From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #199 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, August 15 2000 Volume 05 : Number 199 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: It seems she went aground on maneuvers ["Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: It seems she went aground on maneuvers From CNN: "The defence ministry at first reported that the Kursk went aground after torpedo tubes flooded during a training exercise." I know this isn't really Dolby-related, but, today, when I heard about the Russian sub stranded at the bottom of the Barents Sea, I got such a cold feeling from my head to my feet. As some of you Alloy-folk know, I encountered some Soviet submariners up in the Arctic Circle in 1989, and I wrote about it in Alloy in 1996 (which seems a very long time ago.) Just a couple of weeks ago, I resurrected my Alloy submarine story for a magazine that is interested in publishing it, in a somewhat altered form. It's a bittersweet slice of success. Reworking & refining the story brought back many memories, and I've been thinking about those sailors a lot. Now, I just feel horrible about those men, stuck in their spam tin, waiting to die. Miraculously, the British Navy has had sailors escape and swim up from depths even greater than the 350 feet down where the Kursk lies. However, the Royal Navy didn't do it in freezing Arctic waters. Very strangely, the "hush hush" sub accident I wrote about in Alloy in '96 is mentioned in the last paragraph of cnn.com's story of the Kursk. I've never seen it referenced before now. Wish good karma on these men. - - Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: It seems she went aground on maneuvers On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Melissa R. Jordan wrote: > "The defence ministry at first reported that the Kursk went aground > after torpedo tubes flooded during a training exercise." > > I know this isn't really Dolby-related, but, today, when I heard about > the Russian sub stranded at the bottom of the Barents Sea, I got such a > cold feeling from my head to my feet. Given the eerie resemblance between this story and Thomas' little tale, I'd say we aren't really very far off-topic here. It's strange, but 350 ft. doesn't seem so deep when you realize the submarine in question is over 500 ft. long! Too bad they can't just stand it on-end and climb out. (Why I got that humorous image from such a dire situation is beyond me, sorry.) > As some of you Alloy-folk know, I encountered some Soviet submariners > up in the Arctic Circle in 1989, and I wrote about it in Alloy in 1996 > (which seems a very long time ago.) Just a couple of weeks ago, I > resurrected my Alloy submarine story for a magazine that is interested > in publishing it, in a somewhat altered form. Was this before the accident or since? > Very strangely, the "hush hush" sub accident I wrote about in Alloy in > '96 is mentioned in the last paragraph of cnn.com's story of the Kursk. > I've never seen it referenced before now. If you are refering to the Komsomolets, I got many hits regarding it off of Altavista, mostly due to the concern about radiation leakage threatening the fishing industry: http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/KOMSO.HTM and a story about the tenth anniversary of the incident: http://www.bellona.no/imaker?sub=1&id=7732 > Wish good karma on these men. Indeed. BC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:46:52 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Re: Alloy: It seems she went aground on maneuvers Brian Clayton wrote: > Was this before the accident or since? > You mean the magazine request? It was in late July, well before this incident. (And the request didn't actually have to do with the submarine aspect of the story - it was for the "travel adventure" side of things, but the submarine story stayed in.) > > Very strangely, the "hush hush" sub accident I wrote about in Alloy in > > '96 is mentioned in the last paragraph of cnn.com's story of the Kursk. > > I've never seen it referenced before now. > > If you are refering to the Komsomolets, I got many hits regarding it > off of Altavista, mostly due to the concern about radiation leakage > threatening the fishing industry: Yeah - I was just talking to a friend of mine from Moscow about that - she told me I was mistaken - the incident I heard about wasn't the Komsomolets - *that* one they had to make public because of the fishing issues, etc. (Don't ask me how I missed the news on that one - I was LIVING in Russia at the time!) I heard a lot of stories back then, about which I probably wasn't supposed to hear anything. :-( So, I reckon I'll never know the full details on the other one, unless the Soviet military archives decide to make it public. Must go clean the kitchen... - - MRJ - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist/Rubber Maven, Compass Rose Studios (http://crstudios.com) Chief Navigator, Compass Rose Consulting (http://askcrc.com) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #199 ***************************