From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #117 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, May 13 2000 Volume 05 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #116 [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... [MsSakamoto@aol.com] RE: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... [tim dunn ] Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... ["Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... About a year ago, Thomas wrote us to say that he "decided in the mirror this morning to shave my hair off." I was reminded of this because my husband has done the same thing now! What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of havin' hair. ??? I dunno, I guess it's liberating. If I could get away with it, I might try it myself. Certainly spends less time washing and futzing with his 'do now. Gentlemen, please enlighten me? - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:50:12 EDT From: MsSakamoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... In a message dated 00-05-12 10:42:07 EDT, you write: > What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of > havin' hair. ??? > I dunno, I guess it's liberating. If I could get away with it, I might > try it myself. Certainly spends less time washing and futzing with his > 'do now. > Gentlemen, please enlighten me? I, too, have witnessed this phenomenon. A man that I was dating until recently did the exact same thing a month ago...I think the ladies go through the same thing, although not to such an extreme--I had slightly longer than shoulder-length hair a year ago, then I got pregnant and cut it all off so I looked like a very curvy boy. - --Suzanne-- hair's *finally* growing back ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:56:29 +0100 From: tim dunn Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... Man this is so topical (well for me anyway...) I've been a skinhead (not that kind! The totally apolitical nice-to-your-gran-hairstyle-only sort) for about three years now, but recently, partly due to an imminent payrise possibility, and partly out of sheer morbid curiosity on how bad my forgotten hair would look, I've grown it again. A quick straw poll of all the girls in my house narrowly decided I should keep the hair and see how it goes, but no matter what I do to it it's always in really rank condition so I'm going to shave it again anyway. The big question is Elaine - is this a tactical move by your husband? Is he getting rid of it now before it ups and leaves of its own accord? That's why 90% of guys do it - me included. tara! the_copse - -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Linstruth [mailto:elaine@qnet.com] Subject: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... I was reminded of this because my husband has done the same thing now! What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of havin' hair. ??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:57:46 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... I guess I can speak on the subject having done the same thing. My reasoning was due to thinning hair. I had been using Rogaine for several years and it did slow down the loss, but I finally decided the cost and goop wasn't worth it so last fall I stopped using it. When you stop using it, you start to revert to where you would have been had you not used it - so basically you have a time progression of 3 years of hair loss in about 4 months. I got tired of seeing it getting thinner and thinner and I decided - what the heck, perhaps I can look cool if I just take it off. There was someone in the office that I was working in who had a "smooth head" as I like to call it that I thought looked pretty cool. So I did it. That was about 6 months ago, and the most I ever let it grow back was about 2 weeks before taking it off again. The reaction from friends and family has been mostly positive and I must admit it feels really good to rub on a smooth clean head. Perhaps the other thing is it allows someone such as myself with limited styling possibilities to do something very different with your hair. As far as Thomas goes, I think he was talking about his goatee, not his hair. I've grown and shaved that many times over. - -Keith (:-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Linstruth" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... > > > About a year ago, Thomas wrote us to say that he "decided in the mirror > this morning to shave my hair off." I was reminded of this because my > husband has done the same thing now! > > What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of > havin' hair. ??? > > I dunno, I guess it's liberating. If I could get away with it, I might > try it myself. Certainly spends less time washing and futzing with his > 'do now. > > Gentlemen, please enlighten me? > > -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:04:04 -0500 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... I can't say for sure, but I think it's a control thing. I still have lots of hair, but it is slowing showing the signs of retreat. For the most part, there is nothing I can do about it. I think that is why most men feel the way they do about losing hair, it's not vanity, but a loss of power. I think if they came up with a sure-fire, 100% effective treatment for hair loss, it would go