From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #240 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 05 : Number 240 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Thomas' article for Recording Industry Association of America [Rob] Alloy: piracy issue/example [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: piracy issue/example ["Melissa R. Jordan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:47:24 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Thomas' article for Recording Industry Association of America Please link through to http://www.riaa.com/Guest_Column0900.cfm for Part 1, and http://www.riaa.com/Guest_Column.cfm for Part 2 of an article Thomas has written, dealing directly with the Internet music piracy issue. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:25:24 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: piracy issue/example I've just received an offer that seems to have been sent to me as part of someone's list. Not sure whose, because nobody signed it... The offer is for a copy of the King Biscuit Flour Hour radio show featuring TMDR live in concert, for ten bucks plus shipping. The songs in this show are in identical order to those on Live Wireless, minus several which are skipped (missing sets of songs are Europa/Windpower, then Urban Tribal, and then Jungle Line/Puppet Theatre/Samson & Delilah - leaving only those songs which might be most well-known to the American audience) Regardless of the contents of the King Biscuit show - which had a limited license to feature Thomas' work at the time, no doubt - the person/people selling cds of the show now possess no such license I'm sure. This is an example of music piracy like the ones being discussed throughout the recording industry these days. I've been reading the article Thomas wrote & what he says makes a vast amount of sense. It's such a touchy issue, with all kinds of technology making it easy to put out professional-quality stuff while sidestepping the obligation of actually paying the artist who created it in the first place. What might be a correct way to proceed in such a case - if you were the artist, say, and this were your material being sold by someone else? What might we as fans do to (politely!!) reprimand people doing this? What are the legal ramifications of an offer like the one below, in light of the pirating issue? Robin T Subject: Thomas Dolby Live Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: LiveRadioShows@webtv.net To: rthurlow@worldshare.net Sent message Help From: LiveRadioShows@webtv.net Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 8:39am To: overmyhead@earthlink.net Subject: Missing Persons Live Hi, I noticed your interest in the band Thomas Dolby. I have a Live Radio Only show called the King Biscuit Flower Hour featuring Thomas Dolby/Missing Persons from 1983. This is a Great raw Live show, from to of the first New Wave bands! If you are interested, I'll make you a CD, and copy of the Original DJ Cue sheet for $10.00 plus shipping. If you're not interested, I thank you for your time. Here is the track list for the show, Thomas Dolby One Of Our Submarines Radio Silence New Toy Flying North She Blinded Me With Science Airwaves Missing Persons Mental Hopscotch Words Windows Walking In LA I Like Boys Destination Unknown This show is very Rare, and Very Good! Let me know. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:55:09 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: piracy issue/example Robin, The timing on your post is so odd, as James and I were discussing just last night his tape of this specific concert. I had mentioned to him that people sell tapes of these concerts (not just Dolby) on eBay for ridiculous amounts of $$. I've seen some go for $60 - $150 depending on the band. I've never been inclined in the least to bid or buy. It doesn't seem right at all. James thought this practice - and the prices they generated - was insane, since he figured most of these guys were just selling second- or third-generation tapes of recording that they, like he, made off the radio in high school (on a $1.50 Memorex tape...) What a rip off for both artist and fan. Giving tapes to friends of recordings never to be broadcast again or never to be found for sale, that's one thing. Selling them - that's something else, in a big, ugly way. Gotta go fly to Texas - it's my mom's very last WWII W.A.S.P. Pilots' Reunion. This time, in Sweetwater, Texas, where these amazing women trained at Avenger Field. This is going to be quite a trip. The poles are tethers we were born in, Melissa Robin Thurlow wrote: > I've just received an offer that seems to have been sent to me as part > of someone's list. Not sure whose, because nobody signed it... The > offer is for a copy of the King Biscuit Flour Hour radio show featuring > TMDR live in concert, for ten bucks plus shipping. The songs in this > show are in identical order to those on Live Wireless, minus several > which are skipped (missing sets of songs are Europa/Windpower, then > Urban Tribal, and then Jungle Line/Puppet Theatre/Samson & Delilah - > leaving only those songs which might be most well-known to the American > audience) Regardless of the contents of the King Biscuit show - which > had a limited license to feature Thomas' work at the time, no doubt - > the person/people selling cds of the show now possess no such license > I'm sure. This is an example of music piracy like the ones being > discussed throughout the recording industry these days. > > I've been reading the article Thomas wrote & what he says makes a vast > amount of sense. It's such a touchy issue, with all kinds of technology > making it easy to put out professional-quality stuff while sidestepping > the obligation of actually paying the artist who created it in the first > place. > > What might be a correct way to proceed in such a case - if you were the > artist, say, and this were your material being sold by someone else? > What might we as fans do to (politely!!) reprimand people doing this? > What are the legal ramifications of an offer like the one below, in > light of the pirating issue? > > Robin T > > Subject: > Thomas Dolby Live > Date: > Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:20:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: > LiveRadioShows@webtv.net > To: > rthurlow@worldshare.net > > Sent message > Help > From: LiveRadioShows@webtv.net Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2000, 8:39am To: > overmyhead@earthlink.net Subject: Missing Persons Live > Hi, > I noticed your interest in the band Thomas Dolby. I have a Live Radio > Only show called the King Biscuit Flower Hour featuring Thomas > Dolby/Missing Persons from 1983. This is a Great raw Live show, from to > of the first New Wave bands! If you are interested, I'll make you a CD, > and copy of the Original DJ Cue sheet for $10.00 plus shipping. If > you're not interested, I thank you for your time. Here is the track list > > for the show, > > Thomas Dolby > One Of Our Submarines > Radio Silence > New Toy > Flying North > She Blinded Me With Science > Airwaves > > Missing Persons > Mental Hopscotch > Words > Windows > Walking In LA > I Like Boys > Destination Unknown > > This show is very Rare, and Very Good! Let me know. > > Thanks, - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist/Rubber Maven, Compass Rose Studios (http://crstudios.com) Chief Navigator, Compass Rose Consulting (http://askcrc.com) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #240 ***************************