From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #296 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, December 8 2000 Volume 05 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? ["Tim Hudson" ] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #295 ["Kathleen T. Presser" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:55:34 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? Hi, I'm a bit of a novice on the Beatnik thing but it strikes me that if the RMF format takes off You could have a Beatnik database feeding an internet radio server. Then the world could be served with rmf content and thus you could marry in principle the existing paradigm of a model which delivers content - - in other words you wouldn't upset the existing apple cart and also include the newer revolution of user interactivity (beyond the on off switch) :-). Lots of colleges are developing their own internet radio stations and it also allows old graduates to 'keep in touch' with their old college or university wherever they are in the world once they have moved on and left the academic environment. This means they are more likely to make monetary donations and future sponsorships. Its just another newish way of branding the University and increasing its marketing potential. The idea is you turn it into a football club type of allegiance and the internet radio station is the global connection into that. So......are Beatnik moving in on this area I wonder? Even if it doesn't come off there is no harm in outwardly appearing to be way ahead of your rivals in thinking....... To close Beatnik was a song by Geoff Downes and Bruce Wolley or Trevor Horn wasn't it? It was on their [Buggles] rather good in its day album 'Adventures in Modern Recording'. Downes and Wolley and to some extent Horn were connected with TMDR in Bruce Wolley and the Camera Club - so did the choice of the name Beatnik come from those early days I wonder? Its probably expalined somewhere on the Beatnik site - forgive me if I missed it. Tim. Its a grey wet morning here on the border with Germany. Yuk. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:13:30 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: OK its Woolley as in bully - I know. Re Bruce Woolley....and my attrocious spelling. Its Woolley as in Bully I believe. Anybody ever heard anything by his 'Radio Science Orchestra'? It seemed to bank big time on the Theramin - as if obscure Russian technology should be en Vogue encore. Whatever next ? BW and the Stylophone Symphony Orchestra..... I actually quite liked BW but never as much as our man TMDR. It always struck me TMDR was the sensitive one with the talent. Big pause to absorb the flattery .....(flatulence)? Though I'd still like to hear an album by Thomas Dolby. Matthew Selligman and Robyn Hitchcock a sort of Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians circa 'Element of Light' album with Thomas engineering and producing and also playing keys and singing with Robyn Hitchcock. What a great album that would be. Add in a few guests like Bernard Edwards on Funk Guitar and track or two with Sly Dunbar and Robbie Shakespeare. Bung it in Protools slip a few beats backwards and Bobs your uncle! Classic groove and warp with brilliant vocalists and musicians combining eclectic real song writing and oh excuse me I'm off again... I'm really sorry its just so boring wet and grey here today and on days like today your mind tends to wonder ........! well mine does anyway...... Oh youve noticed......sorry. Seriouosly though - Bruce Woolley and the Radio Science Orchestra..... Fact or Fiction? what if anything did they or have they acheived anyone know? - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:37:06 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Now what starts with the letter C? Robb & Tara wrote: > I never really had the mental balls to broadcast my affliliation with wicca. But thanks for the > inspiration. However, I tend to feel that I do not want to directly associate with any religion wholly, as > I find no matter how tolerant (or intolerant) that religion may be, it still excludes you from others. > Then of course you always have a difference of opinion between sects (followings, such as Baptist vs. > Mormon, Zen vs. Tao, Aphrodite vs. Pan, etc.). So I choose to say that I flirt with Wicca, with a dash of > Buddhism as the spice. interesting, as I consider myself a mix of things too where religion and philosophies are concerned. I was raised decidedly Roman Catholic, but gravitated toward the more mystical side of things within the religion. I've only just found out, too, that all my life I've instinctively followed a Taoist philosophy to a large extent (all along I thought I was just odd & didn't know there was a whole philosophy backing me up :) Where Wicca is concerned... one of my best friends in the world is a Wicca, but doesn't participate with any group, because she doesn't agree with lot of the philosophies other people insist upon. She prefers to translate it her own way & it feels very true to her. > Ahhh, the perfect band: Dolby, Gabriel, Fripp, Bowie, Tony Levin, Stewart Copeland, Andy Summers.... This reminds me that a guy I worked with in Boston, who was close friends with Bowie's guitarist Reeves Gabrels, had some kind of personal vendetta against Peter Gabriel, and I could never find out why! (LOL) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:00:48 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? Tim Hudson wrote: > Then the world could be served with rmf content and thus you could marry > in principle the