From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #303 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, December 19 2000 Volume 05 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Fifth Element [andyjmail@cheerful.com] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Beth Meyer ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: More reasons to despise Elaine [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Fifth Element [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: f---ed companies [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: f---ed companies ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: Fifth Element Hi all, Sorry about the last minute warning about Toys yesterday - - probably not much use to anyone! The Mirror Song was used over the credits, but only a two minute version which sounded extremely poor - compressed/limited to hell and back. I'm sure it sounded better the last time I heard it on Sky! Anyway, at the weekend I was at a friend's house, having a look at Napster (something I can't be bothered with, personally). Fascinating to see how much TD material is on there. One thing I found that puzzled me was "Gabriel Peter and Thomas Dolby - Little Light of Love (from The Fifth Element)" A web search revealed that this is by some Eric Serra bloke... no mention of Tom ... any clues anyone? Or has someone made a bit of a mistake somewhere? Anyway, I found a way of looking around Napster with just a web-page - www.muchfaster.com although beware it does load an applet of some sort to get itself running. I don't fancy waiting an hour for a track only to find the quality is appalling, but it's fascinating to see what's out there! I shall take this opportunity to wish you all a magnificant Christmas and all the best for 2001. Have a good one folks, +AndyJ+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:54:16 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element andyjmail@cheerful.com wrote: > One thing I found that puzzled > me was "Gabriel Peter and Thomas Dolby - Little Light of Love (from The Fifth Element)" > A web search revealed that this is by some Eric Serra > bloke... no mention of Tom ... any clues anyone? > Or has someone made a bit of a mistake somewhere? Yet another thing I have heard no mention of before... > Anyway, I found a way of looking around Napster with > just a web-page - www.muchfaster.com although beware > it does load an applet of some sort to get itself running. Here's a stupid question (it might be my last stupid question of the year 2000 - but I wouldn't count on it)... what is an applet? Also, what on earth is going on with napster? I was hearing a lot about them over the summer but nothing since. I was hoping they'd be gone by now. xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:33:42 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element Hello Andy, I have the Fifth Element soundtrack, and there is no mention of our Fearless Leader (TM) or Peter Gabriel for that matter in the cover notes,...the track in question is written and sung by Eric Serra to my knowledge (who has been writing soundtracks for many of Luc Besson's films, including the scores for "The Big Blue", "Subway", etc.etc., and of which I am a big fan....) Unless Thomas is just uncredited on my French copy of the soundtrack, the track is purely Serra, who wrote it, played it and sang it (and who does have quite a gravelly voice when he sings, which the uninitiated could take for Gabriel, I suppose,.....) and quite a nice track it is too! Serra is also one of the greatest bass players I have ever heard,.... As for Napster, the last thing I heard was that they lost a big legal suit (or am I confusing this with the mp3.com suit?) What I do know though is that one of our department's stagieres (students working a year out here in France) got caught because they were using Napster to download some US-based rap group's music. The rap group took legal action against napster, and everyone whose name was on napster's files as having downloaded their music was affected. I don't know if the said student had to pay a fine, but they did loose their napster access as well as getting into trouble with the firm here..... I understand the attraction with napster, but I wouldn't use it on principle,...it's hard enough to get money out of record companies as a musician without giving them even more excuse to take all the cream off the profits,..... (long live beatnik and self publishing for musicians, that's what I say!!!) Oh,..and season's greetings to all you alloyites everywhere! Lissu :-) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com on 18/12/2000 14:31 GMT Please respond to alloy@smoe.org |---------> | | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |To: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> |alloy@smoe.org | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |cc: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | (bcc: Louise Ulfstedt/NCE/AMADEUS) | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> | | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |Subject: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> |Alloy: Fifth Element | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| Hi all, Sorry about the last minute warning about Toys yesterday - - probably not much use to anyone! The Mirror Song was used over the credits, but only a two minute version which sounded extremely poor - compressed/limited to hell and back. I'm sure it sounded better the last time I heard it on Sky! Anyway, at the weekend I was at a friend's house, having