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alloy-digest Wednesday, March 14 2001 Volume 06 : Number 066
Today's Subjects:
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Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com]
Alloy: unsubscribers [Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu>]
Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity [Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@bingham]
Re: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity ["Keith Stansell" <Keith@Sta]
Re: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity [Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@bin]
Re: Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance [CJMark@aol.com]
Re: Alloy: ESSENTIAL THOMAS DOLBY [Russell Milliner <milliner@pobox.com>]
Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuser]
Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
Alloy: Is that a Strap-on in your pocket... [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
Re: Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.o]
Re: Alloy: Names for a Rock Band [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
Re: Alloy: TIM and SLARV [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
Re: Alloy: Audrey Hepburn U2 Submarine 'sample' donuts tanks be bop [CRAC]
Re: Alloy: Audrey Hepburn U2 Submarine 'sample' donuts tanks be bop [CRAC]
Re: Alloy: Naked Barbies and JFK [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
Re: Alloy: Mutant Barbies [CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>]
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:34 +0200
From: jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com
Subject: Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance
Hi all,
CRACKERS articulated:
>You know as a mild mannered stay-at-home dad by day
>and a beer swilling pub playing accordionist by night many
>people might be suprised to hear that a good portion of my
>day is spend playing with Barbies.
etc. etc.
Well LOL!
I spent six months at home with my son when he was tiny and
my language skills regressed to baby-talk in no time. I found your
description hilarious! Thank you!
The only problem was my laugther attracted the attention of my
wife who then demanded a full description, omitting no detail,
which took my half an hour...
BTW; where are you from? I keep getting the feeling that you are
English. I don't know exactly why but it has got something to do
with the turn of phrase and comic assides.
Slarv and CRACKERS offered:
> They want young guys with washboard abs and square
> jaws and girls with heaving cleavage and tiny waists.
>
Well *I* want the latter. Where do I sign up?
I can help. They are at this very moment festooning the poolside
where I am sitting. The hotel caters mainly for Scandinavians and
sheesh it's a pool with a view!
At the risk of being politically incorrect there are two blonde
Danish young ladies that almost make the water overflow when
they go in above the waist! The truss! Bring the steel harness
and ointment!!
> It's about cock teasing 13 year old boys so that they'll see
> the fresh young face of that new female pop sensation as
> they experience the crimson thrill of their first wet dream.
>
> Blimey, you've been listening to 'The Key to Her Ferrari'
> again, haven't you, you naughty boy.
...and as I reached the magic hundred my love, oh!... etc.
...it's a powerful image.
That's one of the things that I really like about Thomas' work. It
has such versatility. He can be very subtle and obverse when the
mood takes him but at other times the directness of the imagry
can be brutal an intoxicating. When I first heard 'The Key' I was
unsure about it after over-dosingon TFE which was a lot more my
bag but hell nowdays it's my number one tidying-up-the-bloody-
living-room track
>You're in great company. What did JFK call himself in >Berlin?
A German Sausage,
>wasn't it? Boy, I'd love to have been there for that.
JFK said, "ich bin ein Berliner." which translated means either I
am a jelly donut or, as he actually meant (his speech was written
for him, he didn't speak German) 'today I am also a citizen of
Berlin' - signifying his affiliation with the people and their struggle
against the forces of the nast Nazis.
There has been a lot written about this, mainly by people that
don't understand the nuance of the phrase to try and make out
that he was a fool. Whether that was true is not for me to say but
I do understand the language and it is ridiculous that one of the
most powerful men on the planet would proclaim to a keenly
listening world-aidience that he was a bakery product of any kind!
>That's the myth anyway :)
It's no myth. Everyone has seen that footage and if you
understand the language it's quite clear.
(mind you, I thought his head did look a bit sugary ;->)
Greetings all from sunny Thailand - the land of smiles; to which I
have heartily contributed today!
Jon
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:43:36 -0500
From: Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Alloy: unsubscribers
For those who are wondering, the person who wrote in expressing their
disappointment with the list has been unsubbed. Please don't feel bad,
anyone. I personally enjoy the friendly interaction on this list and I
know many of you here feel the same way. Alloy wouldn't be the same
without our occasionally venturing into "OT" territory - very much like
a cocktail party as Beth describes. The core thing being that our
admiration for TMDR unites us and has brought us here... it's fun to
have chats and get to know one another. Everyone who subscribes is
welcome to join in as much or as little as they please & I always do my
best to make people feel welcome when they first join, as I think
everyone here does.
