From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #184 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, July 27 2000 Volume 05 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Hello Again [Jon ] Re: Alloy: Hello Again [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 [Damien Sweeney ] Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 [Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: Hello Again Hello Alloy. Robin, I know this sounds quite pathetic, but I don't know how to change my emaill address on this list. I haven't received an Alloy post in 2 weeks, help! Thanks >>Jon jgarabieta@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:24:33 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Hello Again Hi Jon, it should be okay now! Please let me know if you get this post via Alloy as well as privately (I've subbed you at the address you listed) xxxx Robin T Jon wrote: > Hello Alloy. > Robin, I know this sounds quite pathetic, but I don't know how to > change my emaill address on this list. I haven't received an Alloy post > in 2 weeks, help! Thanks >>Jon > jgarabieta@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:32:00 -0500 From: Damien Sweeney Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 >I know Bryan Ferry started in the 70's and is still going, but I first >heard him in his 'Avalon'/'Boys and Girls' era & the music meant the world to >me then (not 'posh' like everyone describes, but more like a strange dream >world he takes us through), as well as definitely standing the test of time... > >I thought the same thing - they were a rock band, bassist, guitarist and (kick >ass) drummer, not really in line with 'new wave' at all. At least the survey >people didn't include Huey Lewis and the News, which is a band that inexplicably >keeps popping up lately on 'new wave' compilations here in the states. >Please!!! > >I never knew Thomas liked Psychadelic Furs! I've always loved this band - the >singer's draggy, gritty voice and unadorned delivery really grabs me. Very >cool. > >Robin T >------------------------------ > >I like the other ideas you guys are posting, too.. The Cure, especially >the older stuff like "Let's Go to Bed" -- that was from 1982. New-wave >radio staple. I can't really decide myself, but other ideas I thought of >include B-52's and Squeeze. >>- -- >Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > >> >However, with regards to the "winners" The Police.. I feel that they were >indeed a "New Wave" band at the time they came out.. "Roxanne" .... > >Mark Ok, my two cents... I agree with Mark, (sorry Robin...)The Police were "New Wave" when they first came out with that sparse ska sound-AND kick ass drummer Stewart! Listen to their first two albums and put them up against the "Pat Benatar, Rick Springfield, Huey Lewis, Hall & Oates & The Cars (1st two albums are fun though..) types" of the American music scene of the time. (God! just look at that list will ya! I'm embarrassed to be an American sometimes...). The Police were truly original - as were the Furs and the B52's. The B's Quiche Loraine was pure early New Wave and they are a credit to the American New Wave scene (as are the Talking Heads). The Cure have been around FOREVER and HAVE to be New Wave. They simply must - if not then who?. Squeeze is great too but for some reason I just put them in a class by themselves and I never considered them New Wave - don't really know why... I mean compared to like the (old) Human League or some of the other synth based bands. Not that you have to be synth based band or artist to be new wave - but it helps! It does seem to be a common characteristic. If nothing else, New Wave music got us away from the endless "16th notes on the high-hat" mantra of disco. Bryan Ferry - yep! Avalon is great. ABC was a lot of fun too... Anyone remember Ebn-Ozn - AEIOU Sometimes Y? Too fun. Hey, perhaps it might be easier (and more fun!) to make a list of those who were decidedly NOT New Wave... Duran Duran and Culture Club are a good start, let's add Wang Chung and Men Without Hats! "We can dance if we want to..." Safety Dance? Wha? What the @#$!!??? - - yeah, whatever... Damien - Has anybody seen a dog dyed dark green?... dsweeney@netpros-inc.net Network Professionals, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:35:53 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 Damien Sweeney wrote: >Squeeze is great too but for some reason I just put them in a class by themselves and I never considered them New Wave - don't really know why... That's how I feel about The Police, too, actually! not easily 'labeled' as one thing or another, just incredibly good and original in their own right - though I think I do tend to think of them more along the lines of punk (early on at least) Lots of bands from that time period were definitely unclassifyable - Madness for instance. What were they?? > Anyone remember Ebn-Ozn - AEIOU Sometimes Y? Too fun. This was one of my friend's favorite songs at the time, she had the import. "I dare you to play this record.." LOL :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:32:58 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 Hey Damien.. Well said! You had me LOL ing here with your reference to the "Safety Dance"! That was great! I never did figure that out either! Let's see.. you managed to name quite a few of the ones I would have also put on the list.. now I'll have to come up with some too in my next post.. Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:50:27 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 (new wave) Damien Sweeney wrote: > > Not that you have to be synth based band or artist to be > new > wave - but it helps! It does seem to be a common characteristic. If > nothing else, > New Wave music got us away from the endless "16th notes on the high-hat" > mantra of > disco. Bryan Ferry - yep! Avalon is great. ABC was a lot of fun too... > Anyone > remember Ebn-Ozn - AEIOU Sometimes Y? Too fun. Hey, perhaps it might be > easier > (and more fun!) to make a list of those who were decidedly NOT New Wave... > Duran > Duran and Culture Club are a good start, let's add Wang Chung and Men > Without Hats! > > "We can dance if we want to..." Safety Dance? Wha? What the @#$!!??? > - yeah, whatever... (Old Fart Mode 'ON.') New Wave. Oh dear. I was already beginning to lose interest in the charts by the time 'new wave' came along. It seemed a lot of people jumped on the band wagon and called themselves new wave to try to get some cred. I agree that it had the positive effect of displacing disco as the dominant chart content, but unfortunately there was an awful lot of crap released under the new wave banner which tended to detract from the good stuff. Re: Safety Dance. I always wondered if there was a Mondegreen there (I'm sure 'safe to dance' was in the lyric somewhere ) but regardless of what it was supposed to be about, I quite enjoyed it. And Wang Chung too, not that I can now remember what their big hit was. Wasn't there a dispute with another band called Huang Chung at the time? And does anyone remember 'Tantalise' by Jimmy the Hoover? A catchly little tune, but another one hit wonder. As far as Bryan Ferry was concerned, I had a friend working at Island Records when the first Roxy Music album was released, in limited numbers, and he managed to 'divert' a copy to me. I probably had the first copy in the north of England. It was very different to Bryan's later work, but I certainly liked the first two albums. Getting back to new wave, I'm now hard pressed to remember any new wave bands, apart from those that REALLY irritated me (Sham 69 and The Buzzcocks spring to mind). The idea that anyone can pick up an instrument and play it may be OK in theory but some of them should have just done it in the privacy of their own homes. Slarv (Old fart mode 'Off.') ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:52:49 -0700 From: Kathleen Presser Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #183 > I have to say my bit about new wave bands. Did anyone ever think about Gary > Newman???? Didn't he used nothing but synthesizers?? Have to admit, I kinda link > Duran Duran. Sorry... I had no idea though that Duran Duran did a rip off of one of > Dolby's songs. Too bad!! Duran Duran shouldn't have to rip off anyone's songs. > Oh, how about the Eurythmics? Annie Lennox Rocks!!!! Anyway, I missed seeing Thomas > on the 24th, but plan to tape the next time he's on 'The List'.. > > Too Hip > Kate;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #183 (new wave) Absolutely agreed, Slarv. And yet there was some good stuff too. Since I had a minute I went out looking for whatever the WWW has to offer on the subject and found some interesting sites. One does the obvious icons, but also the underground and indie stuff.. much of it I've never even heard of. But I was reminded of stuff I thought was pretty good at the time, such as Romeo Void, Fun Boy Three, Plimsouls. Pop Will Eat Itself, The Alarm, The Fixx, Aztec Camera, Blondie, Missing Persons, X, Oingo Boingo. Yaz & Yello. Talk Talk, Stray Cats. Pretenders ! Level 42 !! Siouxsie!! Public Image Limited !!! I know Thomas didn't dream up this excursion, but I'm very glad he took part in the show -- cause it's been a blast of nostalgia for me and I appreciate it. Early REM. I hadn't even thought about "Radio Free Europe" and "Rockville." And as soon as I saw Smithereens, I immediately thought of whatever car company is using "Blood and Roses" ad nauseum on television in the U.S. right now. Which is a really good song.. (and I'm glad I can't tell you what the ad is for.) and The Replacements, and ... yeah, okay, I can deal with Squeeze being their own category. But Split Enz goes there, too. Paul what do you have to chime in on the subject? :) I'm sorry. I'm going overboard. It's like, a floodgate of reminiscing. I'm sure it's tied to my 15th high school reunion, which is coming next month and for which I just finished making some memorabilia and current webpages. My first ever real web pages, at that! Funny how seemingly incongruous things sometimes come together. Anyway... (Yes I remember EBN-OZN!) - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > Getting back to new wave, I'm now hard pressed to remember any new > wave bands, apart from those that REALLY irritated me (Sham 69 and The > Buzzcocks spring to mind). The idea that anyone can pick up an > instrument and play it may be OK in theory but some of them should > have just done it in the privacy of their own homes. > > Slarv > > (Old fart mode 'Off.') ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #184 ***************************