From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #128 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 05 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Ace ["Ian Gifford" ] Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. [Dennis S Alexander ] Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. [Kathleen Truelove Presser ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:02:47 EDT From: "Ian Gifford" Subject: Alloy: Ace OH MY GOD!!! I am Crying! I mean it. That was a gorgeous sound. I spent a few years in the drum corps as a child. We had some great arrangers and we did some cool songs. My faves were always the versions of "Sing sing sing", "Birdland" (weather report) and "copacabana". I find that sound haunting as anything and even get emotional at parades. I have been tempted to go to some of the DCI shows but am afraid of being a bubbling mess. THere are two sounds that can do that to me....a fantastic show band and bagpipes playing "Amazing Grace". I was very impressed by the drum section here. It sounded quite stripped down.... no cymbals, no Toms, just Bass and Snare. Very tight and impactual. The break down is where the tears started flowing for me. I think maybe it was memories of when I was a kid and being in absolute heaven during those soncerts and parades. What an experience for a ten year old!!!! WOW. Thanks for sending that on.....I have saved it and can't wait to listen again. Mr.DOlby must be proud. Ian >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:42 -0500 >From: Lee Jackson >Subject: Re: Alloy: Science MP3 > >On Mon, 22 May 2000 18:31:24 EDT, you wrote: > > >Mr Dolby has just forwarded me the following link for everyone here at >Alloy > >- it's a marching band version of his song! > > > >http://lsjumb.stanford.edu/Soundz/SheBlindedMeWithScience.mp3 > > > >This band is fantastic, and it's so bizarre hearing 'She Blinded Me..' > >performed like this - I love it!! > >There's another of his songs that has been put on the field - "The Keys to >Her Ferrari." It was done by a Drum and Bugle Corps - the Glassmen of >Toledo, Ohio, back in the early '90s. I wish I could find an MP3 of it, >but alas, I can't. I witnessed the performance at DCI finals in Dallas, >though, and I'll say this - it was a rather bizarre arrangement of the >song. You had to strain to recognize it. > >- -- >Lee Jackson (jacksonhome@home.com) >http://gameaudio.3dportal.com > >------------------------------ > >End of alloy-digest V5 #127 >*************************** > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:14:08 -0600 From: Dennis S Alexander Subject: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. Hmpf. It happened again. 2 weeks left in my contract and they let me go as if I were being fired. (it was a contract-to-hire position) Now get this! This is the reason they gave me... "You're our best, brightest tech. We know you know our system inside and out; probably better than anyone else we could ever hope to find. However, you're not communicating that knowledge to our other support personnel and we can't afford to have that..." Um, excuse me? How come no one communicated to me that there was a communication problem? Get this, I made a web page on my computer which I was dumping all my knowledge into. Absolutely anyone in the company had full access to it and I told several people including my supervisor and her supervisor about the site. They even started using it themselves. I was emailing my boss all the time with bug reports and enhancement suggestions. I had diagrams and illustrations out the kazoo on how I saw things should be structured. I was teaching everyone around me on a constant basis. I was telling my boss on a constant basis, "I need to show this stuff to the others, because there's a lot they don't know that they need to." to which she would reply, "Yeah, we need to set something up." Short of usurping my supervisors authority and setting up the meetings myself, there was no more communication I could have done! Unfortunately, whenever I'm in a situation like that, my mind goes numb and all I can think of to say is something like, "Um, I'm sorry if thats what you saw but that's not what was happening." And that's about it. It's too late anyway. They're not going to reconsider. Its funny, but, my supervisor's boss interviewed me a month ago and said that he was very impressed with me, however I was lacking in communication. I then told him about my web page. He was surprised. I told him that several people, including my supervisor, knew about it. He was pleased with this. Ok, no communication problem at all. Yeah, right! That was the one and only warning about a communication problem! I was fired from one job (setup for failure by my boss. A litteral Dilbert!) due to a lack of reliability. 