unused by most men. The usual male laziness would take over and we would be happy in the knowledge that we *could* fix it if we wanted to, just like getting back into shape and being professional sports players. - -----Original Message----- From: MsSakamoto@aol.com [mailto:MsSakamoto@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:50 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... In a message dated 00-05-12 10:42:07 EDT, you write: > What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of > havin' hair. ??? > I dunno, I guess it's liberating. If I could get away with it, I might > try it myself. Certainly spends less time washing and futzing with his > 'do now. > Gentlemen, please enlighten me? I, too, have witnessed this phenomenon. A man that I was dating until recently did the exact same thing a month ago...I think the ladies go through the same thing, although not to such an extreme--I had slightly longer than shoulder-length hair a year ago, then I got pregnant and cut it all off so I looked like a very curvy boy. - --Suzanne-- hair's *finally* growing back ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:18:20 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... Elaine Linstruth wrote: > :: About a year ago, Thomas wrote us to say that he "decided in the mirror > this morning to shave my hair off." I was reminded of this because my > husband has done the same thing now! :: I think it was just his beard he shaved at that time... still, I know he has done some sudden things with his head as well. I liked his description of 'shaving obssessively around the same square inch of hair for two years" to explain the tendril of long hair in the Astronauts and Heretics photo shoot.. :) The two different times I've shaved my head, it was also a sudden decision. First it was my mohawk (I was so desperate to have it RIGHT THAT MOMENT that I actually shaved it with a #7 exacto blade, which was all I had on hand) The second time was the back of my head, and Dave helped me get the tricky parts... Robin T now a blond! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:20:57 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... Hi Suzanne!! I've just read your post on Alloy... I had no idea you were pregnant! if you have a chance, please send me a note to tell me how you've been, and all the new things in your life..!! love robin :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:23:23 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: oooops!! was:Thomas shaved *his* head... Oops, if that last letter I just sent goes through here, I'd only meant to send it to Suzanne..! Robin T hitting wrong buttons this morning.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:33:43 -0500 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: Alloy: Hair and art, Was:Thomas shaved *his* head... This hair discussion brings up another point I wanted to ask people. ( And please don't take offense to assumptions I might state here, these are just thoughts I had and are probably wrong. From what little I know about everyone here, I have come to admire and respect you all.) I think if you described someone as "looking like an artist" everyone would understand what you meant. We think of unusual clothes, different hair styles or colors, new methods of jewelry attachment, etc. But growing up, I always had the image of the "starving artist", someone so devoted to their art that they ignore most of the rest of the world, and only concentrate on that. In my mind this person would wear plain, simple clothes, maybe short hair or a crew-cut, because they want to spend every minute they have working on their art. It occurs to me that the starving artist image I have more closely matches the stereotypical "computer/techno geek" image. It also occurs to me that a lot of the people on this list seem to be a mix of these two stereotypes. So, I guess my question is, why do people here try to establish a "look" for their physical appearance? Does it come from other people, or from inside, or from somewhere else? Sorry if what I'm asking isn't too clear, I'm not really sure of what I'm asking, but I would appreciate any comments anyone has. - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stansell [mailto:Keith@Stansell.com] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:58 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... I guess I can speak on the subject having done the same thing. My reasoning was due to thinning hair. I had been using Rogaine for several years and it did slow down the loss, but I finally decided the cost and goop wasn't worth it so last fall I stopped using it. When you stop using it, you start to revert to where you would have been had you not used it - so basically you have a time progression of 3 years of hair loss in about 4 months. I got tired of seeing it getting thinner and thinner and I decided - what the heck, perhaps I can look cool if I just take it off. There was someone in the office that I was working in who had a "smooth head" as I like to call it that I thought looked pretty cool. So I did it. That was about 6 months ago, and the most I ever let it grow back was about 2 weeks before taking it off again. The reaction from friends and family has been mostly positive and I must admit it feels really good to rub on a smooth clean head. Perhaps