From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #114 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, May 10 2000 Volume 05 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Song of the Week: New Toy [Robyn Moore ] Alloy: Hot'n'Juicy Video News (sadly, OT) [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy: couldn't be more OT!! (was: Hey all..) [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: Hot'n'Juicy Video News (sadly, OT) [Jon ] Re: Alloy: The Lathe of Heaven (was Hot n' Juicy Video News) (OT) [RThurF] Re: Alloy: first part OT, second part not [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: first part OT, second part not ["Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Song of the Week: New Toy At 23:45 2000.05.07, you wrote: >As far as the lyrics themselves... > >New Toy is about a headstrong and self-absorbed female who only wants >someone for what they can give her, and doesn't like to work for what >she can get. She doesn't like environments which lead to complacency, >and she doesn't like people or things which place demands on her. >This is a satire of shallow behavior, a goof on self-centered people >who won't take the time to work at things to find enjoyment. This is >also a send-up of people who are easily bored, and their endless >search for the next thing - people who search for completion in the >material world and not the spiritual. > >YMMV, >Europa and /\/\iles Nah, our mileage is pretty similar. That's pretty much how I always interpreted it. :) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:28:47 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Alloy: Hot'n'Juicy Video News (sadly, OT) This is OT, unfortunately, but it pertains to a short discussion we had last summer. I was buzzing about the WWW tonight, and came across a couple references to an upcoming VHS and DVD release of "The Lathe Of Heaven". Also, one of the references was Seattle's PBS station indicating they were going to show it during pledge next month, so those interested might want to start scanning schedules as soon as next month's comes available. Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:41:04 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: couldn't be more OT!! (was: Hey all..) YAK! GROOOOOOSSSS! But weirdly fascinating :-) Lissu :-) (who will be making a swap from chicken panini to something else for lunch today - kangaroo sarnie, anyone?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 04:26:42 -0400 From: Jon Subject: Re: Alloy: Hot'n'Juicy Video News (sadly, OT) Wow..I remember that film. I thought I was the only one who had seen it! And I had given up on ever seeing it again. In fact, I had forgotten the title. I think I was 11 or 12 when I saw it...and haven't seen it since. When was that '77, '78? I don't remember what it was about, but it left a definite disturbing impression (and caused a few nightmares). Thanks for the info Robin...I will have to pick up the DVD. That way i won't ever lose track of it again. >> Robyn Moore wrote: > > This is OT, unfortunately, but it pertains to a short discussion we had > last summer. I was buzzing about the WWW tonight, and came across a couple > references to an upcoming VHS and DVD release of "The Lathe Of Heaven". > Also, one of the references was Seattle's PBS station indicating they were > going to show it during pledge next month, so those interested might want > to start scanning schedules as soon as next month's comes available. > > Robyn M > > @ Robyn Moore > @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html > @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 07:58:09 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Hot'n'Juicy Video News (sadly, OT) :: Robyn Moore wrote: > > This is OT, unfortunately, but it pertains to a short discussion we had > last summer. I was buzzing about the WWW tonight, and came across a couple > references to an upcoming VHS and DVD release of "The Lathe Of Heaven". :: Can someone please fill me in on what this film was about? I'm interested in seeing it too & I remember people discussing it here... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:53:38 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: more Beatnik in the news My Spanish is rusty... but Los Gatos... doesn't that mean 'the cats' ?? how cute!! :) Robin T ICTV Brings Enriched Audio to Interactive Television; Beatnik Inc. to Provide High-Quality Sound Experience for Cable Web Users SAN MATEO and LOS GATOS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 9, 2000-- Beatnik Inc., the leader in interactive audio technologies and content for the Web, and ICTV, provider of the cable industry's most robust solution for delivery of broadband Internet TV services to digital set-tops, today announced a licensing agreement in which ICTV will deliver the Beatnik Audio Player as part of its service offerings. This enhanced audio feature will be offered free of charge to cable subscribers who use ICTV technology to access the Web using their televisions. The Beatnik Player enables a set-top box to play high-quality sound effects, voices and music. Web pages embedded with interactive sound files will respond instantly to a user's mouse movements by playing music and sound. These sound files can be linked to text, static images or video clips. "The powerful