3 weeks later I was hired by a previous client for my reliability, specifically, which they knew first hand! I got laid off from there (40% of the company) because I didn't have the largest ego, and my supervisor was moved to special projects and the new guy only listened to the loudest egos. Never mind I was pulling my books out and shoving them in my co-workers faces to show them why they were wrong on half the stuff they were doing! Maybe I'm seeing things wrong. Is it not good to be faithful to your company and to do the best job you can? Does it really matter if you are the best in your company? Does it matter that you are not only good at, but also do, the things most people don't like to do, like documentation? How much communication did they want from me? "Boss, I'm going to the bathroom right now. I'm assuming it will take a total of 2 minutes to empty my bladder and to wash my hands appropriately. I'll inform you with a full written report when I've returned." Or is there something wrong with me that no one wants to tell to my face? Are they afraid that if they say, "Your B.O. needs some working on." that I might go postal? What is wrong with these people!? Ok, I'm stepping off my soapbox. Sorry. Frustrated and upset... ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:56:44 +0100 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: Science MP3 This is completely bizarre, I wonder where Thomas heard about it. It really pumps you up. I must play this in my car on the way to work... I wonder if they've thought about other classics...I for one wouldn't mind hearing a brass band version of Hot Sauce. This would probably make it even more hot and spicy than it already is. Trev... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:31 PM Subject: Alloy: Science MP3 > > Mr Dolby has just forwarded me the following link for everyone here at Alloy > - it's a marching band version of his song! > > http://lsjumb.stanford.edu/Soundz/SheBlindedMeWithScience.mp3 > > This band is fantastic, and it's so bizarre hearing 'She Blinded Me..' > performed like this - I love it!! > > Robin T > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:32:44 -0700 From: Kathleen Truelove Presser Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. I totally sympathize with you. Sounds to me like there were a few people who were jealous of your capabilities. Office politics can be so unfair. Hope you find a company with people who appreciate your skills and abilities. Kate;-) Dennis S Alexander wrote: > Hmpf. It happened again. > > 2 weeks left in my contract and they let me go as if I were being fired. > (it was a contract-to-hire position) Now get this! This is the reason > they gave me... > > "You're our best, brightest tech. We know you know our system inside and > out; probably better than anyone else we could ever hope to find. > However, you're not communicating that knowledge to our other support > personnel and we can't afford to have that..." > > Um, excuse me? How come no one communicated to me that there was a > communication problem? Get this, I made a web page on my computer which > I was dumping all my knowledge into. Absolutely anyone in the company > had full access to it and I told several people including my supervisor > and her supervisor about the site. They even started using it > themselves. I was emailing my boss all the time with bug reports and > enhancement suggestions. I had diagrams and illustrations out the kazoo > on how I saw things should be structured. I was teaching everyone around > me on a constant basis. I was telling my boss on a constant basis, "I > need to show this stuff to the others, because there's a lot they don't > know that they need to." to which she would reply, "Yeah, we need to set > something up." Short of usurping my supervisors authority and setting up > the meetings myself, there was no more communication I could have done! > > Unfortunately, whenever I'm in a situation like that, my mind goes numb > and all I can think of to say is something like, "Um, I'm sorry if thats > what you saw but that's not what was happening." And that's about it. > It's too late anyway. They're not going to reconsider. > > Its funny, but, my supervisor's boss interviewed me a month ago and said > that he was very impressed with me, however I was lacking in > communication. I then told him about my web page. He was surprised. I > told him that several people, including my supervisor, knew about it. He > was pleased with this. Ok, no communication problem at all. Yeah, > right! That was the one and only warning about a communication problem! > > I was fired from one job (setup for failure by my boss. A litteral > Dilbert!) due to a lack of reliability. 