the other thing is it allows someone such as myself with limited styling possibilities to do something very different with your hair. As far as Thomas goes, I think he was talking about his goatee, not his hair. I've grown and shaved that many times over. - -Keith (:-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Linstruth" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: Alloy: Thomas shaved *his* head... > > > About a year ago, Thomas wrote us to say that he "decided in the mirror > this morning to shave my hair off." I was reminded of this because my > husband has done the same thing now! > > What's the deal, man? CJ can't explain it -- he just said he was sick of > havin' hair. ??? > > I dunno, I guess it's liberating. If I could get away with it, I might > try it myself. Certainly spends less time washing and futzing with his > 'do now. > > Gentlemen, please enlighten me? > > -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:57:07 +0100 From: tim dunn Subject: RE: Alloy: Hair and art, Was:Thomas shaved *his* head... That's another good point. I totally agree with your point about how 'artists' look, although of course everyone does it differently. British guitar bands are the most embarrassing-looking bunch of shallow fools you could possibly encounter, and most of the music matches their dismal floppy-haired 60s-suited image perfectly. If you look at the contrast between them and your superior musicians (Radiohead, Morrissey etc) the difference is immediate. I hope I'm a bit like them - I have to save all my money for studio/guitars/equipment, and haven't bought any clothes or frills for years now. It's probably just another form of vanity, but my album, which will soon be finished, should be a triumph of substance over style. I don't even use my actual name on my music or anything Just my thoughts! the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:59:07 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Alloy: An Update Hey all.. The trip goes on.. I missed Russ in Orlando.. sorry Russ! I just blew through town in 30 minutes... and onward. So far.. so good. I made it out to St. Augustine.. then headed west and north.. eventually to Atlanta, where I had some work done on the car. Found shopping great at the Unclaimed Baggage Store in Scottsboro, AL.. then the drive along the Tennesse, Alabama, Mississippi border was very beautiful.. before arriving in Memphis.. and of course paying tribute the the King. Today I'm in Little Rock... just stopped into a Kinko's to check up on e-mail.. Hope everything is well with the Alloyed.. I don't know yet if I'll get to Denver .. unfortunately. Though I may just fly there for the job in late May after getting to LA.. So.. Ciao for now.. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:26:15 -0500 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: RE: Alloy: Hair and art, Was:Thomas shaved *his* head... As I think about it more, I guess what I'm attempting to understand could be described as The Person as Art. I've never had any art training, so this may be a well known field, but I've never heard it discussed. So, just like there are musicians or painters who basicaly copy others, there are those who try to match a look that others have, i.e. grunge, punk, etc. An artist is trying to express something when they create art, a feeling, a point of view, something from within themselves that they hope will connect with another person. If you accept the Person as Art concept, then what are we trying to express when we wear a goatee, or dye our hair purple, or dress in a design by a famous designer, or invent some new and unusal look that has never been seen before? - -----Original Message----- From: tim dunn [mailto:timd@gmn.com] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:57 AM To: 'alloy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: Alloy: Hair and art, Was:Thomas shaved *his* head... That's another good point. I totally agree with your point about how 'artists' look, although of course everyone does it differently. British guitar bands are the most embarrassing-looking bunch of shallow fools you could possibly encounter, and most of the music matches their dismal floppy-haired 60s-suited image perfectly. If you look at the contrast between them and your superior musicians (Radiohead, Morrissey etc) the difference is immediate. I hope I'm a bit like them - I have to save all my money for studio/guitars/equipment, and haven't bought any clothes or frills for years now. It's probably just another form of vanity, but my album, which will soon be finished, should be a triumph of substance over style. I don't even use my actual name on my music or anything Just my thoughts! the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:46:33 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: The Lathe of Heaven (was Hot n' Juicy Video News) (OT) << Robin inquires: > Can someone please fill me in on what this film was about? I'm > interested in seeing it too & I remember people discussing it > here... >> Robin.. et al.. A friend sent me this synopsis of the book "Lathe of Heaven" You might want to read it.. or maybe not.. if you want to maintain the suspense. http://www.galaxyezine.org/stories/reviews/snop003.html Enjoy.. Mark ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #117 ***************************