I got a letter a couple of months ago from someone who'd just joined,
who wrote to me in a state of high drama saying his Alloy subscription
was "a living hell!!!" and he wanted me to unsub him immediately. I
wrote to him to ask what the matter was and if i could help... turned
out, it was simply that - as low-volume and on-topic as we were for the
week he was a member - it was too much for him to keep up with at work.
I asked him if he'd prefer the Alloy-digest version but I think by that
time he was a little embarrassed by his overreaction & just decided to
unsub... though he was warmly invited back anytime of course. Sometimes
I think people react dramatically to situations when the internet is
involved, in ways they'd never act in person. IMO there's nothing wrong
with a bit of drama, but it must be remembered that it's strong stuff
and should only be used for the good, not evil :)
xxxxx
Robin T
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:05:03 -0500
From: Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity
the strangest thing has just happened & I'm really delighted! As some
of you know I belong to an art list & I just recently introduced myself,
mentioning my fish Midge. One of the other artists on the list wrote in
and asked if the fish is named after Midge Ure & in fact it is... when
my friend Shannon gave it to me just before Christmas, we talked for a
while & for some reason Midge Ure came up in the conversation, so this
is what the fish ended up being called.
The artist on my list has just told me she's working with Mr Ure and is
assisting in his arrangements to come to NYC in early May for an art
event, and also a concert. She thinks he'd love to know there's a fish
named after him & wants me to come to the event.
Funny!!! But how will I show my face to a man I named a fish after
(even if it is a pretty cobalt blue one)?
LOL
xxxxx
Robin T
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:18:37 -0700
From: "Keith Stansell" <Keith@Stansell.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity
Cool story, but I was hoping you were going to say the art event included
some of Dave's painting. THEN, that would be just too weird and a bit
spooky.
I guess you just say - hi, I'm Robin, my fish is named after you because I
thought it was a cool name (and try not to giggle or go into fan-girl mode
and start babbling about - but I don't think you look like or fish, or the
fish looks like you, or that you are slimey or anything or should be under
water...).
- -Keith
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Thurlow" <rthurlow@binghamton.edu>
To: <alloy@smoe.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity
>
> the strangest thing has just happened & I'm really delighted! As some
> of you know I belong to an art list & I just recently introduced myself,
> mentioning my fish Midge. One of the other artists on the list wrote in
> and asked if the fish is named after Midge Ure & in fact it is... when
> my friend Shannon gave it to me just before Christmas, we talked for a
> while & for some reason Midge Ure came up in the conversation, so this
> is what the fish ended up being called.
>
> The artist on my list has just told me she's working with Mr Ure and is
> assisting in his arrangements to come to NYC in early May for an art
> event, and also a concert. She thinks he'd love to know there's a fish
> named after him & wants me to come to the event.
>
> Funny!!! But how will I show my face to a man I named a fish after
> (even if it is a pretty cobalt blue one)?
>
> LOL
> xxxxx
> Robin T
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:13:37 -0500
From: Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Re: Alloy: (OT) Midge Ure fish synchronicity
Actually the conversation about Mr Ure between me and my friend got
started when she called up memories of the old "Do They Know It's
Christmas" recording... she was remembering when Sting was interviewed &
he called Midge "Smidge" (I believe Midge co-wrote the song and was
heavily involved with the recording of it & Sting was making fun of
him). The Smidge thing would probably make for a bad
conversation-started too. I'll probably just say hi and tell him about
our plans to visit Scotland, as I am almost positive Midge Ure is from
Scotland... hopefully I haven't gone completely insane and am
misremembering everything now... but I hope not to focus on the fish
*too* much if we do get to chat... :)
Keith Stansell wrote:
> Cool story, but I was hoping you were going to say the art event included
> some of Dave's painting. THEN, that would be just too weird and a bit
> spooky.
>
Who knows, maybe some other time? Spooky things seem to follow me
around!
xxxx
Robin T
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:48:43 EST
From: CJMark@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance
Hey Jonathan..
Where is that pool again? Actually.. I am doing some research on Thailand
right now.. specifically Bangkok. Are you there much longer?