3 weeks later I was hired by a > previous client for my reliability, specifically, which they knew first > hand! I got laid off from there (40% of the company) because I didn't > have the largest ego, and my supervisor was moved to special projects and > the new guy only listened to the loudest egos. Never mind I was pulling > my books out and shoving them in my co-workers faces to show them why > they were wrong on half the stuff they were doing! > > Maybe I'm seeing things wrong. Is it not good to be faithful to your > company and to do the best job you can? Does it really matter if you are > the best in your company? Does it matter that you are not only good at, > but also do, the things most people don't like to do, like documentation? > How much communication did they want from me? "Boss, I'm going to the > bathroom right now. I'm assuming it will take a total of 2 minutes to > empty my bladder and to wash my hands appropriately. I'll inform you > with a full written report when I've returned." > > Or is there something wrong with me that no one wants to tell to my face? > Are they afraid that if they say, "Your B.O. needs some working on." > that I might go postal? What is wrong with these people!? > > Ok, I'm stepping off my soapbox. Sorry. > > Frustrated and upset... > ___________ > JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) > www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - > Eleanor Roosevelt > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:38:27 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: a permanent home for Alloy posts @ FES being proposed! Dear Everyone @ Alloy: I've just received word from Mr Dolby's web design team that they've proposed featuring some selections from our recent song interpretations discussions on the Flat Earth Society web site! This was a suggestion from the designers, after meeting with Thomas, who said he would like to give more Alloy content a permanent home on the FES. The designers felt the song interpretations would be the most appropriate type of content to go with, given the context of his page. They would like to create a permanent archive of these descriptions on Thomas' site so that former featured essays can be referenced. Of course, I do remember that Stephen was planning to create his own archive of these posts, but I think the two projects would not infringe on one another. The chance to have Alloy members' writing featured on the FES should be taken under consideration by everyone. I think it would be absolutely wonderful to have Alloy members' thoughts about Thomas' work showcased this way on his own site! And so, to all those who have posted (and will post) their interpretations.... please let me know what your feelings are about having our essays about Thomas' work given their very own space on Thomas' site. Interpretations will be credited to each writer (except, of course, those who wish to remain anonymous may always choose to do so) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:11:50 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: OT: Job searching... yet again. Hey Dennis.. So sorry to hear of your latest ride on the idiot boss railroad. Sometimes you just have to continue the search until you find the right group that can appreciate your abilities.. Just a thought.. I think I told you about that web site for Dice.com? They are an IT professional job listing service.. You might want to give it a try. Talk with you soon.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:17:22 -0700 From: "electrix" Subject: Alloy: Something About Mary Well.. I have one more person to person meeting from an Alloy member to add to my list.... Mary Again... it is always so wonderful to meet people one has communicated with in Cyberspace. I had a fun day with both Stephen and Mary, although the weather restricted a few of our experience. It was incredibly hot, I had to put my t-shirt and shorts on (a very unusual thing for me to wear shorts)... when we went further West to the Malibu and Santa Monica Beach we were met by fog. However, we dine at this elegant Italian Restaurant that felt like a million bucks inside. Teased the waitress... and for a moment were acting as if we were Hollywood Star brats. It was great... I rarely ever go out. My life revolves around working. So, it was like having a holiday. It was great getting to know Stephen further... it is almost like I missed a few of his traits during our first encounter. I probably also did the same for Stephen... by now he realizes I can be completely spatially challenged.. as I gave him wrong directions a couple of times. So a co-pilot, I could never be. Thru Mary I got to know more about Stephen and thru Stephen I got to know about Mary. It was the perfect arrangement. We drove around his Taurus... went thru the Malibu Canyons and Freeway, Pepperdine University, Santa Monica Beaches took a detour to Hollywood where Mary has never been. But like angelenos, we didn't get out of the car... I believe Mary mentioned that "no one walks in L.A." and Stephen kept reminding me of this song by Ry Cooder about not stopping the car in LA. I wish I could have been a better host, but not being abreast with what is happening in LA...and out of touch to the point of absent mindedness I was ill prepared for the event. However, I think we made the best of it... with lots of laugh and inside stories. And no doubt, will have a better agenda next time on such short notice. - -- electrix Electric/Midi/Synth Guitarist, Composer http://electricson.iuma.com "Inamorata, your music are tomorrows unknown known life. I love tomorrow." --- Conrad Roberts, Poet (from Miles Davis Live/Evil CD) - -- ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #128 ***************************