ICTV platform will enable cable subscribers to tap into a whole new Web experience of interactive, high-quality audio," stated Lorraine Hariton, president and chief executive officer of Beatnik. "Our agreement with ICTV will help take interactive music on the Web into the home entertainment arena." Beatnik offers cable operators using ICTV's broadband technology the advantage of providing an application that compels their customers to spend more time on the Web, and making their Internet experience more entertaining and engaging. "This alliance will offer exciting opportunities for the cable subscriber as well as the operator," said Wes Hoffman, ICTV president. "By incorporating Beatnik's leading-edge audio technology we can provide cable operators with an enhanced interactive digital platform that lets the user access a whole new world of sound." About Beatnik Inc. Beatnik is a premier technology platform to create, deliver and experience interactive audio on the Web. The Beatnik Audio Engine for the digital playback of audio has been licensed to an expanding family of strategic partners, including Microsoft's WebTV Networks, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Intel and Liberate (formerly NCI). Beatnik's Web authoring tools are used by Web designers in the creation of Web sites such as MTV Online, Yahoo! Digital, Altoids and David Bowie.com and also ship with products from Macromedia and NetObjects. The Beatnik Player currently allows more than 7 million Web surfers to experience the power of interactive music and audio. Its Rich Music Format (RMF) is the Web standard for high-quality, multitrack music with file sizes that are small enough not to require streaming and are secure per Web site usage. Beatnik's Mixman consumer product line is a leader in remixing performance software for consumers, with the tools and editing capabilities neede! d to create music on the computer. Beatnik's professional technologies are used to incorporate music into Web pages, making them interactive. By coupling expert engineering skills with an expanded catalogue of musical content, Beatnik is dedicated to realizing new possibilities for interactive music and audio on the Internet. Beatnik (formerly Headspace Inc.) was incorporated in 1996 with a team of software innovators and world-renowned visionary, musician and composer Thomas Dolby Robertson. About ICTV With headquarters in the heart of California's Silicon Valley, ICTV's new digital ITV delivery platform provides cable operators with a headend-based solution that enables delivery of broadband Internet, e-mail and Interactive TV applications to any digital set-top. Using a single standard cable channel, the ICTV system supports up to 100 simultaneous online sessions. Since hybrid fiber coax architecture allows channel reuse across nodes, the system is fully scalable and is capable of supporting delivery of broadband interactive services to all digital subscribers on a single channel for the foreseeable future. The system does not require any sort of middleware application in the set top and is compatible with all grades of MPEG2 set-tops from any manufacturer. All standard Internet content and applications will work on the ICTV system - including broadband content requiring large bandwidth or advanced plug-ins. ICTV can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.ictv.co! m ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:45:01 -0400 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: (very very OT!) headless chicken... Lissu, I know what you mean! My poor husband won't even look at Mike... he feels sorry for the chicken having to really go around with no head. I feel the same way, but at the same time, it seems that Mike was happy and healthy apart from his 'injury' and he was certainly well cared for and loved. Also, I just love his attitude. "Chopped my head off have you?... ... whatever..." :) The most fascinating thing to me is that Mike continued to grow and live out his life as a normal, albeit headless, individual. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:47:17 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: The Lathe of Heaven (was Hot n' Juicy Video News) (OT) Robin inquires: > Can someone please fill me in on what this film was about? I'm > interested in seeing it too & I remember people discussing it > here... "The Lathe of Heaven" is a novel by Ursula K. LeGuin that was later produced as a film and shown on PBS in the late seventies - never to be seen again. It is the story, set in the near future, of a man who dreams "effectively". Iow, his dreams become reality. He is under the care of a psychiatrist who discovers this ability and plots to put it to use for his own gain. But much like wishes granted by genies, the dream-created realities have a way of backfiring in some intrinsic manner, and the psychiatrist's manipulations fail horribly. Not wishing to spoil the story further I will say no more. I saw the film recently and although the production is dated I feel it holds up well due to the strong story and fine performances. Joe Bob says, "Check it out.", /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:05:21 +0100 From: "Colin Fitton" Subject: Alloy: A new album??? Thomas, just a very quick note. Met up with a friend the other day who felt sure he'd heard on the radio