From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #62 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, March 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: Flailing Barbies [Beth Meyer ] Alloy: Names for a Rock Band [DAbbitt32@aol.com] Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: Names for a Rock Band [CRACKERS ] Re: Alloy: Flailing Barbies ["Keith Stansell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Robin Thurlow wrote: > tattoos for everyone at Alloy :) I'm looking forward to getting to > practice managing ink flow etc. One of the techniques for training > yourself to the curves and textures of working on the human body is to > practice on Barbie dolls, with their thin coating of rubberized "skin". > Imagine the fun. Could make for a neat webpage of Barbie Tattoo art... of course it probably wouldn't take Mattel too long to threaten you with lawsuits for copyright and trademark infringment. Freakin' bastards! I swear that if mankind survives the next few centuries we'll look back on our concepts of "intellectual properties" and laugh. Of course it will be that same wry kind of laughter that we have now when we look back at the west's "rightious" justification of the Opium War. CRACKERS (Giving Barbie a pimp-slap from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: (in)famous last words... On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com wrote: > Let's not forget why we are all here. There are other places > where artists work, wishes and rights can be abused and they > are called Napster et al. They're also called Sony, EMI, and Capital. > Sorry Crackers for abusing your interlectual property from hell!!! > Damn! I did it again (from hell!!!) That's okay I'm still tied up in a lawsuit from the 80s with Matt Groening over trademarked taglines from hell. CRACKERS (Damn bunnies from hell!!!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Robin Thurlow wrote: > Thanks for the encouragement :) We've got a lead on some good > water-based body paint from a company in Australia so hopefully we can > do more work soon. Incidently, I forgot to mention in my last letter but... Woohoo! CRACKERS (I might not know art, but I know what I like from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:05:15 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting Diva wrote: > OK, so time for us all to decide on the coolest Thomas tattoo. The Flat > Earth diagram? The one-lens spectacles? Or - for the truly dedicated - a > portrait of Thomas...but from which era? I like the one-lens spectacles idea! but where, and how..? Maybe incorporated in with my larger Art Nouveau piece... it'd be a great motif to place here and there in a border design. Though the specs do give more of an Art Deco impression. I think I can work with that :) xxxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:21:42 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting CRACKERS wrote: > Could make for a neat webpage of Barbie Tattoo art... of course it > probably wouldn't take Mattel too long to threaten you with lawsuits for > copyright and trademark infringment. Funny you should mention that, as some artist here in the US has just won the rights to use Barbie in his photographs. Mattel had objected because he was placing her in "sexually suggestive" positions in some of his pictures, but the judges didn't think it added up to copyright infringement. (I always thought Barbie was sort of a sexual suggestion anyway, just by herself (???)) I would of course write to Mattel and ask them what they thought before using their doll on my web site, and show them some examples of what I'd done. She's based on fashion models I think, so having her model body art would only be "fashionable" for this day & age & hopefully wouldn't be thought of as too outrageous. I would do her hair... she'd look fabulous. I would prefer to make my own dolls and tattoo those however, and maybe I could use just parts of Barbie to do so... it's really her skin I'm after. Though the thought of sitting around flailing Barbie dolls and peeling off their skins to make new dolls of my own is *really* unpleasant!! xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 15:52:00 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Flailing Barbies I wrote: > >Though the thought of sitting around flailing Barbie dolls and > peeling off their skins to make new dolls of my own is *really* > unpleasant!! I meant to say "flaying" but Flailing does sort of work in the sentence too... needing a day off, Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:28:36 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Flailing Barbies And might I add that Flailing Barbies would be a most excellent name for a rock band... - -Beth (as would a sign we saw once at a Home Depot, "The Great Shovel Event") Robin Thurlow wrote: > I wrote: > > > >Though the thought of sitting around flailing Barbie dolls and > > peeling off their skins to make new dolls of my own is *really* > > unpleasant!! > > I meant to say "flaying" but Flailing does sort of work in the sentence > too... > > needing a day off, > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:18:12 EST From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Names for a Rock Band How about The Queasy