Mark
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:23:25 -0500
From: Russell Milliner <milliner@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Alloy: ESSENTIAL THOMAS DOLBY
I'd like the scan of the cover for my website. I'll give credit.
thanx
- -Russell Milliner
http://www.pobox.com/~milliner/
PAULO GONZALEZ wrote:
>
> Tim Hudson wrote:
>
> > Re Paulos stuff from Brazil.....I found that very interesting. You
> mentioned
> > a CD that was released in Brazil with get out of my mix and the search
> > for truth etc....is this the 12 x 12 Original remixes album or something
> > else? What record label was it on?
>
> No, it is not 12 x 12.
> The CD is called ESSENTIAL THOMAS DOLBY and it is more or less like the
> HYPERACTIVE compilation or the PREMIUM GOLD COLLECTION:
> almost the same songs with a different running order.
> The label is EMI.
>
> I did not find it in US/UK catalogues
> and I think it is strange that it was only
> released in Brazil because Thomas songs don't play on the radio anymore
> and neither Thomas nor EMI Brazil would promote/suport the release.
> Anyway, it is good to see it in the stores.
>
> The last of his songs to play on the radio was THE BEAUTY OF A DREAM.
> I realy don't know how it made it into a light FM radio station, because
> ASTRONAUTS wasn't released here. It was the only radio station to play it.
> The single version is great, but I think I prefer the album version.
>
> Around the same time (1992/93) I was home and the radio was on, but I wasn't
> paying attention to the music. Until all of a sudden the D.J.
> announced SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE.
> That was a hell of a surprise, because in 2 seconds I was astonished
> listening to
> a LIVE version of SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE.
> The sound quality was excelent, and the version was like the one on
> LIVE WIRELESS.
>
> Did Thomas released this LIVE VERSION officially ???
> What single has She blinded Me With Science LIVE ???
> Does anyone know this ???
>
> The track listing of ESSENTIAL THOMAS DOLBY is:
>
> 1 HYPERACTIVE
> 2 RADIO SILENCE
> 3 SHE BLINDED ME WITH SCIENCE
> 4 AIRWAVES
> 5 WEIGHLESS
> 6 WINDPOWER
> 7 THE FLAT EARTH
> 8 SCREEN KISS
> 9 MULU THE RAIN FOREST
> 10 WHITE CITY (the cd reads WRITE CITY)
> 11 GET OUT OF MY MIX (single 5:24)
> 12 ONE OF OUR SUBMARINES
> 13 THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH PART 1
> 14 THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH PART 2
>
> Tim:
> I will e-mail you privatly a scan of the front cover of this cd. I don't do
> it through Alloy because Robin advised us not to attach things because the
> e-mail
> will be filtered.
>
> If anyone wants to see the scan of the cover of this CD, just ask me and I
> will send you privatly.
> In fact this CD is nothing special, just something different.
> Bye
> Paulo
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:12:26 -0500
From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com>
Subject: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay
Hi Folks,
Would you would be so kind as to satisfy my curiosity about a
purchase I made on eBay? I bought another CD copy of "Wireless"
which was described as having extended versions of songs like the EP.
It has a short version of "Science" and a long one of "Airwaves".
The seller claimed it was rare but once I got it, I realized I
already had that version. However, Stephen has the other version,
i.e., the one with the extended "Science" and short "Airwaves" so
it's his copy now (and rightfully so since he wanted me to bid on
it!). Anyway, will people please post what version of the CD they own
so I can empirically (hey, would you guys expect anything less of
me?!;-) determine which one is rare? Thanks!
And speaking of eBay, I feel a kinship with the members of Alloy
so if I see someone whose name I recognize bidding for a Dolby item,
unless I really, really want it, I usually don't place a bid. Robin,
Melissa, and Russell have names or addresses that are obvious but
others aren't. Take mine, for instance. I'm bendistraw (which is my
stage name for the rock band, Breeder Hips, that my best friend and I
had dreams of starting - an OT tie in!). If you're someone who would
prefer I don't bid against you, drop me (not Alloy!) an email with
your member name. My address:
Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com
Thanks!
Mary
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:39:51 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Wireless versions and eBay
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Mary A. Brown wrote:
> it!). Anyway, will people please post what version of the CD they own
> so I can empirically (hey, would you guys expect anything less of
> me?!;-) determine which one is rare? Thanks!
I have the SSLA (Short Science - Long Airwaves) version of TGAOW on CD
which freaked me out when I first listened to it because I didn't know
there were different versions of the songs other than the ones that are on
the cassett which are LSSA (Long Science - Short Airwaves).
