From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #279 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, November 21 2000 Volume 05 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Heavy Breather Subversion [andyjmail@cheerful.com] Alloy: Alloy.....Tim gets carried away again....appologies ["Tim Hudson" ] Re: Alloy: Alloy.....Tim gets carried away again....appologies [Robin Thu] Re: Alloy: TMDR Photos from the PopTech conference - OT [Robin Thurlow I also have a very sad thing - when I was 17, I > bought a 12" remix of "Hyperactive" by post and it > arrived still in the sleeve but > in pieces. I was so upset, because I knew I wouldn't > find another one. You can get that version on a rather marvellous TD CD : 12x12 ORIGINAL REMIXES 1999 - EMI - LC 0542 [7243 5 21194 2 4] [UK: 521 1942] ...along with some nice versions of all our other favourites :o) I bought mine online from Tower Records. Good luck, +AndyJ+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:53:35 +0000 From: "Tim Hudson" Subject: Alloy: Alloy.....Tim gets carried away again....appologies Hi, Tim from Luxembourg here again...... Many thanks for the replies. Re: return to Mulberry from Cloundburst on Shingle Street! I was sure it was return to Albury !!! Oh dear I suppose that makes me an amateur !! never mind ........:-] Thanks to Jon for the reply. I have actually visited Slapton Sands althought it was many many years ago on a University field trip . 1986 I think. Whilst on the subject of the Invasion and loss of life can I just go off message and say the following? The sacrifices made by the US soldiers are never far from my mind - theres five and a half thousand of them burried just up the road from me here in Luxembourg and next door to the US cemetary is the German one with 15 000 buried four to a cross. At the end of the German cemetary is one large mass grave of several thousand unknown. The German relatives still come and polish the brass names on the monument. This is Battle of the Bulge country [ General Pattern is burried in the Luxembourg cemeteray ] and in the woods near where my girlfriend lives in Libramont, in the Ardennes about an hour north towards Brussels, you can still find bits of broken walky talkies where the US troops smashed them up before they were captured by the Germans. Last year whilst out driving through the woods and villages my girlfriend and I came across a memorial to 11 US airmen who had been murdered on that spot by the SS. It was touching to see that there were fresh flowers and someone had put a candle in a jar. Theres also lots of tanks still left behind many towns have their tanks left as permanent memorials. So its not unusual to be winding your way through the woods and come round a corner and suddenly there is a sherman tank pointing at you. Also, at La Roche en Ardennes - a small Belgian town - there is this fantastic photograph of a Scotish soldier reaching out and shaking hands with one of the Americans in the snow and all around them is rubble and collapsed buildings - exactly like the scenes at the end of saving Private Ryan where they wire the bridge. You look around the town and you can see the exact spot near the bridge where the liberation photograph was carefully posed. And of course its very touching to see these elderly Americans coming back to visit the cemetary in Luxembourg. Unfortunately it is about a mile from the end of Luxembourg airport runway so every now and then you get a CARGOLUX 747 rip overhead shattering the silence. The Americans liberated Luxembourg and nobody here will forget them. Sorry to be so off message but these people died for our freedom and we must and do remember them over here. People should never forget. - ------------------------end of long but serious bit -------- OK.. back to TMDR the 12 x 12 CD ...... I got a copy at long last via amazon in the USA which came with a sticker on it saying made in Holland ! Incidentally if you turn the disc upside down and look at the centre ring - my copy has SWINDON stamped in the disc near the centre hole - which is odd because SWINDON is in England. So the disk was made in Swindon - recorded/ printed in Holland sent to the USA and then sent here to Luxembourg !! Madness !! All this because the UK amazon have now stopped stocking 12 x 12 ! Incidentally in one of my two CD players the disc wont play and I get a message saying 'Disc not finalized' but it plays ok in my CD recorder. Both machines are made by Phillips. To close a copyright question. I have an interview with TMDR taken from a UK internet magazine called .NET issue No. 42 March 1998. I have contacted the editor to ask if its OK to make a .pdf format file so that I can post it to the Group - - but I have no answer yet. Hes probably too busy to answer and I may never get one ! I dont want to infringe any copyright laws or upset anyone. Perhaps Robin can let me know what the policy is regarding passing on documents.......Is it OK to do this? I know that copyright is something that TMDR does care about and that is understandable. I can respect that. Its two pages of A4 text and three colour photographs - including a good one of him relaxing with his favourite toys.... The other big photo has the ridiculous caption 'A shifty looking Dolby drags his favourite synth to his secret love nest in the woods' and features TMDR in a tweedy suit carrying what looks like a Prophet synth into the bushes in Hollywood. Hes got a snazzy watch on too with loads of buttons.... OK thanks once again to everyone for their comments - maybe if I get permission to post the article I will. Any thoughts on the legality / morality of this? Appologies once again for the off message bit about the war but it was inspired by Jons comments about the atmosphere and the tragedy at Slapton Sands. I know hes right and its much the same up in the woods here too. I think Dolby did a track called WWII on side two of the Camera club album if I remember correctly (my copy is in England at my parents house so Im only going from memory). The whole thing about Europe {Europa}- at least the European Union is rooted in the events that happened all those years ago. Maybe the european themes and wartime themes in Dolbies music come from all his touring around over here with people like Lene Lovitch and I think it was The Members ( or was it the Fall?). I'm desperately trying to make a link between TMDR and the War but its not really working :-). Appologies for the long message. Bye from grey overcast Luxembourg city. Tim. ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:03:10 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Alloy.....Tim gets carried away again....appologies Tim, I was extremely touched to read your thoughts on the soldiers who fought in Europe during World War II. As I've mentioned here in the past, my own father and his two brothers were there - my dad went over at age 17 in the US Navy & was stationed off North Africa & southern Europe, then later in the North Sea. My two uncles were Army soldiers (in their early 20s) who were unit leaders & stationed in various parts of Europe from 1941 until the end of the war. All of them saw combat & had many friends who died there. I don't know very many of the details because my father almost never talked about any of the battle related stuff; he only recounted stories about the people he met in his travels there, which he felt were far more important. I have always admired the people he told us about & to this day think of everyone in Europe who suffered through the war as exceptionally brave and strong at heart. I'm glad the American soldiers are remembered so fondly there, just as the individuals my father met there were remembered so fondly to me! > I have an interview with TMDR taken from a UK internet magazine called > .NET issue No. 42 March 1998. I have contacted the editor to ask if > its OK to make a .pdf format file so that I can post it to the Group > - but I have no answer yet. Hes probably too busy to answer and I may > never get one ! > > I dont want to infringe any copyright laws or upset anyone. Perhaps > Robin can let me know what the policy is regarding passing on documents.......Is > it OK to do this? I very much appreciate the question! It's good of you to be concerned about copyright. I've never gotten a clear idea of what's acceptable when it comes to publishing old magazine articles electronically on ones own page. I have several interviews with Thomas on my own site (http://www.robinthurlow.addr.com) in which most of the magazines in question are from the 80s or early 90s. At first, I worried about the same thing so I didn't publish any interviews in their original form - only Thomas' words (which I believe belong to him, regardless of whether they were published or not! - and I was sure that if Thomas objected to their being featured he would tell me) In a couple of cases, later, the interviewer did such a good job that I wanted to include their input as well, so I broke from my 'qouting Thomas only' rule and put some of the articles on my site as-is. In all cases of course, I always gave full credit to the magazine, the journalist and the photographers whose work I was featuring. I looked around on the web to see how other people tended to handle this. I noticed, for example, on Gillian Anderson's fan page, any interviews or articles published anywhere about her are immediately posted to the site, even if the magazine in question is still on the newsstands! Yet, they do give thorough credit to the magazine, journalist & photographers and their page is running along just fine with seemingly no legal trouble. I'm tempted to think that it would be okay to feature an article on a fan site or personal web page, as long as complete credit is given to everyone who contributed to it along with the original publisher (and of course, it isn't a *pay* site or anything where you're profiting from it) If anyone knows anything more about this, please let us know! But for now, I'd say you'd be in the clear if you wanted to post the article somewhere for us to read. (the only caution is that if its sent through the mailing list it'll be bounced, because our server can't handle files - - it does need to be posted on the web or sent to individuals via private email) Besides... i want to see this article of yours!! The one photo you describe of Thomas in the shrubbery sound like the one that used to be featured at the Hyperactive! site he was hosting at AOL. That's a great picture :) !! I'd love to see the other one you have. xxx Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:51:57 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR Photos from the PopTech conference - OT Slarvibarglhee wrote: > I had time on Friday to visit this site and ended up spending the whole of > my lunch hour there. Not gazing, dewy-eyed, at the pics, but taking a > virtual tour of Camden and Rockport. LOL!! I can't really imagine you taking up any dewy-eyed gazing :) I think that's my turf! > What a strange location for a PopTech > conference, but they have a great website. Apart from the pics, I looked > for a transcript of Thomas' session, but just kept getting taken back to > the pics. So, I began to look at other parts of the site. They have a few > webcams (the harbour, main street and a duck hunting tackle shop, I > think). Being around 1pm in the UK, it must have been very early morning > in Maine, so there wasn't a lot of activity. I went back to the home page > and took the 'virual tour' which gave me a feel for the place. Looks like > something out of Twin Peaks, but without the body in the lake. Or maybe > not. There are probably more than a few bodies per lake, from what I've heard of the place... Dave's dad grew up in Maine and lives very near Camden (in Bangor, home of Stephen King) Your 'Twin Peaks' assessment is really very accurate. Maine is a beautiful place, but it can get a little scary up there. There are 'backwoods' families up there like you read about. And my brother-in-law swears there's a group of feral children who live in the north woods, who occasionally break into people's homes for items such as clothing etc. In general, the people who live there tend to be quite tough. I have a crazy theory that the temperament of any group of people is largely influenced by the type of weather they have to put up with. > Looks nice though; wouldn't mind visiting some time. Maybe it WAS a good > venue for PopTech after all. I actually think you might like Maine very much!! If you ever do come for a visit we'll meet you there & take you out for breakfast. We know a great diner up there where they serve amazingly huge breakfasts, at very old-fashioned prices :) xxxx Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #279 ***************************