From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #162 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 05 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: TMDR jams with Bowie! [Robyn Moore <kbrm@iefx.com>] Alloy: Golden Age of W - Millenium Edition [andyjmail@cheerful.com] Alloy: strange dream about Thomas [Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu] Alloy: Lissu Sings! [DAbbitt32@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Lissu Sings! ["Robin Thurlow" <rthurlow@worldshare.net>] Alloy: Song of the Week: Urges ["Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:57:58 -0700 From: Robyn Moore <kbrm@iefx.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR jams with Bowie! At 03:34 2000.06.22, you wrote: > So, you think I would have learned my lesson and never turned down >tickets again. But no...I had to turn down a spontaneous invite, from a >friend, to see Bowie here in NYC. And Thomas plays!!! I should have >known...the signs were all there...Bowie bumped into me and practically >knocked me over, on his way into the VIP lounge at a WIRE show a week >earlier. It was a sign from God!!! (excuse me while I kick myself to >sleep) >>Jon ::comf:: Seems like it's been a week for lost opportunities. However, I have a feeling we'll all get another chance one of these days. Oddly enough, you weren't the only one recently to have missed a Dolby opportunity. My husband was away all last week at USENIX in San Diego, where he discovered Our Hero was the closing speaker for the conference. Unfortunately, Kevin's return flight necessitated his leaving before the speech, and despite a valiant effort, he couldn't get it rescheduled. Robyn M @ Robyn Moore <kbrm@iefx.com> @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: Golden Age of W - Millenium Edition Hi all, A suggestion for the holder of the copyright... how about releasing The Golden Age of Wireless - Millenium Edition? All the tracks from all the versions... including Leipzig (Therapy/Growth too?), Urges, the Wreck of the Fairchild, Airwaves (Full), One of Our Submarines, both versions of Radio Silence, and the longer versions of Windpower and She Blinded Me With Science. And possibly include some bonus tracks from the era such as New Toy (from Live Wireless) and Airwaves (4 track demo). Or possibly a cleaned up version of Live Wireless as a bonus disc?! All "Digitally remastered" of course :o) and including the radio noises that link the tracks on some versions. With the spread of MP3 and increased piracy, this could be last chance to make money from such back catalogue material. I believe there will shortly be a complete collection of the Beatles hitting the shelves, in answer to the pirate MP3 CDRs doing the rounds. Any comments? +AndyJ+ Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll overfish, cause famine in the next three regions and pollute the atmosphere with his rotting fish. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:29:39 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow <rthurlow@binghamton.edu> Subject: Alloy: strange dream about Thomas I had a really odd dream about Thomas this morning. He wasn't in it exactly; I'd just received a package from him in the mail, in this dream. It was a small box wrapped in brown paper with the usual addresses written on it... but also, all over the paper wrapper were little notes he'd written to remind himself to do things. Errands he had to run, things he had to do at work, people he had to get in touch with, all jotted down in a somewhat frantic fashion all over the piece of mail he'd just sent. I remember thinking in the dream, 'boy, Thomas needs a vacation...' !! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:50:13 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Lissu Sings! So guess what I got in the mail today? Lissu was kind enough to send me a personally autographed copy of her CD Single "Shelter". More of an EP, really, the CD consists of 4 fabulous versions of the song (Of course, I ripped it open the second it arrived and gave it a spin). What can I say, except THANK YOU, Lissu! The note within was very sweet and I really appreciate the great music. - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:35:20 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" <rthurlow@worldshare.net> Subject: Re: Alloy: Lissu Sings! Lissu, please tell us where we can buy this! xxx Robin T - ----- Original Message ----- From: <DAbbitt32@aol.com> To: <alloy@smoe.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Alloy: Lissu Sings! > > So guess what I got in the mail today? > > Lissu was kind enough to send me a personally autographed copy of her CD > Single "Shelter". More of an EP, really, the CD consists of 4 fabulous > versions of the song (Of course, I ripped it open the second it arrived and > gave it a spin). What can I say, except THANK YOU, Lissu! The note within > was very sweet and I really appreciate the great music. > > -Dabbitt > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:46:37 -0400 From: "Mary A. Brown" <Mary_A_Brown@compuserve.com> Subject: Alloy: Song of the Week: Urges Well, since Robin encouraged me, I'll add my thoughts on Urges. But first, if I may, I'd like to make a suggestion. Even though it is space consuming, I believe that posting the lyrics one time for each Song of the Week is a good idea. I would request that when one is