From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #67 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, March 15 2001 Volume 06 : Number 067 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Naked Barbies and JFK- And a Dolby Tie-in ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: priceless lyrics ["Tim Hudson" ] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #66 ["Julie Sweeney" ] Re: Alloy: Mutant Barbies [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay [Jon Drukman ] Alloy: Beatnik in the news [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay [Brian Clayton ] Alloy: last day for Tommy Awards ["Robin" ] Alloy: Putting everything in perspective ["M. R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay [Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Naked Barbies and JFK- And a Dolby Tie-in He he he- I can tie this back into TMDR! In the March 8th issue of Westword (free Denver Weekly) Pat Calhoun has an article about a girl in Boulder who's science fair project was to test the racial perceptions of adults at her father's workplace and of fifth-graders at her school. She used two Barbie dolls - one black, one white and dressed them in either a plain dress or a fancy purple dress and asked which was prettier. The adults consistently favored the doll with the purple dress while the fifth-graders always picked the white doll no matter what she was wearing. The Mesa Elementary officials yanked the exhibit claiming it violated the school's non-discriminatory policy. The school caught a lot of flack about violating the girl's free speech rights. Now for the TMDR tie-in. The headline of the article: "Blinded by Science Boulder throws another Barbie on the fire." full article: http://www.westword.com/issues/2001-03-08/calhoun.html - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "CRACKERS" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Naked Barbies and JFK > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Julie Sweeney wrote: > > > Crackers--you'll be pleased to know that the tendency toward naked Barbies > > is universal among little kids... I don't even know how many we have, but > > it's safe to say whenever the Barbie box gets opened, they will be found > > unclothed. (which is why the headless/armless ones are kind of disturbing). > > I've noticed too that the black barbies have much nicer asses than the > white barbies. > > Maybe that's a thought I should have kept to myself. > > CRACKERS > (Fine Barbie bootie from hell!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Mutant Barbies > The event was actually parodied on an episode of the Simpsons with one > little girl having a Malibu Stacy talking doll whose voicebox was switched > with a Spider-man doll. In the spirit of all Alloyeds being set on the straight-and-narrow (and having been a relative Simpsons-fanatic for years), I must say that this stuff is not *entirely* true. I've watched The Simpsons every Sunday for a long time. It's kind-of a big deal for us. We love it. On the episode of the Simpsons in question, that I'm thinking of, the girl didn't switch a voicebox with another doll: She merely had the creator of Malibu Stacey get involved with the commercialization and dumbing-down of girls through the stereotypical Barbiesque schtick. The creator helped the Simpsons character (Lisa) create a new talking doll which espoused very collegiate, astute observations about life. Comic ironies in this include (but are not limited to) the fact that "collegiate" refers to liberal-arts-only, "astute" is subjective of course, and the fact that the main Simpsons Malibu-Stacey-expert which helped Lisa, is an obviously gay man named Smithers. And, there ya go. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:00:31 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: priceless lyrics Hi, I roared out loud with laughter at this from yesterdays postings: "But I was mostly pleased with the CD for including the lyrics thus it was I finally discovered that Flying North does not contain the line "Knickers steaming in the chilly air of the morning." What an awesome combination of cinematic music and imagination! I cant remember who posted it now - but it was a good one. Much laughter. Tim. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:38:20 -0600 From: "Julie Sweeney" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V6 #66 > I've noticed too that the black barbies have much nicer asses than the > white barbies. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for making me spit out my coffee.... > > Maybe that's a thought I should have kept to myself. Not at all.... it's just what one expects to hear at a cocktail party... which is an EXCELLENT analogy, by the way. Julie wanting a switched-chip Barbie in the worst way ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists Sorry to (again) post mostly OT, but I have a question that some of you musicians might help me answer. For this past Christmas, my gift was a guitar, which I've wanted for years. Trying to figure out how to PLAY the darned thing has proven as difficult as I expected, but also the method seems to be lacking. And boring. They have me plucking an e-string endlessly, I assume in an attempt to teach proper technique. A good friend has suggested I instead try getting some sheet music and strumming chords to songs I already know. This seems like a great idea, seeing as all I really want to do is play campfire songs and kids tunes. The logical thing would be to get and practice campfire songs and kids tunes! My question, however, has to do with the type of guitar I own. It is a classical, nylon-stringed guitar and I just want to make sure that I'm not barking up the wrong tree altogether. If I start trying to bang out "Home on the Range" on something meant for "Classical Gas" am I going to be sorely frustrated? Or is a guitar a guitar? Any advice would be very appreciated! Thanks. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA, USA " 'Necessity' is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: Mutant Barbies On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Elaine Linstruth wrote: > a voicebox with another doll: She merely had the creator of Malibu Stacey > get involved with the commercialization and dumbing-down of girls through > the stereotypical Barbiesque schtick. The creator helped the Simpsons > character (Lisa) create a new talking doll which espoused very collegiate, > astute observations about life. No, I mearly meant that the event was parodied in a simpsons. When Lisa was outraged at what her doll was saying she asked her friends "Does anyone else find something wrong with what Malibu Stacy is saying." One little girl said "There's something wrong with what my Malibu Stacy is saying." When she pulled the string her Malibu Stacy said "My Spider-Sense is tingling... did anyone call for a web-slinger?" That little scene there was a nod-and-a-wink to the great Barbie chip-swap event. CRACKERS (I'll see you at Stacy Con 98 from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:27 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: OT - Calling All Guitarists On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Elaine Linstruth wrote: > My question, however, has to do with the type of guitar I own. It is a > classical, nylon-stringed guitar and I just want to make sure that I'm not > barking up the wrong tree altogether. If I start trying to bang out "Home > on the Range" on something meant for "Classical Gas" am I going to be > sorely frustrated? Or is a guitar a guitar? Only if you have very small hands because a classical guitar has a wider neck than an accoustic, electric, or jazz guitar. Sound wise it will still work well for campfire songs. It will just have a more mellow sound than a metal stringed accoustic. Do not put metal strings on your classical guitar though, you'll muck the neck. Only use strings specifically for that kind of guitar (the lower three strings (heavier strings) will of likely have a very light metal winding around a nylon or other synthetic core, that's okay) If you want to learn campfire songs learn the following chords. G maj, C maj, D maj. Those three chords will not only cover you for 99% of popular folk music but also about 60% of all rock songs. These are very easy chords to learn and to switch from too. Want to play in keys other than G? Grab a capo and slap it on the appropriate fret. Now that's using a cheat and you won't become a virtuoso guitarist using that method but if what you want is to start playing songs right away and to just have FUN then go for it. There's plenty of time to learn more chords and the more fun you have playing the instrument the more you'll be motivated to learn more about playing the instrument. I can't stand teaching methods that suck all the fun out of playing an instrument. I damn near gave up playing piano when I was a kid because my music teacher took something that was supposed to be fun and made it a misery. I was taking from the Royal Conservatory and it just sucked ever ounce of joy out of music for me. The breaking point came one day when I was playing a Purcell piece and after I finished playing it I played it again for my teacher showing him something "neat" I hd noticed on my own if you altered the ending of the song a bit. I then got a lecture on what a presumptuous little toad I was for daring to change the work of a great composer like Henry Purcell and was basically told that you're only supposed to play what's on the music infront of you. I was crushed and went home in tears and almost vowed never to play music again but luckily my mom found me a music teacher who was much more liberal in her teaching methods and taught me how to adlib, and to make my own arrangements of other people's music instead of only playing what's been written out for me to play and to also write my own music. I was pretty lucky she came into my life. I can't help but wonder how many other people have had their love for music crushed by stodgey old music teachers who are likely bitter because they're unable to compose any works themselves. Once you have Gmag, Cmaj, and Dmaj down pat you might want to teach yourself to play E mag, E minor, A maj, A minor, B, F, and D minor. They're all relatively simple chords and will expand the number of songs you'll be able to play dramatically CRACKERS (Have fun from hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:53:14 -0800 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay At 11:12 PM 3/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >it!). Anyway, will people please post what version of the CD they own >so I can empirically (hey, would you guys expect anything less of >me?!;-) determine which one is rare? Thanks! i have the short science, long