that you had a new album out. Is this possibly true, and hopefully if so, when ? Regards and best wishes Colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:26:38 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: The Lathe of Heaven (was Hot n' Juicy Video News) (OT) In a message dated 5/9/00 1:50:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com writes: :: "The Lathe of Heaven" is a novel by Ursula K. LeGuin that was later produced as a film and shown on PBS in the late seventies :: <<<<>>>> Thanks for the information. I like Ursula K. LeGuin, so I just might read her novel first. It's always fun for me to see film versions of novels I like. Often, in the hands of the director, actors, designers etc, it takes on an entirely different feel & I find it extremely thrilling when done well! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:38:24 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: first part OT, second part not okay, speaking of Los Gatos and my rusty Spanish, I was reminded of a time when I was in my teens, and my family went cross-country to visit relatives out west. Somewhere around Texas my three-year-old sister acquired a toy animal souvenir which she promptly named "Guano", and about whom she was extremely serious. But very hard for the thirteen-year-old me to keep a straight face for that one :) Anyway, here's the on-topic part. If we're to be discussing the meanings of Thomas' songs, which should we choose next? What came after 'New Toy'? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:57:43 -0700 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: first part OT, second part not I know, why don't we discuss the song 'Dissidents'? Just a suggestion. Of course another song that popped through my head was 'Screenkiss'. Kate;-) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > okay, speaking of Los Gatos and my rusty Spanish, I was reminded of a time > when I was in my teens, and my family went cross-country to visit relatives > out west. Somewhere around Texas my three-year-old sister acquired a toy > animal souvenir which she promptly named "Guano", and about whom she was > extremely serious. But very hard for the thirteen-year-old me to keep a > straight face for that one :) > > Anyway, here's the on-topic part. If we're to be discussing the meanings of > Thomas' songs, which should we choose next? What came after 'New Toy'? > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:36:45 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Song of the Week (SOTW) - suggestions Robin queries: > Anyway, here's the on-topic part. If we're to be discussing the > meanings of Thomas' songs, which should we choose next? What > came after 'New Toy'? I chose New Toy because it was first - chronologically. Using that method, and as I mentioned at the end of the lyrics section of my analysis, "Airwaves" would be next. After that, nearly the entire Golden Age of Wireless is open in just about any order, although now that I think of it Urban Tribal can also be listed as one of the first few. A little more thought and this is what I arrive at: New Toy Airwaves Urban Tribal Urges Leipzig ...in any order you like, and then the rest of TGAOW, etc. I probably missed something and solicit your corrections. Of course, we don't need to do this in any logical way, but I thought it might make it easier to put the songs in context with Thomas' life if we approach them in chronological fashion. Another thing we don't need to do is agree on the meaning of a song. A lyric can have as many meanings as it has audients. So fire away! We'll just keep the various interpretations in the database for eventual publication. OK? One last idea I'd like to offer. When a song has a video version it might be viewed as entirely appropriate to include or integrate that into our analysis, or perhaps offer a separate analysis for the video. "Live Wireless" deserves some thought and discussion as well, don't you think? The Flat Earth tour, too. Although there is no video record of that show that I know of, many of us remember it - more or less... In AllThingsDolby, /\/\iles PS This could keep us busy for quite some time... PPS Discuss! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:46:08 -0700 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Song of the Week (SOTW) - suggestions I'm down with that order Stephen. Airwaves it is. Just give me a few minutes or so to contemplate this song. Kate;-) Stephen M. Tilson wrote: > Robin queries: > > > Anyway, here's the on-topic part. If we're to be discussing the > > meanings of Thomas' songs, which should we choose next? What > > came after 'New Toy'? > > I chose New Toy because it was first - chronologically. Using that > method, and as I mentioned at the end of the lyrics section of my > analysis, "Airwaves" would be next. After that, nearly the entire > Golden Age of Wireless is open in just about any order, although now > that I think of it Urban Tribal can also be listed as one of the > first few. A little more thought and this is what I arrive at: > > New Toy > Airwaves > Urban Tribal > Urges > Leipzig > > ...in any order you like, > > and then the rest of TGAOW, etc. > > I probably missed something and solicit your corrections. > > Of course, we don't need to do this in any logical way, but I thought > it might make