a look at Napster (something I can't be bothered with, personally). Fascinating to see how much TD material is on there. One thing I found that puzzled me was "Gabriel Peter and Thomas Dolby - Little Light of Love (from The Fifth Element)" A web search revealed that this is by some Eric Serra bloke... no mention of Tom ... any clues anyone? Or has someone made a bit of a mistake somewhere? Anyway, I found a way of looking around Napster with just a web-page - www.muchfaster.com although beware it does load an applet of some sort to get itself running. I don't fancy waiting an hour for a track only to find the quality is appalling, but it's fascinating to see what's out there! I shall take this opportunity to wish you all a magnificant Christmas and all the best for 2001. Have a good one folks, +AndyJ+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:32:46 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 andyjmail@cheerful.com wrote: > Anyway, at the weekend I was at a friend's house, having a look at > Napster (something I can't be bothered with, personally). Fascinating > to see how much TD material is on there. One thing I found that > puzzled me was "Gabriel Peter and Thomas Dolby - Little Light of Love > (from The Fifth Element)" A web search revealed that this is by some > Eric Serra bloke... no mention of Tom ... any clues anyone? Or has > someone made a bit of a mistake somewhere? Not a Dolby song, just someone *thinking*, for whatever reason, that it is a Dolby song, labeling it as such, and propagating his/her misconception across the world. The number of misnamed/miscredited songs to be found on Napster is amazing. According to Napster users, every song parody in the world appears to have been written by Weird Al Yankovic. Also, Men at Work wrote three songs that sound exactly the same: "Down Under", "Land Down Under", and "I Come From A Land Down Under". "Oh What a Night" was sung not by The Four Seasons, but by Billy Joel. And so forth. Also, you'll see the song "Solo" by Nina Hagen and Thomas D. listed as being by TMDR. As we all recall from months ago, "Thomas D." is not, in fact, Mr. Dolby, despite the fact that he wears nerdy glasses... BC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:50:57 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element Brian Clayton wrote: > The number of misnamed/miscredited songs to be found on Napster is > amazing. According to Napster users, every song parody in the world > appears to have been written by Weird Al Yankovic. Also, Men at Work > wrote three songs that sound exactly the same: "Down Under", "Land Down > Under", and "I Come From A Land Down Under". "Oh What a Night" was sung > not by The Four Seasons, but by Billy Joel. And so forth. I've never been to napster but this does not surprise me a bit. If they can't even give proper credit to the artists they're abusing, that's *really* the pits!! A few months ago I read an interview with the kid who runs napster & he seemed... well... pretty oblivious about reality to put it mildly. The interview had to do with the ruling about MP3.com, and how it would affect napster. This is why I was hoping they'd be gone by now. Any news to this effect in sight? xxxxx Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:25:58 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element Can't really blame Napster for their users stupidity. It is the users who create the MP3 files on their computers who control the album and artist credits on the files. The users also control the encoding quality. It is for these reasons that I can't see it ever creating a viable business model around pay per download and such since there are so many quality issues. Like many dot-com's, Napster too will run out of cash unless they come up with a viable business model. Right now, they have none that I know of. They don't even advertise on their site or the Napster app as far as I know. - ------------------------------------------ Robin - from Webopedia: Applet - A program designed to be executed from within another application. Unlike an application, applets cannot be executed directly from the operating system. With the growing popularity of OLE (object linking and embedding), applets are becoming more prevalent. A well-designed applet can be invoked from many different applications. Web browsers, which are often equipped with Java virtual machines, can interpret applets from Web servers. Because applets are small in files size, cross-platform compatible, and highly secure (can't be used to access users' hard drives), they are ideal for small Internet applications accessible from a browser. - ------------------------------------------ - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element > > Brian Clayton wrote: > > The number of misnamed/miscredited songs to be found on Napster is > > amazing. According to Napster users, every song parody in the world > > appears to have been written by Weird Al Yankovic. Also, Men at Work > > wrote three songs that sound exactly the same: "Down Under", "Land Down > > Under", and "I Come From A Land Down Under". "Oh What a Night" was sung > > not by The Four Seasons, but by Billy Joel. And so forth. > > I've never been to napster but this does not surprise me a bit. If they > can't even give proper credit to the artists they're abusing, that's > *really* the pits!! A few months ago I read an interview with the kid > who runs napster & he seemed... well... pretty oblivious about reality > to put it mildly. The interview had to do with the ruling about > MP3.com, and how it would affect napster. This is why