airwaves one. (capitol CDP 7 46009 2) - -jsd- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:13:47 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Beatnik in the news Beatnik and Music Labels Team to Deliver Interactive Music To Consumers on the Web Remixed by Millions of Users, Labels Embrace Beatnik's Mixman Technology; BMG, Emperor Norton, Island/Def Jam, Kinetic Grooves and Ninja Tune SAN MATEO, Calif., March 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Beatnik, Inc., a leader in enhanced audio solutions and content for digital devices, games and the Web, today announced several long-term alliances with major and independent recording labels and artists to produce an impressive new collection of Mixman eMixes(TM) and Mixman Singles(TM). These deals represent the continued adoption of Beatnik's Mixman(R) product line as a premium online vehicle for popular artists to promote their latest music to millions of fans around the world. "We have received incredible feedback and support from both the record labels and artists, who view our Mixman eMixes and Singles as secure and engaging vehicles to deliver their music to millions of fans online, in recording studios and clubs around the world," said Thomas Dolby Robertson, founder and chief Beatnik, Beatnik, Inc. "Beatnik's Mixman eMixes are one of the only online applications that allow music fans to trade their own personalized version of songs. This has proven to be a fantastic method for keeping the fans glued to a Web site for long periods of time." Mixman eMixes, remixed by millions of users online, allow fans to interact with songs from their favorite artists on a personal level, remixing a song's individual elements, such as guitars, drums, vocals, keyboards and bass simply by pointing and clicking. Fans can send their personalized eMixes to friends via email and enter them in contests. Mixman Singles are remixable versions of popular songs, specially designed to work with Mixman software, enabling users to create their own custom remixes to download offline or upload to Mixman Radio. Beatnik works closely with artists and record labels to bring music fans these special interactive versions of music from some of the world's top producers and underground musicians. Labels and Artists Chose Beatnik as Web Promotional Partner New major and independent labels have joined Beatnik's already impressive list of label partners including Elektra, Interscope, Pookie Records/Beyond Music, V2, Virgin and Zomba in creating Beatnik Mixman eMixes and Mixman Singles to use as Web promotions for their top acts. Beatnik has expanded its relationship with BMG to include new eMixes from Christina Aguilera and Love, Inc. Beatnik and BMG will co-produce Mixman eMixes from leading label acts and recording artists for syndication on a network of sites which includes CDNow, MTV.com and Shockwave.com. Specifically, the Love, Inc. Mixman eMix, will also be played on Click2Music.ca and Futureshop.ca. Emperor Norton and Beatnik released two Mixman Singles from artists DJ Me DJ You and Pepe Deluxe. DJ Me DJ You can be found at Beatnik.com and the Pepe Deluxe "Big M" promotional Mixman Single is available now on Beatnik.com and Mixman.com. Following the successful release of L.L. Cool J's "Imagine That" Mixman eMix on DefJam.com, Island/Def Jam records and Beatnik produced a new Mixman eMix from artist Roni Size. The Roni Size eMix will be featured on MTV.com and Island/Def Jam sites. Beatnik and Kinetic Grooves have produced two Mixman Singles this year. The well-received and hip "Movin n' Groovin'" Mixman Single can be found on Mixman.com and the recently launched "San Fran Disco" Mixman Single is for sale on Mixman.com, linking to the MTV.com and Beatnik.com co-branded e-commerce site. Both Mixman Singles come from artists and label producers Sen-Sei and David Coleman. Sen-Sei and Coleman's new CD entitled "Groove Traxx" hit National distribution in January. Beatnik and Ninja Tune produced their first Mixman Single with Artist Coldcut's hit "More Beats & Pieces" that can be remixed on Mixman.com. Ninja Tune also plans to offer several for-sale Mixman Singles due out next year. About Beatnik Beatnik offers scalable, high-quality audio solutions for digital devices, games and the Web through a combination of technology, content and services. Beatnik's solution includes a line of platform applications, production music, sound content and the Mixman software product line, enabling the integration of enhanced audio. Beatnik develops, markets and sells its sonification technology to a community of creative professionals, technology licensees and consumers. Incorporated in 1996, Beatnik was founded by musician and composer Thomas Dolby Robertson. Mixman Technologies, Inc. was acquired by Beatnik in December 1999. QUOTE ADDENDUM "No Authority, Maverick's only teen boys band, has a huge and extremely dedicated Internet audience who is excited to have the opportunity to remix a pop radio hit such as "Can I Get Your Number," says Maverick's Julie Wright. "Mixman eMixes offer an interactivity with the song which is both new, creative and stimulating for teenage girls who visit No Authority's Web site several times a day! Moreover, by partnering with third-party sites, eMixes give other Internet users a chance to discover talented new acts such as No Authority." "BMG is committed to advancing the digital connection between our artists and their fans," said Bill Wilson, Senior Vice President, Worldwide Marketing, BMG Entertainment. "Beatnik's Mixman eMixes(TM) and Mixman Singles(TM) provide great exposure for our artists' music in a way that is unique and engaging for users." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, CRACKERS wrote: > I have the SSLA (Short Science - Long Airwaves) version of TGAOW on CD > which freaked me out when I first listened to it because I didn't know > there were different versions of the songs other than the ones that are on > the cassett which are LSSA (Long Science - Short Airwaves). I, too, have the SS-LA version of the CD. I don't think I've seen the LS-SA version anywhere on CD, though the most popular version of the LP here in the US after the release of "Science" was LS-SA. > I was disappointed with the short version of Science because the longer > version is better, but thrilled with the longer version of Airwaves and > the completely different version of Radio Silence. Which version of "Radio Silence" did you get on the LP, Crackers? I've only ever seen the "guitar version" on the Harvest Records LP, though Lazlo's discography lists another LP with that version, but I've never come across it. Perhaps that's the one you have? > But I was mostly pleased with the CD for including the lyrics thus it was > I finally discovered that Flying North does not contain the line "Knickers > steaming in the chilly air of the morning." "Seems she ran aground on the rover..." BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:02:01 -0500 From: "Robin" Subject: Alloy: last day for Tommy Awards If you haven't cast your votes in the 2001 Tommy Awards, now's the time to do so! The contest officially closes tomorrow... so please head over to http://www.thomasdolby.com and follow the links to the official ballot form. Best of luck everyone! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:45:56 -0500 From: "M. R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Putting everything in perspective Recently, I decided that I was going to take a vacation from Alloy because something bothered me enough to make me want to leave this community. Then, today, a friend called me to tell me about a piece he just had published on the Slate website this morning - very Swiftian (if that's a real adjective) piece on Northern secession - the response to which included suggestions for him to do things physically impossible, morally reprehensible, and the thought that he should have been aborted. He's received e-mail death threats and dozens of messages telling him he is the reason America is in the toilet. Somehow, my recent difficulty at Alloy seems pale - transparent even. So much for the vacation. And thanks, my friend Mark, wherever you're hiding from angry Southerners tonight, for changing my world view. - - Melissa, freaked out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:09:41 -0500 From: "M. R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: Mixman Differences Now that I have a cable modem, I've been playing around with all sorts of stuff at Shockwave (and bless Atom Films for amusing the hell out of me.) Please don't laugh, but I love remixing Britney Spears' "Oops I Did It Again" (it reminds me of an ABBA song, seriously!), which I have been accessing via the Beatnik site. Well, I just noticed that you can get to the Mixman stuff at Shockwave, so I decided just now to see how fast it all loaded with the cable modem - - about five seconds (this is soooo cool.) However, via Shockwave, there are far fewer choices for altering the mix (fewer separate instruments to manipulate.) Some of the instruments have been compressed and replaced with a box featuring clips of Britney. (Okay, for the record, I can't believe I'm bringing up Britney Spears on Alloy. Just had to say that.) Why the changes? It's more challenging to play with more instruments independently, although this compression gives you instantly a more lush sound. Is this just an alteration to keep the average visually-stimulated Shockwave user interested? Buehler? Buehler? Just curious (not that I actually expect any of you to even answer a question about me mixing Britney Spears' songs...) Cringing slightly, Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:08:51 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay I've got the SS-LA version of the TGAOW on CD, and it was probably one of the very early pressings of the CD. I got it way back before I even had a CD player when it first came out. As for the TGAOW album, I have the popular synthy Radio Silence on the standard Capitol label release, and the rocky Radio Silence on an otherwise completely identical record (sleeve, label, etc). So outwardly there is no way of telling them apart. You have to listen to them. Also of interesting note on the orange covered Hyperactive compilation CD, the version of May The Cube Be With You has some words changed. Instead of saying "drop some bombs on Maggie Thatcher" he says "take it out on Maggie Thatcher". I wonder if some people had problems with the line and he rerecorded it? Just noticed this the other day while in the car singing along, and something just didn't sound right. Has anyone noticed this version on other CDs or 12" releases? - -Russell http://www.pobox.com/~milliner/ ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #67 **************************