existing paradigm of a model which delivers content > - in other words you wouldn't upset the existing apple cart and also > include the newer revolution of user interactivity (beyond the on off > switch) :-). One thing I have been wishing for lately is access to internet radio from inside my car!!! When travelling by car, as Dave and I really love doing, radio reception is patchy at best because of our hilly region. What stations we do manage to pick up are usually not what we'd want to listen to (though the AM talk-radio kooks can be really amusing) I've often fantasized about picking up music from any place on earth while driving. Since a lot of cars now have computerized components anyway, it doesn't seem like it'd be too much of a stretch to make internet radio available in cars too. It'd be amazing! Thomas, please invent this! xxxx Robin T :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:40:22 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? Seems like I heard about a new system where you could pick up digital radio broadcasts from a satellite with around 150 channels or so coming soon. But that was also a couple of years ago and I still haven't seen any more about it. Searching the net didn't turn up much either. I recently did the next closest thing and got a Phillips Expandium portable CD player that can also play MP3 files. You can fit around 10 hours of music on one CD, so it is like having a non-stop radio station with you. The tricky thing is coming up with a 10 hour "mix tape". Easier to choose by CD instead of song. I've got all my TMDR on one CD as well as all of my Radiohead and NIN (all my favorites) on one CD. Strange mix if you hit shuffle though. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? > > Tim Hudson wrote: > > > Then the world could be served with rmf content and thus you could marry > > in principle the existing paradigm of a model which delivers content > > - in other words you wouldn't upset the existing apple cart and also > > include the newer revolution of user interactivity (beyond the on off > > switch) :-). > > One thing I have been wishing for lately is access to internet radio > from inside my car!!! When travelling by car, as Dave and I really love > doing, radio reception is patchy at best because of our hilly region. > What stations we do manage to pick up are usually not what we'd want to > listen to (though the AM talk-radio kooks can be really amusing) I've > often fantasized about picking up music from any place on earth while > driving. Since a lot of cars now have computerized components anyway, > it doesn't seem like it'd be too much of a stretch to make internet > radio available in cars too. It'd be amazing! Thomas, please invent > this! > > xxxx > Robin T :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:12:11 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: INTERNET CAR RADIO - Too late done already! Hi Robin, Internet car radio would be great. The site below says done already! http://www.allnetdevices.com/news/0002/000217radio.htm It says here IBM and Motorola also working on it. Info was written Feb 2000. Mind - the radio is one thing - the content is another.....Internet Beatnik car radio !!! now that would be a thing! The volume or even content could be linked to your speedo 'data'!! The faster you drive like an irresponsible person - the louder and louder you get to hear Brittany Spears....or Shania Twain .....which should slow you down sufficiently. Then again.......apparantly these artists sell a lot or records...... one way round this would be to make a device that links the internet audio to your house lighting such that everytime the Spice girls came on all your house lights flashed on and off in time to the bass drum thus turning your flat into a spicegirls discorama and indicating to all your immediate neighborhood your musical tastes.... But hang on wait a minute!! Didnt Thomas Dolby start off like this in reverse.....making his lighting equipment play the drums to she blinded me with science?.....HUH !!!! I fear its a case of Deja Vue ! I like this idea though ....everytime Barry Gibb came on you could make peoples electric toothbrushes vibrate.......(i'm sure Beegees fans have such things - though personally I prefer the real thing - with toothpaste on it)..... Tim. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:48:39 -0000 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: Re: A quick question . . . The other Film Score question that has been really bugging me for years is "why doesn't Thomas' name appear anywhere on the credits to the CD Ferngully The Last Rainforest?' We all know he contributed to this but only Alan Silvestri is mentioned....... Am I missing something here? Trevor...... P.S. I've also searched the planet for Fever Pitch on any format!