I was hoping > they'd be gone by now. Any news to this effect in sight? > > xxxxx > Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:25:36 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element I have to agree with Keith -- I don't see Napster having any kind of sustainable business model, and thus doomed to run out of cash and die before too long. About 5 minutes ago, I was reading an interesting article while doing some stock research on CBS Marketwatch. The article was on "the year in hype". #1 on the list of overhyped businesses was Napster. The quote I loved was this: "Anyone can gain 30 million customers if she or he gives away someone else's property for free." By the way, that full article is at: http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/current/rebecca.htx?source=htx/http2_mw I thought it was pretty interesting... Cheers, Beth Keith Stansell wrote: > Can't really blame Napster for their users stupidity. It is the users who > create the MP3 files on their computers who control the album and artist > credits on the files. The users also control the encoding quality. It is > for these reasons that I can't see it ever creating a viable business model > around pay per download and such since there are so many quality issues. > > Like many dot-com's, Napster too will run out of cash unless they come up > with a viable business model. Right now, they have none that I know of. > They don't even advertise on their site or the Napster app as far as I know. > ------------------------------------------ bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:33:44 -0500 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element There's a website I frequent to see which dot.com businesses have gone belly-up (thanks to both my friends James and Alloy's Own Fabulous ElaineTM). Forgive the name: www.f**kedcompany.com (without the nice little stars, mind you) but it's quite interesting to see how quickly some companies have lived a whole life in less than a year. eToys is reckoned to be the next one to die. After a high of $85+, the stock was trading last Friday at $1.50. Yikes. I wonder if I'll be able to get one of those cute Pets.com sock puppets really, really cheap after Christmas... Just following the cold equations, Melissa Beth Meyer wrote: > I have to agree with Keith -- I don't see Napster having any kind of sustainable > business model, and thus doomed to run out of cash and die before too long. > About 5 minutes ago, I was reading an interesting article while doing some stock > research on CBS Marketwatch. The article was on "the year in hype". #1 on the > list of overhyped businesses was Napster. The quote I loved was this: "Anyone > can gain 30 million customers if she or he gives away someone else's property > for free." > > By the way, that full article is at: > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/current/rebecca.htx?source=htx/http2_mw > > I thought it was pretty interesting... > > Cheers, > Beth > > Keith Stansell wrote: > > > Can't really blame Napster for their users stupidity. It is the users who > > create the MP3 files on their computers who control the album and artist > > credits on the files. The users also control the encoding quality. It is > > for these reasons that I can't see it ever creating a viable business model > > around pay per download and such since there are so many quality issues. > > > > Like many dot-com's, Napster too will run out of cash unless they come up > > with a viable business model. Right now, they have none that I know of. > > They don't even advertise on their site or the Napster app as far as I know. > > ------------------------------------------ > > bethmeyer@mindspring.com - -- Melissa R. Jordan Director, Compass Rose Consulting International (http://www.askcrc.com) Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios (http://www.crstudios.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:39:17 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element That is a great site. I got 200 points for the death of my former employer KickStart.com . It is amazing how many dot-com's there were out there that flamed out before we even got to know them. I bet there are a lot of dead links in the search engines because of this. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa R. Jordan" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element > > There's a website I frequent to see which dot.com businesses have gone belly-up > (thanks to both my friends James and Alloy's Own Fabulous ElaineTM). Forgive the > name: www.f**kedcompany.com (without the nice little stars, mind you) but it's quite > interesting to see how quickly some companies have lived a whole life in less than a > year. eToys is reckoned to be the next one to die. After a high of $85+, the stock > was trading last Friday at $1.50. Yikes. > > I wonder if I'll be able to get one of those cute Pets.com sock puppets really, > really cheap after Christmas... > > Just following the cold equations, > > Melissa > > > Beth Meyer wrote: > > > I have to agree with Keith -- I don't see Napster having any kind of sustainable > > business model, and thus doomed to run out of cash and die before too long. > > About 5 minutes ago, I was reading an interesting article while doing some stock > > research on CBS Marketwatch. The article was on "the year in hype". #1 on the > > list of overhyped businesses was Napster. The quote I loved was this: "Anyone > > can gain 30 million customers if she or he gives away someone else's property > > for free." > > > > By the way, that full article is at: > > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/current/rebecca.htx?source=htx/http2_mw > > > > I thought it was pretty interesting... > > > > Cheers, > > Beth > > > > Keith Stansell wrote: > > > > > Can't really blame Napster for their users stupidity. It is the users who > > > create the MP3 files on their computers who control the album and artist > > > credits on the files. The users also control the encoding quality. It is > > > for these reasons that I can't see it ever creating a viable business model > > > around pay per download and such since there are so many quality issues. > > > > > > Like many dot-com's, Napster too will run out of cash unless they come up > > > with a viable business model. Right now, they have none that I know of. > > > They don't even advertise on their site or the Napster app as far as I know. > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > bethmeyer@mindspring.com > > -- > Melissa R. Jordan > > Director, Compass Rose Consulting International (http://www.askcrc.com) > > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios (http://www.crstudios.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:52:37 -0500 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element It *is* a great site! While I'm not happy for the employees of the dearly and nearly departed sites, I have to admit I'm looking forward to the touted end of sixdegrees.com. Some chick I barely know entered my name and e-mail address as one of her sixdegree contacts, and, regardless of how hard I try to get extricated from their system, I still get crap from them all the time. Tick tock, sixdegrees, tick tock... Cheers, - - Melissa Keith Stansell wrote: > That is a great site. I got 200 points for the death of my former employer > KickStart.com . It is amazing how many dot-com's there were out there that > flamed out before we even got to know them. I bet there are a lot of dead > links in the search engines because of this. > > -Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melissa R. Jordan" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element > > > > > There's a website I frequent to see which dot.com businesses have gone > belly-up > > (thanks to both my friends James and Alloy's Own Fabulous ElaineTM). > Forgive the > > name: www.f**kedcompany.com (without the nice little stars, mind you) but > it's quite > > interesting to see how quickly some companies have lived a whole life in > less than a > > year. eToys is reckoned to be the next one to die. After a high of $85+, > the stock > > was trading last Friday at $1.50. Yikes. > > > > I wonder if I'll be able to get one of those cute Pets.com sock puppets > really, > > really cheap after Christmas... > > > > Just following the cold equations, > > > > Melissa > > > > > > Beth Meyer wrote: > > > > > I have to agree with Keith -- I don't see Napster having any kind of > sustainable > > > business model, and thus doomed to run out of cash and die before too > long. > > > About 5 minutes ago, I was reading an interesting article while doing > some stock > > > research on CBS Marketwatch. The article was on "the year in hype". #1 > on the > > > list of overhyped businesses was Napster. The quote I loved was this: > "Anyone > > > can gain 30 million customers if she or he gives away someone else's > property > > > for free." > > > > > > By the way, that full article is at: > > > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/current/rebecca.htx?source=htx/http2_mw > > > > > > I thought it was pretty interesting... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Beth > > > > > > Keith Stansell wrote: > > > > > > > Can't really blame Napster for their users stupidity. It is the users > who > > > > create the MP3 files on their computers who control the album and > artist > > > > credits on the files. The users also control the encoding quality. > It is > > > > for these reasons that I can't see it ever creating a viable business > model > > > > around pay per download and such since there are so many quality > issues. > > > > > > > > Like many dot-com's, Napster too will run out of cash unless they come > up > > > > with a viable business model. Right now, they have none that I know > of. > > > > They don't even advertise on their site or the Napster app as far as I > know. > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > > > bethmeyer@mindspring.com > > > > -- > > Melissa R. Jordan > > > > Director, Compass Rose Consulting International (http://www.askcrc.com) > > > > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios (http://www.crstudios.com) - -- Melissa R. Jordan Director, Compass Rose Consulting International (http://www.askcrc.com) Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios (http://www.crstudios.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:03:35 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element Keith Stansell wrote: > Robin - from Webopedia: > > Applet - A program designed to be executed from within another application. > Unlike an application, applets cannot be executed directly from the > operating system. With the growing popularity of OLE (object linking and > embedding), applets are becoming more prevalent. A well-designed applet can > be invoked from many different applications. > > Web browsers, which are often equipped with Java virtual machines, can > interpret applets from Web servers. Because applets are small in files size, > cross-platform compatible, and highly secure (can't be used to access users' > hard drives), they are ideal for small Internet applications accessible from > a browser. Thanks