From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #295 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, December 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 295 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: The most sad song by TMDR for me is..... ["Tim Hudson" ] Re: Alloy: Politics (OT) [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: Now what starts with the letter C? [Robb & Tara Subject: Alloy: The most sad song by TMDR for me is..... For me the most sad song is 'Beauty of a dream' the piano and vocal version (5.05) from the 'Limited edition Thomas Dolby Collection Part One of a Two CD Set' Virgin CD from 1992 No 665 246 PM 515 The one with bent tobbacco pipe on the front - surreal like a painting by Magritte.....(probably spelt wrongly) When I got the Astronauts and heretics album I was and still am dissapointed by the version that made it onto the Album. This single version has a sparseness and emptyness about it which makes it cut through more. The Herteics version for me is a dressed up version which might sound fuller but in some ways reduces the impact. THE BACKGROUND I can't begin to tell you how much I was hurting when I first heard this track. I had asked someone to marry me and they had said 'yes' and then changed their mind a few days later to 'no'. I was completely broken. I was so much in love with her and clinging on to the hope that she would, in some way, come to love me too. Of course she couldn't - and I had to 'watch' whilst she gradually slipped out of my life and into someone elses. I used to get those sickly stomach feelings with everything whirling around inside me when I was with her...My heart would start thumping just to see her in the distance. Learning to 'let go' is the hardest thing if you really are in love. So for me Beauty of a dream is for Ruth and the 'love' we made restaurants, cafes and hotels in .....Luxembourg, Bruxelles and Islington London. Incidentally the single version did n't have the lyrics printed and in one of my famous mis hearings of Dolby Lyrics thought he was singing "Its about Bends - About Breaks" Which of course I interpreted in a thousand appropriate ways varying from the course of my own life to the time she skidded in the wet on the motorway approach to Zaventum Airport in Bruxelles. [It does a nasty right hand zig zag]. Whilst on this "Its about bends about breaks" lyric - I belive it is written in the Astronauts lyrics inlay as " A bough bends a bough breaks" as in a branch of a tree. If this is correct it is remarkable in that it is similar to the Russian translation that ANDY J and others have recorded for Dissidents. I read somewhere I think on the Flat Earth site that TMDR has an attachement to I scare myself and that I love you goodbye can be tough to perform because of what it means for him. If ever I saw TMDR play a solo piano version of Beauty of a Dream like it is on this single - I would be transported back 'into the arms of love' to qoute a Robyn Hitchcock song. I love this song but I cant play it anymore. Its too much a time I must forget. 'Les temps change.' [lay tohmps shawnsh] The times (or the weather- temps is french for both) changes. How True. Since then I've met this really tempermental half german half belgian girl who wont stand for any nonsense like love! I do the cooking (she cant cook) She does the cleaning - she like to clean - everything has to be 'propre'. She teaches me French and shows me the Ardennes and I take her to London and drive her over the 'Pont Qui Ouvertes'. this summer I also took her to the Isle of Arran and the Isle of Mull and we walked along windswept sandy beaches on the west coast of Scotland. We argue. Its great. Its an 'end to my loneliness'. and I get a hug or argument - often both - every night What more could I want? Ive found someone who cares. Tim. The other person had their chance - shes history now! - Ive moved on. - -- Tim Hudson tim_hudson@zdnetonebox.com - email ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:23:27 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby songs etc I didn't get a chance to post about the lyrics (following Tim's suggestion!) last night but i do have something that's Dolby-related. Dave and I have been watching the SciFi Channel's presentation of Dune these past three nights & saw Thomas' friend and collaborator George Clinton featured in an ad campaign for digital sound equipment last night, in one of the commercial breaks. The series of ads shows a well-known recording star just standing there perfectly still, wearing headphones... there is silence for about twenty seconds. Then it cuts to a title which says "I'm Listening". The first few of these that ran featured a famous rapper, and then K.D. Lang... I said to Dave, "Maybe Thomas will be next!" The next one was George Clinton, and then I got really psyched - "Thomas will *definitely* be next!" :) Well, he wasn't... but it would have been perfect if he had been. I can't remember the name of the company who's got this ad running but they'd do well to get in touch with Mr Dolby... if anyone's "listening", it's him! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:24:59 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Politics (OT) Robyn, for the record, in case anyone cares, I **agree** with just about every word you've written :) There might be a few differences (ie, I feel guns should be very carefully regulated, neither completely gotten rid of nor allowed to be given to just anybody who wants one... I don't know where that places me on the issue of pro- or anti- gun) but overall it seems we're very much of the same mind. Thank you for taking the time to write. Robin T Robyn Moore wrote: > My opinions, for the record - > > 1) I voted for Nader. I tried to vote for Gore, but I just couldn't get > past his pro-censorship positions regarding the media. Bush was never an > option. > > 2) I don't believe all the votes were fairly counted. And yes, I do > believe -all- the counties and absentee ballots should be re-counted. > (Let's not even get into the allegations of voter intimidation put forth by > the US and foreign press.) > > 3) Katherine Harris should have excused herself due to obvious bias. > (not an unpopular opinion, even the local Republican bigwigs are saying > this, since it makes the party look bad.) > > 4) I'm well aware of the Electoral College, and none too thrilled about > it. IMO, it's still a popularity contest, since the candidates kiss up to > the states with the most votes. > > 5) The idea that Jesse Jackson is a Democratic lapdog is laughable. He > does what he does for his own reasons, and a significant portion of > Democrats consider him an embarrassment. > > 6) The low voter turnout is a national disgrace. Even if one doesn't > like the candidates, there's always some reason or another to vote. (My > personal favourite - our foremothers fought too hard for womens' right to > vote for me to waste it by not voting.) > > 7) It's too late for a happy ending. No matter which candidate ends up > in office, about half the voting populace will believe he stole the election. > > And just in case anyone's wondering, I'm not a Democrat, I'm an > Independent. I have some non-liberal opinions (for instance, I'm pro gun > and pro death penalty), but as a member of a minority religion, I don't > feel comfortable voting for Republicans until their leadership stops > kissing up to the Religious Right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:06:51 -0500 From: Robb & Tara Subject: Alloy: Now what starts with the letter C? Actually, this email has nothing to do with the letter C. But... - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- First: > >Robb, I almost forgot: Gothic on DVD at Amazon.com... $21 bucks! If you > >mean strictly audio CD, I don't see it there. (Didn't even know such an > >animal existed, actually..) > > It sure does. In fact, it's the CD I bought a player for. It's pretty > hard to find, though. However, I was just over at the Tower Records > website, and they're willing to special-order it, which means they'll look > for it for 45 days before considering it a lost cause. > > Robyn > I found the string of references kinda hard to follow: are you saying I can special order Gothic? I tried once at the Tower in Las Vegas, no dice. Where I live now, there's no Tower Records; and it tends to be too much work for local min. wage record store employees... ;) Hmmm, maybe I could try a Dear Santa letter... but it's hard to when you don't believe, eh? SECOND: > > > I had to come out of lurk mose and comment on the Atari ST. I always used one > for MIDI sequencing. I used the Creator/Notator software. I still would use > it - but I need a new mouse. They are hard to find now. I found a place that > I could order one - but didn't, and forget where that is now. > JiM > > ------------------------------ I couldn't give my 1040ST away. I couldn't get anyone to take it. I left it behind when I moved (one of those in-between moves that happens). If I knew anyone was looking for one, I would've carried it along with me. I feel for you, my brother. I miss it, a bit; but not as much as my Texas Instruments Z-80, or my Atari 800XL. Now I just upgraded to an iMac (my fourth Mac). Now I have to go through CD burner withdrawal, til I can afford either a FireWire or USB burner. Plus now I have an ADB (serial) 1-in 3-out midi interface for the Mac lying around, no thanks to the deadbeat bidder on eBay. That, and an Akai S-01 sampler. Anyone interested? Sorry, didn't mean to advertise. Speaking of samplers, anyone know where I can get the cricket sample, and the opera singer sample Mr. Dolby uses? He (thru the voice of thomasdolby.com and other sources) claims that you can find it all over the net, but once again, to no personal avail. My T. Dolby cover band idea fades away another thru another pastel shade. THIRD: (Sorry, didn't save snippet from old message) Robyn (M, not T): (Sorry, hon!) I never really had the mental balls to broadcast my affliliation with wicca. But thanks for the inspiration. However, I tend to feel that I do not want to directly associate with any religion wholly, as I find no matter how tolerant (or intolerant) that religion may be, it still excludes you from others. Then of course you always have a difference of opinion between sects (followings, such as Baptist vs. Mormon, Zen vs. Tao, Aphrodite vs. Pan, etc.). So I choose to say that I flirt with Wicca, with a dash of Buddhism as the spice. And this mix is tending towards spicier at the moment. I don't have the info in front of me right now, but there is a major Wiccan/Women's Rights/'other' temple on the outskirts of Las Vegas called (and I will misspell this) the Temple of Sekmet, which my wife and I frequented. If you need more info, email me directly as I don't want the alloy server to ban me or kick me off for filling it up... FOURTH: Anyone here follow the inner working of Robert Fripp, as well? Ahhh, the perfect band: Dolby, Gabriel, Fripp, Bowie, Tony Levin, Stewart Copeland, Andy Summers.... Hey, Robb, take your anti-80's pills, you're getting out of hand again. Your turn! ~robb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:43:59 -0800 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: The most sad song by TMDR for me is..... At 10:26 AM 12/6/00 +0000, Tim Hudson wrote: >The one with bent tobbacco pipe on the front - surreal like a painting >by Magritte.....(probably spelt wrongly) spelled exactly correct. there is (or was) a show of magritte at the san francisco museum of modern art recently, and i went. got to see the famous "ceci n'est pas un pipe" painting live and in person. what a wonderful exhibit! ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #295 ***************************