I was disappointed with the short version of Science because the longer
version is better, but thrilled with the longer version of Airwaves and
the completely different version of Radio Silence.
But I was mostly pleased with the CD for including the lyrics thus it was
I finally discovered that Flying North does not contain the line "Knickers
steaming in the chilly air of the morning."
> others aren't. Take mine, for instance. I'm bendistraw (which is my
> stage name for the rock band, Breeder Hips, that my best friend and I
> had dreams of starting - an OT tie in!).
On E-bay I'm known as "Crackers_the_accordionist_from_hell".
I only ever had one auction and it ended with me getting stiffed by the
would-be buyer and that put me off the whole Ebay thing right there. It
was for several dozen Famicom disquettes.
I've bid on a few items, but I'm a cheap bastard and usually get outbid
immediately and when I am outbid on the most I will pay for an item I
don't play the "well just one more dollar" game. The maximum I'm going to
pay is the maximum I'm going to pay.
I usually scroll through looking at old video game stuff for the Atari
2600. It's amazing what E-bay has done to that hobby. On the one hand rare
carts in my collection that used to be worth $100 or more are now selling
for only about $20. Once John and Jane Public heard there was money to be
made selling old Atari carts they began emptying out their garages and
attics and the market place became flooded with "rare" items. But the
reverse is extremely common carts that used to be worth 10 cents are now
selling for a dollar or two because more "newbies" are getting into the
hobby.
The other odd thing is some of the prices people will pay for old synths.
I'm not talking about the old analogue synths which have been starting to
fetch high prices for over a decade now (although some of them are getting
rediculously high bids) I'm talking about crappy mid 80's digital consumer
market kid's toys from Casio and Yamaha. Things like the increadably lame
Yamaha SHS-10, which has crappiest of 4-op FM sounds (shudder), those
blasted evil mini-keys (well... it was a kid's toy and those mini-keys are
easier for little fingers) all in a psudeo strap-on midi controller
package (no velocity, no after touch, modulation was strickly on/off).
These things are selling for $125 to $150 US on Ebay... they only cost
$99 CND brand new when they first came out ('86/'87 abouts).
Granted for a toy keyboard it has a lot going with it, but c'mon. By 1990
these things were garage sale fodder at $10- $15. Hell I bought mine only
4 years ago for $15. There are some cool things you can do with it, but
not $150 cool. I don't know why anyone would pay that much for this toy
when for maybe only $100 more you can buy a used professional midi
strap-on controller like the old Roland, Korg, and Casio ones. I keep
seeing that old Roland one from the 80s... what was it called? Roland
MK-303 or something like that? show up in pawnshops for around $200. Often
I've wondered if it's the same keyboard getting bought and pawned, bought
and pawned over and over again. Granted the pro strap-on controllers don't
make any nose of their own or play drum/bass/chord auto-accompanyment. But
c'mon... 4-op FM with no velocity. People arn't buying these things
because of the sound. The only thing I can figure is that people who don't
know what they are are buying them for midi controllers. None of the
pictures show the keyboards with any items that would give you an idea of
the scale and none of the descriptions mention mini-keys or no velocity
control, etc. So I think the people buying them believe they are buying
full sized professional midi controllers and don't know they're just kid's
toys.
CRACKERS
(ebay rants from hell!!!!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:41:27 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Alloy: Is that a Strap-on in your pocket...
And speaking of strap-ons.....
Thomas, if you're reading: If you still have that Casio AX-1 strap-on midi
controller (the one you spray painted black and stuck bits of mirrors on
in that 1988 Keyboard Magazine photo shoot) and if you are ever moved for
whatever reasons to sell it could you PLEASE (I'm on bended knee here) let
me know first so I have at least a chance to buy it from you. I've been
really wanting to get a good strap-on for sometime now for live shows. I
hate being tied down behind a stack of keys. I wanna run and jump and play
like the guitarists do. And needless to say I would be thrilled beyond all
human experience to be able to perform on one of your old axes. So if you
ever go to upgrade (that is if you haven't already) please throw me a
bone. Same goes really for any other old gear you're thinking of tossing
on the garage sale heap.
CRACKERS
(Ribbed for your pleasure from hell!!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:51:10 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Zen and the art of pool-maintenance
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com wrote:
> BTW; where are you from? I keep getting the feeling that you are
> English. I don't know exactly why but it has got something to do
> with the turn of phrase and comic assides.