it easier to put the songs in context with Thomas' life > if we approach them in chronological fashion. > > Another thing we don't need to do is agree on the meaning of a song. > A lyric can have as many meanings as it has audients. So fire away! > We'll just keep the various interpretations in the database for > eventual publication. OK? > > One last idea I'd like to offer. When a song has a video version it > might be viewed as entirely appropriate to include or integrate that > into our analysis, or perhaps offer a separate analysis for the > video. "Live Wireless" deserves some thought and discussion as well, > don't you think? The Flat Earth tour, too. Although there is no > video record of that show that I know of, many of us remember it - > more or less... > > In AllThingsDolby, > /\/\iles > > PS This could keep us busy for quite some time... > > PPS Discuss! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:43:25 -0400 From: "Melissa R. Jordan" Subject: Alloy: OT - Mike the Headless Chicken: Rehab Therapist!!! I've been meaning to respond to Robin's post about Mike the Headless Chicken. A friend of mine (and for the life of me I can't remember who!) sent me the info (and yucky pics) of Mike back in early April, while my mom was still in the hospital and having great difficulty with her mental clarity. To cheer my sister Betsi up (she's a nurse in the hospital where Mom was), I sent her the the tale of Mike, which she found totally twisted. In the faint hopes of getting a rise out of Mom, Betsi told her the story. Little did we know that would be the first thing in a month that she would understand, remember, and be able to answer questions about with her rehab specialist! My sister wrote to the family: "Mom's mental status has been very poor up until now. Today, though, at lunch time, I told her about the e-mail from Melissa about Mike the headless chicken and his unfortunate hotel-room demise. Mom was quite amused and right afterwards the speech pathologist John walked in the room, and I told him that I had just told Mom about Mike the headless chicken. Although I wasn't hopeful, I said, "Mom, why don't you tell John about it, I have to go back to work." As I was walking down the hall I heard John say,"Who is Mike the headless chicken?", and Mom replied,"Well he was this chicken that a farmer cut the head off of and the darn thing just wouldn't die..." I just smiled all the way down the hallway." God bless Mike and his tiny little detached head. :-) Smiling, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist/Rubber Maven, Compass Rose Studios (http://crstudios.com) Chief Navigator, Compass Rose Consulting (http://askcrc.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:30:16 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: Song of the Week (SOTW) - suggestions At 15:36 2000.05.09, you wrote: >I chose New Toy because it was first - chronologically. Using that >method, and as I mentioned at the end of the lyrics section of my >analysis, "Airwaves" would be next. After that, nearly the entire >Golden Age of Wireless is open in just about any order, although now >that I think of it Urban Tribal can also be listed as one of the >first few. A little more thought and this is what I arrive at: > >New Toy >Airwaves >Urban Tribal >Urges >Leipzig > >...in any order you like, > >and then the rest of TGAOW, etc. > >I probably missed something and solicit your corrections. Jungle Line should come in there somewhere, as it came out on the same single as Urban Tribal. Europa with Therapy/Growth was released early on as well, as was Airwaves b/w Wreck of the Fairchild. (Thanks for confirming my memory, Lazlo. ::grin::)However, I don't remember whether Therapy/Growth or Fairchild had enough of a coherent lyric to discuss. >One last idea I'd like to offer. When a song has a video version it >might be viewed as entirely appropriate to include or integrate that >into our analysis, or perhaps offer a separate analysis for the >video. "Live Wireless" deserves some thought and discussion as well, >don't you think? The Flat Earth tour, too. Although there is no >video record of that show that I know of, many of us remember it - >more or less... Oh, we should definitely discuss video versions - that's about the only chance we've got at Samson and Delilah, Puppet Theatre and Fieldwork. Also, doesn't the Live Wireless version of Radio Silence have an extra verse? (Frantically searching for my copy mode: ON) While I'm here, let me chalk up a vote for including movie soundtracks somewhere along the line in this discussion. >PS This could keep us busy for quite some time... I certainly hope so. ::grin:: Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:02:33 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: OT - Mike the Headless Chicken: Rehab Therapist!!! In a message dated 5/9/00 8:41:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wearart@erols.com writes: :: As I was walking down the hall I heard John say,"Who is Mike the headless chicken?", and Mom replied,"Well he was this chicken that a farmer cut the head off of and the darn thing just wouldn't die..." I just smiled all the way down the hallway." God bless Mike and his tiny little detached head. :-) :: I knew it... Mike is a saint! Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #114 ***************************