methods that suck all the fun out of playing an instrument. I damn near gave up playing piano when I was a kid because my music teacher took something that was supposed to be fun and made it a misery. I was taking from the Royal Conservatory and it just sucked ever ounce of joy out of music for me. The breaking point came one day when I was playing a Purcell piece and after I finished playing it I played it again for my teacher showing him something "neat" I hd noticed on my own if you altered the ending of the song a bit. I then got a lecture on what a presumptuous little toad I was for daring to change the work of a great composer like Henry Purcell and was basically told that you're only supposed to play what's on the music infront of you. I was crushed and went home in tears and almost vowed never to play music again but luckily my mom found me a music teacher who was much more liberal in her teaching methods and taught me how to adlib, and to make my own arrangements of other people's music instead of only playing what's been written out for me to play and to also write my own music. I was pretty lucky she came into my life. I can't help but wonder how many other people have had their love for music crushed by stodgey old music teachers who are likely bitter because they're unable to compose any works themselves. Once you have Gmag, Cmaj, and Dmaj down pat you might want to teach yourself to play E mag, E minor, A maj, A minor, B, F, and D minor. They're all relatively simple chords and will expand the number of songs you'll be able to play dramatically CRACKERS (Have fun from hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:20:10 -0000 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: priceless lyrics Tim, talking of lyrics, wasn't it you who posted the question about which Dolby song featured the lyrics " Doctor Lawyer Indian Chief? I've racked my brains...listened to about 6 hours of Dolby stuff but still can't give you an answer. Tine says that I can't possibly be a real fan......forgive me I don't know the answer! You've put my life back into perspective I thought It would be easy...but alas I'm either going deaf or simply losing my Dolby touch. The shame is unbearable... Please tell us so that we may kick ourselves violently where it really hurts! Trevor... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Hudson To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: Alloy: priceless lyrics > > Hi, > > I roared out loud with laughter at this from yesterdays postings: > > "But I was mostly pleased with the CD for including the lyrics thus it > was I finally discovered that Flying North does not contain the line > "Knickers steaming in the chilly air of the morning." > > What an awesome combination of cinematic music and imagination! > > I cant remember who posted it now - but it was a good one. > > Much laughter. > > Tim. > > -- > Tim Hudson > tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, > all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:15:14 -0000 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay > Hi Folks, > Would you would be so kind as to satisfy my curiosity about a > purchase I made on eBay? I bought another CD copy of "Wireless" > which was described as having extended versions of songs like the EP. > It has a short version of "Science" and a long one of "Airwaves". > The seller claimed it was rare but once I got it, I realized I > already had that version. Mary, I'm not sure which versions of Science and Airwaves I have?, but I do have another pressing of TGAOW with only 9 tracks on it including The Wreck Of the Fairchild, but no Science or One of Our Submarines. Both pressings look identical except of course for the track listing and a printed promo marking on the latter..Also it may be worth noting that the later version was also notes EMI Australia as the place it was printed!! I've been told that here in England the 1 track version is the rarer but in the States, the version with The wreck of the Fairchild is rarer. I don't know how true this holds though as it took me ages to get hold of the WOTF version. Another thing that has played on my mind is the question of whether there has ever been a CD version of the Blinded by Science EP? I was once offered a copy, sent the cheque, but never received the goods.....I wondered then if this item even exists? . I'm bendistraw (which is my > stage name for the rock band, Breeder Hips, that my best friend and I > had dreams of starting - an OT tie in!). If you're someone who would > prefer I don't bid against you, drop me (not Alloy!) an email with > your member name. My address: > > Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com Mary, I was recently outbid for the Rockula video that Robin mentioned...However I have no hard feelings I know this is going to a Dolby fan..........My name on Ebay is TBlagg...pretty easy to see it's me....but don't worry about bidding against me, I won't take offence, I leave that sort of thing to my hit man..... Trevor.... ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #68 **************************