I'm Canadian. It's possibly the spelling that is britishifying me since
Canadians use the same spellings as the English (with the exception of
connexion which not many of us spell that way). Or perhaps it's odd bits
of Canadian vocabulary I might use that sound particularily alien to the
American ear. Words like "chesterfield" or "touque" or "snow machine"
which are called "couch", "wool hat", and "snowmobile" south of the
border.
When I'm drinking rather much my ottawa valley accent becomes more
pronounced which has caused some people to think I'm Irish or Scottish
(well I am Irish Canadian but most of my family has been in Canada since
at least the 1920s).
CRACKERS
(And I'm 1/4 Lesbian from hell!!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:54:05 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Names for a Rock Band
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Slarvibarglhee wrote:
> Not that you'd BE absoute crap of course, it's just that you COULD be and
> still end up rich. Plenty of other people have done it.
Hmmmm... that is true. There is always the publicity aspect of being
reamed by a corporate lawsuit. And it would be a relief not to have to
worry about not being crap. It would give me that chance to make that
album of drunken fart sounds I've always been meaning to do.
CRACKERS
(Unless I got too reamed from hell!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:55:24 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: TIM and SLARV
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Slarvibarglhee wrote:
> Blimey, you've been listening to 'The Key to Her Ferrari' again, haven't you, you
> naughty boy.
That reminds me... I have to call my mother.
CRACKERS
(I was just thinking about her from hell!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:59:03 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Audrey Hepburn U2 Submarine 'sample' donuts tanks be bop
Man...
I have such a major crush on Audrey Hepburn. She's dreamy....
.... well when she was alive and young that is.
CRACKERS
(Although I'm sure she's a dreamy corpse from hell!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:00:18 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Audrey Hepburn U2 Submarine 'sample' donuts tanks be bop
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Khyron wrote:
> ENOUGH with the inane drivel!, I am unsubscribing from this list because
> all of the threads are "in" jokes and the S/N is too high.
> I've had more focused discussions with three year olds.
Who are you? Do I even know you?
CRACKERS
(What discussion from hell!!!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:01:59 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Naked Barbies and JFK
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Julie Sweeney wrote:
> Crackers--you'll be pleased to know that the tendency toward naked Barbies
> is universal among little kids... I don't even know how many we have, but
> it's safe to say whenever the Barbie box gets opened, they will be found
> unclothed. (which is why the headless/armless ones are kind of disturbing).
I've noticed too that the black barbies have much nicer asses than the
white barbies.
Maybe that's a thought I should have kept to myself.
CRACKERS
(Fine Barbie bootie from hell!!)
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:14:59 -0500 (EST)
From: CRACKERS <crackers@hwcn.org>
Subject: Re: Alloy: Mutant Barbies
On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Diva wrote:
> I still have a clipping which tells how someone swapped the chips from
> Action Men and Barbies, so that the Barbies shouted "Eat lead!" and the
> Action Men wanted to go shopping....does anyone know if this is really
> possible outside the factory....and if so, how I do it?
Oh yes I remember that. It was done back in the early 90s. A feminist
group that actually had a sense of humour (yes the world was shocked)
bought a large number of speaking Barbie dolls and a large number of
speaking GI Joes (might not have actually been Joes, may have been some
other action figure) and swapped the sound boards in both units, then
carefully repackaged them and returned them to the store.
Little boys were shocked and suprised to hear their GI Joes suddenly say
things like "Math is hard." and "I love to go to the mall." in a high
fluffidah voice. Likewise little girls were also perplexed to hear their
Barbies say such things as "Cover me, I'm going in." and "We have a man
down. Send in a medic."
The operation to swap the chips was actually quite complex and required
extensive modification to the Barbies with powertools. The proceedure was
videotaped by the group responsible and send to various press offices once
reports of the swapped doll chips started circulating.
The manufacturers offered to exchange both dolls for ones with the proper
chips but few people swapped the dolls, keeping them instead on
speculation that they'd become collector's items.
Mattel also took the hint and changed what the Barbie doll said so as not
to inspire a future generation of girls to grow up to aspire to be
fluffidahs.
The event was actually parodied on an episode of the Simpsons with one
little girl having a Malibu Stacy talking doll whose voicebox was switched
with a Spider-man doll.
CRACKERS
(A font of useless trivia from hell!!!)
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