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Thurlow To: Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: Re: A quick question . . . > > andyjmail@cheerful.com wrote: > > > Tristan had asked (about Fever Pitch)... > > > > > Cool. Thanks for the info. The piece of Dolby music > > > I was always dying to get was the one playing in the > > > background in the scene at the night club, where, to > > > one side of the busy dance floor, Ryan O'Neal is being > > > tortured by heavy shin kicking (I'm not kidding). So > > > if you ever get a chance to see it, drop me a quick > > > note and let me know what tune that is. Thanks much!! > > > ---Tristan > > > > > > P.S. It's a hilarious movie, by the way . . . though > > > it doesn't intend to be. > > > > Does anyone know which bit of music this is? > > I wish I did! I've never seen the film, and I don't think I've ever > heard Thomas mention this in his list of film score credits. Or, is one > of his already-released songs simply featured in the film? > > Robin T > baffled !!! > (but getting only three hours' sleep last night has made *everything* > seem baffling today) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:05:45 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? Keith Stansell wrote: > I've got all my TMDR on one CD as well as all of my > Radiohead and NIN (all my favorites) on one CD. Strange mix if you hit > shuffle though. Oh God, this reminds me of something Dave told me when he got home from class last night, speaking of strange mixes. He said he had an epiphany while listening to NIN... that if the B52s ever did covers of NIN songs, the result would sound a lot like PiL! Couldn't you see that as an equation on some mathematician's blackboard somewhere? NIN + B52 = PiL (LOL!! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:09:17 -0500 (EST) From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: Re: A quick question . . . Yes, you are missing the correct Ferngully CD. There are two CDs related to the movie. The orchestral soundtrack by Silvestri, and the song soundtrack by various (including many songs written by TMDR). I highly recommend it especially for Batty Rap (written by TMDR sung by Robin Williams with a mention of Thomas during the song). - -Russell Milliner milliner@pobox.com The Unofficial Thomas Dolby Website http://www.pobox.com/~milliner/tmdr/ On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Trevor James Blagg wrote: > > The other Film Score question that has been really bugging me for years is > "why doesn't Thomas' name appear anywhere on the credits to the CD Ferngully > The Last Rainforest?' > > We all know he contributed to this but only Alan Silvestri is > mentioned....... > > Am I missing something here? > > Trevor...... > > P.S. I've also searched the planet for Fever Pitch on any format!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robin Thurlow > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: Re: A quick question . . . > > > > > > andyjmail@cheerful.com wrote: > > > > > Tristan had asked (about Fever Pitch)... > > > > > > > Cool. Thanks for the info. The piece of Dolby music > > > > I was always dying to get was the one playing in the > > > > background in the scene at the night club, where, to > > > > one side of the busy dance floor, Ryan O'Neal is being > > > > tortured by heavy shin kicking (I'm not kidding). So > > > > if you ever get a chance to see it, drop me a quick > > > > note and let me know what tune that is. Thanks much!! > > > > ---Tristan > > > > > > > > P.S. It's a hilarious movie, by the way . . . though > > > > it doesn't intend to be. > > > > > > Does anyone know which bit of music this is? > > > > I wish I did! I've never seen the film, and I don't think I've ever > > heard Thomas mention this in his list of film score credits. Or, is one > > of his already-released songs simply featured in the film? > > > > Robin T > > baffled !!! > > (but getting only three hours' sleep last night has made *everything* > > seem baffling today) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:33:33 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: INTERNET CAR RADIO - Too late done already! Tim Hudson wrote: > I like this idea though ....everytime Barry Gibb came on you could make > peoples electric toothbrushes vibrate.......(i'm sure Beegees fans have > such things - though personally I prefer the real thing - with toothpaste > on it)..... Tim, you're beginning to sound like the artists on my FLUXUS list! FLUXUS are a group of conceptual artists of all kinds (musicians, poets, visual artists, actors, dancers etc) who use humor and experimentation to shake up people's perception of the accepted routines of life, and challenge the framework within the art world. Their format is along the lines of performance and 'experimentation' rather than the art 'object'. I love them because there's such a great air of innocence and directness about their conceptual work. Sort of the absurdist theater troupe of the art world. Here is an example of a FLUXUS artists' project, if you're interested: http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume6/v6i4/postal-6-4.html Robin T (who will get back around to posting her thougths on the sexiest Dolby lyrics tonight!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:41:43 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? Actually, DEVO did a cover of NIN's Head Like A Hole. I like DEVO, I Like NIN, but I didn't Like DEVO doing NIN. My head is swimming now - I hear B52's singing Head Like A Hole - kind of sounds like Planet Z or Rock Lobster. Keith (help me - I tore apart my insides) Stansell - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: BEATNIK and internet radio...whats up? > > Keith Stansell wrote: > > I've got all my TMDR on one CD as well as all of my > > Radiohead and NIN (all my favorites) on one CD. Strange mix if you hit > > shuffle though. > > Oh God, this reminds me of something Dave told me when he got home from > class last night, speaking of strange mixes. He said he had an epiphany > while listening to NIN... that if the B52s ever did covers of NIN songs, > the result would sound a lot like PiL! Couldn't you see that as an > equation on some mathematician's blackboard somewhere? NIN + B52 = PiL > (LOL!! :) > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Car Radio Hey I just thought I'd tell you, I too