From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V6 #54 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 06 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: Beatnik Site ["Ian Gifford" ] Re: Alloy: FEVER PITCH SOUNDTRACK ["Robin" ] Alloy: international sound project [Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Re: Beatnik Site Yes, I have recently been by the Beatnik site but it frustrates the heck out of me. Every time I trigger a mouseover or something of that nature, my Beatnik player plays the sample as if it is being played 4 times simultaneously... meaning that it sounds choppy and not really all that musical. Is this the way it is supposed to sound? Is my Pentium 120 with 48 meg of ram too small for Beatnik? AM I JUST A BIG LOSER THAT WILL NEVER GET TO KNOW THE POWER OF BEATNIK??? ARRRRGH ....ahem.... ooops... sorry ;) Anyone know what I can do about this? Ian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 01:56:50 -0500 From: "Robin" Subject: Re: Alloy: FEVER PITCH SOUNDTRACK Craig writes: > Hmmm...this is an interesting debate. And I agree with you completely Robin, > but it is a rather intriguing situation in terms of artistic rights and > consumer desires. Unlike the Napster situation, the Fever Pitch recordings > are not commercially available, regardless of how much money you might care > to spend. And it's not really a bootleg situation either, as the music was > recorded and released by the artist himself. The Internet is a testing ground (or more like a minefield!) for artists, I think, for exploring publicity and distribution possibilities, with the risk constantly being run of having rights violated. For me personally it isn't a matter of debate at all, speaking as an artist. The rights of people who intend to make a living based on their creative and artistic talent have routinely been trodden on. The arts, and artists, are in fact simultaneously worshipped and villified in western civilization. I'm sure there are many darkly underlying psychological reasons this has come about (and we should all have a sleepover some night & sit up discussing it over vermouth and clove cigarettes) but that's me going off on a tangent.. Anyway one of the points I wanted to bring up has to do with the artist's intent. It was a special treat for us to have the chance to hear this tape that Thomas so generously took time to restore and offer to us to hear at christmastime. But... who knows what his intent may be where this music is concerned? You mention wanting an album... perhaps he intends to use some of the material from these pieces he wrote and recorded years ago, to create an album one day. I'm probably not explaining myself very well but I just feel very strongly that nothing an artist does should be taken for granted as something that's intended for distribution. The Fever Pitch file was a special thing he allowed Alloy members at that time to hear, however it doesn't belong to us, & it isn't meant to be given out to all fans everywhere. It was not a product but an *event*. The artist's intent cannot be guessed until he tells us what it is. It isn't a finished product until he says so. It's his, and his alone, purely and simply. The fan has no say in it whatsoever. It's my personal belief that a fan should try to be a truly supportive influence for the artist he/she admires, to help the artist continue to do his work with some feeling of security. It's rough enough going for artists. To have a network of understanding and supportive fans is quite a blessing. To have people tearing each other and even the artist apart to try to get their hands on some kind of "product" to collect strikes me as ghoulish and sick. My own two cents worth I suppose. But since the discussion has started, that's that said anyway. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:52:01 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: international sound project I thought I'd post this call to artists which I just received through my Fluxus list - some of you musicians might want to participate! xxxx Robin T Hi there, This is a call for participation in sound project. Please resend this call to persons who could be interested in it.. I am working on electro-acoustic work which will be broadcasted on Istambul radio in April. It will be music for tape and wind instruments quartet. The tape of the composition will be formed of various sounds which I'll collect from people from different countries. This "multicultural" collage will be as acompany for live band. I search for people who are interested in taking part in this project.Participants would send a cassete or cd of their special sounds and I'd find a place for their stuff in the composition. Sounds could be any kind you like.It is to your choice what material should be recorded and what its' duration must be acctually. There is no deadline, but it would be better to get your sounds to the middle of the March. All participants will get the final record, when it'll be performed. For closer definition write to bumstein@yahoo.com send to: Arturas Bumsteinas RINKTINES 21-64 VILNIUS 2051 LITHUANIA Thank you for your time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:53:51 -0000 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Beatnik Site Ian, I don't get this particular problem, but what I do get is a glitch in the background music every time I use the slider to read up or further down the page. As soon as I stop sliding the music continues as it should. I also get this glitch when I change page? The one thing we both have in common is, in modern days terms, a relatively low performance PC for Internet browsing. Maybe as you say this has something to do with it although the Beatnik specifications do advise that my P2 should be sufficient. Ian, one thing that also springs to mind is that it could be something to do with the type of soundcard you are using? I had many problems with soundcards such as the early Creative Labs SoundBlaster models which although recorded in 16 bit sound, only played back in 8 bit. If I recorded in 8 bit, I was then able to play back in 16 bit mode (Although technically speaking this wasn't 16 bit as with most recording the sound is only as good as the source.) My point is that when I did this I often experienced the effect you talk about. I changed my soundcard to a professional 'Event' model for my studio and low and behold, the problem vanished...... Trevor..... - ---- Original Message ----- From: Ian Gifford To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Alloy: Re: Beatnik Site > > Yes, > > I have recently been by the Beatnik site but it frustrates the heck out of > me. Every time I trigger a mouseover or something of that nature, my Beatnik > player plays the sample as if it is being played 4 times simultaneously... > meaning that it sounds choppy and not really all that musical. > > Is this the way it is supposed to sound? > > Is my Pentium 120 with 48 meg of ram too small for Beatnik? > > AM I JUST A BIG LOSER THAT WILL NEVER GET TO KNOW THE POWER OF BEATNIK??? > ARRRRGH ....ahem.... ooops... sorry ;) > > Anyone know what I can do about this? > > Ian > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V6 #54 **************************