commenting on the song that s/he only cite those lines that are relevant rather than just quoting the entire original post. I think there are some folks who aren't 100% sure of the words to certain songs because their pressing didn't come with a lyric sheet or their only copy came from someone was kind enough to tape it for them. Plus, I know for a fact that there are individuals who, unlike you and me, Robin, don't pore over the liner notes ;-). And of course, as the Tap Room and Alloy will attest, TMDR's songs are ripe for mondegreens (yes, while I'm mortified to admit it, I've misheard lyrics myself!). I'm also hopeful that having the lyrics right in front of everyone will inspire more of our group to respond. It's clear that we all are busy people so anything that would enable us to spend time writing rather than hunting down our CD booklets would seem beneficial. And this strikes me as a great opportunity to establish the *definitive* TMDR lyric collection. Sure, there are sites which have words to selected songs but it would be a great resource for old and new fans if they were all in one place. If you have time constraints, Robin, I volunteer to type them up. But back to those restless Urges... I first heard Urges when I was in my early twenties but I was probably in a similar stage of sexual development as Robin was (Melissa can more eloquently describe what life was like for a Catholic girl growing up in the Midwest than I can). I was busy being a serious biology student so the club atmosphere was something I only observed infrequently. I was definitely "ashamed of things about my body" though not in the same way as I interpreted the lyrics, i.e. that the protaganist was visibly responding to the provocative dress and movements of the women around him. I'm not proportioned particularly well and since I was cruelly teased about that when I was younger, I was quite sensitive about my build. But alcohol allowed me to feel less self-conscious, just like it did for the guy in the song. I always loved the way that Thomas sang the second verse: "She's here the heat is rising He moves slowly she's a china doll By degrees, he'll loosen her composure She knows he knows she knows he knows" His tone of voice struck me as very seductive and had the savvy to imply they both know what's going on but they will let the game play out because, despite our perceived superiority, we humans have mating rituals just like the birds and beasts. (For more on this topic see: Urban Tribal) Even though he has a very specific agenda, the singer is still willing to treat the woman with the care you would use for a fragile nicknack. "China doll" also conjures up the models of the female body that Asian women once used when they saw a doctor because they were too modest to directly tell him their complaints. Thomas' voice also got to me with his delivery of the lines: "Try to contain the stuff that's in your body Bit silly when your head's no good" For those of you who are in the UK, I'm sure it's difficult for you to understand, but there is just something about the way he pronounced "body" that sent a shiver down my spine. For me too, the line: "In the footlight the ape in motion Spins circles all across the floor" is especially moving. Geneticist that I am, I know how closely related we are to simians and it was merely chance mutations that brought us to where we are. However, I interpret: "Girl this time it's a new sensation It's never been this way before" as a just another pickup line. The guy is jadedly cool and is trying to dupe the girl into thinking that she is special when he certainly doesn't believe it and is only saying what he thinks will get him what he wants. I agree with Michael that this song is incredibly powerful when performed live. There are deceptively simple elements to it such as the rhythm that is insistent as a heartbeat and that driving keyboard which become more complex when expanded upon without the constraints of the studio. This song's meaning has grown for me over the years, especially after I heard an interview with Thomas on a radio show, recorded around the time Astronauts and Heretics was released. A generous friend sent me a tape of it and at one point Thomas talks about Neon Sisters. He says that when he was about 20, he and his friends were part of the New Romantics scene and ran around to all the clubs (he mentions "Club For Heroes" <and this may be a mondegreen as well!> which rings a faint bell from those days when I ravenously read NME and Melody Maker - will you folks across the pond correct or enlighten me here?). One night he was at a club a few years later and saw a roadie he used to know. This guy asked him if he had heard about their mutual friend who died of AIDS. TMDR reflected to the interviewer, "His past was my past too and his past had caught up with him." I interpreted this as in his youth Thomas had engaged in risky behavior, some of which was recorded for posterity in Urges. One more thing that makes Urges special for me is that Andy Partridge plays on it. I adore XTC and since TMDR is a fan as well, I'm sure he was thrilled to pieces to work with one of his idols. I really enjoy it when someone I care about gets to have a dream come true. Okay, I'll shut up for awhile...at least until the next Song of the Week! Europa ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #162 ***************************