Peters? - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy-Tell Dave to keep painting On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Robin Thurlow wrote: > Funny you should mention that, as some artist here in the US has just > won the rights to use Barbie in his photographs. Mattel had objected Mattel has been very rabid when it comes to people using Barbie for artwork. There was an artist a few years ago whose webpage was shutdown by Mattel because he had art feautring Barbie. It was art that depicted barbie as dieties of different world religions (eg. many armed Shiva-barbie, crucified Barbie, etc.) There never was an actual lawsuit but the threat of it was enough to make the artist take down his page and surrender his artwork to Mattel for destruction. As well there were a number of other artists who used Barbie in their art who were likewise harassed. Corporations are a lot like the Scientologists in that they use lawsuits to harass even if they know they likely won't win. They know that for the average person the prospect of going to court against a large corporation is a pretty scary thing and that in the face of such a prospect most people will turn tail. Every now and then though they make the mistake of picking on someone who will fight back and thus set precidence making their future lawsuits ineffectual. Like when Mattel sued Aqua. Aqua won and set precidence so that now people can use Barbie in art and not have to worry about losing a lawsuit (of course that won't stop Mattel from taking them to court in the first place because they still like to harass the little guy). But Mattel's harassment doesn't just extend to artists who employ the image of Barbie in controversial ways. It also extends to fan-sites and fan-zines. A few years ago Mattel went on a crusade and shut down a number of Barbie fan webpages and magazine claiming copyright and trademark infringements. CRACKERS (Another reason Capitalism sucks from hell!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:51:04 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: Flailing Barbies On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Beth Meyer wrote: > > And might I add that Flailing Barbies would be a most excellent name for a > rock band... > Hmmm... I'll have to keep that in mind. Right now a trio I play with are trying to nail down a name. Right now we've got "Reggie Dentist" which is an in-joke, "Massive Fake Heart Attack" which is another in-joke related to "Reggie Dentist". Reggie Dennis is a guy who threatened to sue me for copyright violation a few years ago claiming he had the name Crackers copyrighted. Of course after I explained that you can't copyright a name, it has to be trademarked, and you can't trademark common usage english words unless they're in a phrase or use an altered spelling (eg. "Krakerz" or "Crackers the Big Dork"), he tried to have the local musician's union sue me and blacklist me (was unsuccessful on both counts). "Massive Fake Heart Attack" is another joke related to Reggie because whenever he gets angry or upset or starved for attention he launches into a fake heart attack ala Red Fox on Sanford and Son (This is the big one Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you.) Infact one person who has worked with this nut said at one recording session he had a total of 8 massive heart attacks in a single day. He also claimed to have won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the band Cracker (formerly known as Camper Van Beethoven) for copyright violation so he would have no problem crushing a "small fry" like me. It really made for an interesting time while he tried again and again to intimidate me into giving up what has for me been a life-long nickname and I was almost sad when he finally gave up in defeat. What should be really fun is this summer when I am scheduled to be a performer at the Hamilton Pride Day celebrations. Reggie is very homophobic (he'll actually throw people out of the bars he's playing in if he suspects them of being gay) so I can't wait to see what he does when he sees all those posters for Crackers performing at the Hamilton Pride Day celebrations. CRACKERS (The name game from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Re: Alloy: Names for a Rock Band On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 DAbbitt32@aol.com wrote: > > How about The Queasy Peters? > Or the ever popular "Monkey Yogurt". Actually another name we've been contemplating was just simply "The Reggies". The concept for this being Reggie from "The Archies" goes off on a solo career and absolutely tanks it. Of course Archie Comics is just as rabid as Mattel when it comes to their copyrights and trademarks so it probably wouldn't be too long before we were on the receiving end of a very nasty lawsuit. CRACKERS (Which would be kinda fun from hell!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 19:33:53 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Flailing Barbies - ----- Original Message ----- From: "CRACKERS" It > really made for an interesting time while he tried again and again to > intimidate me into giving up what has for me been a life-long nickname and > I was almost sad when he finally gave up in defeat. I'm sure Mr. Dolby can relate. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #62 **************************