Keith, this gives me a good idea of what one is (though now the rest of my computer vocabulary needs to catch up) Why do they give these things names that all sound like food, I wonder? xxxxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: More reasons to despise Elaine I'm sure we're all agreed that blatant outright theft of anything is not kosher at all. MP3 files are hard to enjoy from the grace of your 2x3" computer speakers whilst sitting in a chair in front of the New Boob Tube, to be sure. I will, however, give Napster a tiny bit of credit -- because I'm not sure the company is portrayed in a practical way a lot of the time. For starters, I agree with Keith, they are never gonna make it as a viable company (dot-com or otherwise). Secondly, the proverbial cat is out of the bag, so the word "Napster" is kinda moot in my opinion. The phenomenon is all over the place. This *might* turn out to be a good thing, if you can try and put early-80's video age in the same context. Third, (again agreeing with Keith) the quality of stuff is spotty at best. Horrible transfer bitrates, songs cut off prematurely, misnamed songs, mislabeled artists, you name it. These are things that don't apply in a logical way to any conclusion that "Napster is evil." Essentially, Napster isn't a Player and probably never will be. If and when they start charging or advertising, the first people there will turn tail and run, exclaiming, "Sellout!" And that'll be the end of it. There are two good things though, about the philosophy, anyway (in my opinion.) One is that the people who love their music share it with other people that haven't heard it. Personally I don't "rip" and share any of Thomas's stuff (or anyone else's) so don't rake me over the coals. Don't rake me about that, anyway. The people who do share files typically got them FROM Napster, therefore it's (see paragraph 1). The other thing that's good is that you can get a taste for someone you've heard of, before buying them. Now you can say I'm stealing, but it isn't any different to me than borrowing some friend's CD before buying it myself. Especially since said audio file is likely to have about as much sound quality as my junior-high school friends' home made cassettes used to. I've done this with Eddi Reader, William Orbit, and Dan Hicks. These are three artists whom I'm sure I never would have even heard of were it not for Alloyeds and Thomas. I've bought Eddi, and William, and four (!) Wendy & Lisa CD's, but alas I didn't connect with Dan. But see what I mean? I have also gotten old air-television soundbites that I remembered, and stuff that was off radio (that someone recorded and put out there). The bottom line is, to me, don't knock Napster for what their users do (to quote yet again) and don't think everyone who Napsters is out for theft and malice. This PSA is over.......returning you to your conversations. Elaine sayin' what at least one of you surely must be thinkin' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:07:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: Fifth Element On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Melissa R. Jordan wrote: > There's a website I frequent to see which dot.com businesses have gone > belly-up (thanks to both my friends James and Alloy's Own Fabulous > ElaineTM). Forgive the name: www.f**kedcompany.com (without the nice > little stars, mind you) Actually, you'll find that the hostname www.f---edcompany.com works, for those with sensitive typing fingers. :) > but it's quite interesting to see how quickly some companies have > lived a whole life in less than a year. eToys is reckoned to be the > next one to die. After a high of $85+, the stock was trading last > Friday at $1.50. Yikes. After the grief they gave etoy.com over their domain name (which they had long before eToys existed), I'm not overly sad to see them go. BC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: f---ed companies On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Brian Clayton wrote: >> but it's quite interesting to see how quickly some companies have >> lived a whole life in less than a year. eToys is reckoned to be the >> next one to die. After a high of $85+, the stock was trading last >> Friday at $1.50. Yikes. > > After the grief they gave etoy.com over their domain name (which they > had long before eToys existed), I'm not overly sad to see them go. Yeah and did you hear about Shatner and priceline.com? I saw the headline "Shatner is MIA" and the story is, he didn't show up for his next round of Priceline.com commercials. Seems he was paid in stock options and his amount went from in the $20 mil range to the less-than-200k range. It seems Priceline.com's 52-week high was $165 and last I checked they were in the $2.25 per share range. Let's start one of those death pools to bet on which dot-com goes belly-up first. Priceline might beat Etoys! Elaine - -in redemption mode- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:33:11 -0500 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: f---ed companies Elaine Linstruth wrote: >Let's start one of those death pools to bet on which dot-com goes belly-up first. Priceline might beat Etoys! Dang - I missed the name, but some new dot.com started up last week and was dead by Friday. I heard about it on the news today... A new record, surely. - -- Melissa R. Jordan Director, Compass Rose Consulting International (http://www.askcrc.com) Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios (http://www.crstudios.com) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #303 ***************************