have thought of the car-radio by satellite thing.. because as a Dish Network subscriber, part of what I get from them are these channels of music. I figured that eventually someone will make and market a receiver for the car, the same way I get these music channels in my house. Harking back to the discussion of all-digital music vs. analog, I can't always say the music we get through Dish exactly SOUNDS great, but it's certainly clean. And no commercials! Some of the channels are interesting too, there's an 80's-alternative channel, one called "Destinations" which only plays songs about places, or with place names in their titles, and a kid's music one, among others. It's pretty neat. Elaine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:38:30 -0800 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #295 Tim, I really enjoyed your opinion on the song 'The Beauty of a Dream'. When I first heard this song I was married to a man that deep down inside I just didn't love anymore even though we had two wonderful sons together. I cried a few times while listening to this song because it reminded me of just how very unhappy I was in the relationship I was in at the time. In fact I felt kinda envious of Dolby after listening to this song at that time, thinking, gee, glad somebody has got this relationship stuff right. It was shortly after this that I separated from my ex husband and two years later finally finished the divorce procedings. It's funny, now I'm married to a man who I really am happy with and am still deeply in love with even after knowing each other for almost five years. Time hasn't diminished the love we share. At our wedding we danced together to 'Beauty of a Dream', as we claimed this to be our song beings how we both finally found each other. To me, the saddest song of Dolby's is 'Close but no Cigar'. This song talks about repeated shallow relationships. Come to think of it, the other really sad song is 'Cruel'. I really like the vocals on this song and like to sing the female part. Reminds me of the many, many guys I've had a crush on and was crushed myself. Oh well, live and learn I always say. Kate;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:03:37 -0500 From: Beth Meyer Subject: Re: Alloy: The most sad song by TMDR for me is..... Hi, folks; Well, Tim's and Kathleen's eloquent and intimate discussion of sad Dolby songs really made me think of what is the saddest song for me for personal reasons. It is "I Love You Goodbye." Years ago, I fell deeply and passionately in love with someone, such that to be away from him was torture and to have him walk in the room seemed to brighten my whole world. He eventually came to share my feelings. But about the same time, after many months of agony, the circumstances of our lives finally made it clear that we had no hope of truly being together in this lifetime -- at least, not without my having to basically sell my soul for it. So after another month of total hell trying to figure out what to do, I had to take the initiative to walk out of his life entirely, for the sake of my sanity. It was the hardest thing I ever did. I couldn't change how I felt, but I could make those feelings irrelevant to my everyday life, and that's what happened. I'm actually quite pleased at how my life has come back together wonderfully since then. Anyway, that whole terrible episode was not long after Astronauts & Heretics came out, and that is what I tend to think of when I hear that song. By the way, for those of you whom I occasionally see in person, the less said about this the better, please. It was probably somewhat reckless of me to mention that at all, but I thought you all might find it meaningful... Thanks, Beth Tim Hudson wrote: > For me the most sad song is 'Beauty of a dream' the piano and vocal version > (5.05) from the > Beth Meyer bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 23:01:27 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: sexy (etc) Dolby lyrics Here are my choices of songs: In "Radio Silence", Thomas places himself in the lyrics: "She'll burst a blood vessel if he doesn't show... she's caught up in traffic, and I'm on her radio.." To me, this is incredibly sexy. In the midst of this girl having a hard time and becoming nervous about her meeting, Thomas' song is there with her in the car, like a secret lover! By placing himself within the song in such a forward manner, it gives a sense that the musician is well aware of his seductive effect on his listener. I like this a lot! There are actually quite a few songs that make me feel sad (Thomas has a way of cutting through the crap and going straight to the core of any emotion he writes about) but the most vivid of them for me is "Neon Sisters" because it reminds me so much of my friend Sarah. She was beautiful, intelligent and was a very powerful presence - but she always walked on the more dangerous side of things all her life, inviting disaster constantly, and almost daring death to take her, through extreme drug use/high risk behavior etc that increased over time. She was killed around five years ago as the result of a stupid accident. For romantic/fun (but from a 'friendship' perspective) I love "Silk Pyjamas". It reminds me of some of my own friends who are just these forces of nature and cannot be stopped, they're so independent and determined once they set their mind to something! Also, I always imagined the silk pyjamas in the song were really *his* and his friend just appropriated them for herself on a whim :) xxx Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #296 ***************************