From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #183 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 05 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List [Robin Thurlow ] Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: The List - TMDR vs. Duran Duran [Brian Clayton ] Re: Alloy: The List - TMDR vs. Duran Duran [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List [CJMark@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:07:25 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List Yes, please Melissa, do tell :) !!! Robin T "Melissa R. Jordan" wrote: > Totally anti-social until I get these articles done (more on that soon!), ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:25:02 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List Elaine Linstruth wrote: > Robin I agree. :) Loved that jacket. But he was paneled with some real > dorks. LOL! I thought the Bauhaus guy was just being deliberately silly & funny though... He and Thomas had some things to discuss about the British music scene of that time period, having both been there as part of it - which was cool. In was happy it wasn't just an American perspective on 'new wave' bands. So many of the best bands I remember from that time never made it in the US. And I loved the reaction of the guy on Thomas' right whose every choice of favorite new wave band was criticised/removed by the others (the guy to whom Thomas slipped some cash for saying something complimentary about him... at which I nearly fell off the sofa laughing) I know I'm coming from a different viewpoint from everyone else here pretty much, but I thought The Cure should have been up there somewhere. Entirely distinctive sound from other bands, unique and surreal lyrics, and excellent musicianship. Though from a musician's standpoint, maybe they're considered a 'one-trick pony' material-wise... I still love them. And Bryan Ferry/Roxy Music. I know Bryan Ferry started in the 70's and is still going, but I first heard him in his 'Avalon'/'Boys and Girls' era & the music meant the world to me then (not 'posh' like everyone describes, but more like a strange dream world he takes us through), as well as definitely standing the test of time... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:19:29 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List I agreed with most of the choices except the number one pick - the Police. I never thought of them as a new-wave band. I always put new-wave as heavy on the synthesizers. That really does not describe the Police. I think I would have chosen Depeche Mode as the definitive New Wave band - nothing but synthesizers (in the early days). - -Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thurlow To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List > >Elaine Linstruth wrote: > >> Robin I agree. :) Loved that jacket. But he was paneled with some real >> dorks. > >LOL! I thought the Bauhaus guy was just being deliberately silly & funny >though... He and Thomas had some things to discuss about the British music >scene of that time period, having both been there as part of it - which was >cool. In was happy it wasn't just an American perspective on 'new wave' >bands. So many of the best bands I remember from that time never made it in >the US. And I loved the reaction of the guy on Thomas' right whose every >choice of favorite new wave band was criticised/removed by the others (the guy >to whom Thomas slipped some cash for saying something complimentary about >him... at which I nearly fell off the sofa laughing) > >I know I'm coming from a different viewpoint from everyone else here pretty >much, but I thought The Cure should have been up there somewhere. Entirely >distinctive sound from other bands, unique and surreal lyrics, and excellent >musicianship. Though from a musician's standpoint, maybe they're considered a >'one-trick pony' material-wise... I still love them. And Bryan Ferry/Roxy >Music. I know Bryan Ferry started in the 70's and is still going, but I first >heard him in his 'Avalon'/'Boys and Girls' era & the music meant the world to >me then (not 'posh' like everyone describes, but more like a strange dream >world he takes us through), as well as definitely standing the test of time... > >Robin T > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:29:06 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List Keith Stansell wrote: > I agreed with most of the choices except the number one pick - the Police. > I never thought of them as a new-wave band. I always put new-wave as heavy > on the synthesizers. That really does not describe the Police. I thought the same thing - they were a rock band, bassist, guitarist and (kick ass) drummer, not really in line with 'new wave' at all. At least the survey people didn't include Huey Lewis and the News, which is a band that inexplicably keeps popping up lately on 'new wave' compilations here in the states. Please!!! I never knew Thomas liked Psychadelic Furs! I've always loved this band - the singer's draggy, gritty voice and unadorned delivery really grabs me. Very cool. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: The List - TMDR vs. Duran Duran Did anyone else perceive that Thomas' vote against Duran Duran was his long-delayed revenge against them for ripping off his "Dissidents" video for their "New Moon on Monday" video? And it would have worked too, if Lolita "I don't know a thing about the 80's music scene" Davidovich hadn't put Duran Duran back onto the list. Bah. Remind me not to see any of her films. Oh wait, I don't think I ever HAVE seen any of her films, and probably never will if this is all she does for a living now. Oh well, it was a good try, Thomas. BC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: The List - TMDR vs. Duran Duran Yeah. Duran Duran belongs on a "New Wave" list about as much as Culture Club does, to me. He was right to take them off, and she is an idiot. :) I like the other ideas you guys are posting, too.. The Cure, especially the older stuff like "Let's Go to Bed" -- that was from 1982. New-wave radio staple. I can't really decide myself, but other ideas I thought of include B-52's and Squeeze. On Sunday night while I was thinking about it (ran into the timer I'd set in on my Dishnet), I realized it's kinda hard if you don't define British New Wave. As an American, it's what the "wave" implied to me.. but I guess if you're British the wave might be strictly American bands? - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Brian Clayton wrote: > Did anyone else perceive that Thomas' vote against Duran Duran was his > long-delayed revenge against them for ripping off his "Dissidents" video > for their "New Moon on Monday" video? > > And it would have worked too, if Lolita "I don't know a thing about the > 80's music scene" Davidovich hadn't put Duran Duran back onto the list. > Bah. Remind me not to see any of her films. Oh wait, I don't think > I ever HAVE seen any of her films, and probably never will if this is > all she does for a living now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:51:07 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: The List - the cure Elaine Linstruth wrote: > The Cure, especially the older stuff like "Let's Go to Bed" -- that was from > 1982. One of my all time favorites of theirs is Charlotte Sometimes (about a Vampire, I think..) If you ever want to see a club full of goths run like hell to the dance floor, just spin this one & watch the reaction... Robin T :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:34:57 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR on The List Hello all.. Well.. it was an interesting show.. though if Thomas hadn't been there I could have easily slept through the entire thing. Fortunately.. each time I was about to doze off.. they came back around to him and revived me. Great choices, Thomas! However, with regards to the "winners" The Police.. I feel that they were indeed a "New Wave" band at the time they came out.. "Roxanne" was heard on the local alternative Seattle radio station KZAM.. and I remember being amazed at the sparse sound and quirky melody. It demanded a listen.. and soon after had me singing along.. to the chagrin of my "good ol' rock and roll loving co-workers at the time. The Police became more mainstream as New Wave became more accepted and gained radio play.. but they were at the vanguard of the movement in it's infancy. My question.. why does New Wave necessarily have to include synthesizer? I think the primary element that New Wave embodied was the return to basic song writing. This included the elimination of unecessary musical elements. It stripped away the heavy sounds of the dinosaur, satin panted, platform shoed, long haired bands that had sprung up like nasty weeds all over the airwaves. New Wave could be pop based or rock based or punk based.. but the more popular New Wave groups seemed to perform basic songs.. melodic.. musical.. yet, not too jazzy.. not too bluesy.. simple songs that younger musicians could play without having to study for years. (With a notable exception.. our own TMDR!) The younger musicians.. always on the forefront of fashion.. often attractive.. naturally landed on the newly formed MTV venue.. where the highly stylistic approach to visual interpretation of a song was displayed and altered to create still more interest... and which was also expanded with the 60's retro fashion look that many New Wave groups adopted and adapted.. and which helped eventually lead to the entire musical genre's demise.. since anything that becomes mainstream is no longer new and revolutionary.. and therefore no longer appeals to the youngest, "coolest", audience. Anyhow.. Thanks Thomas.. for holding up well under fire on the show..! I've said enough! Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #183 ***************************