From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #75 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 05 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: jeopardy ["Kevin & Robyn (Brott & Moore)" ] Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) [Robyn Moore ] Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. [Paul Baily ] Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Flakey Audio CDs [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. [Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: jeopardy At 10:51 2000.03.26, you wrote: >^ > >So what was the "answer" to the question "Who is Thomas Dolby." > > CRACKERS > (I lost on Jeopardy, baby from hell!!!!!!) I saw that one some time ago, but can't remember for the life of me. However, I do remember a couple other references to Thomas on Rock and Roll Jeopardy. Once, a category was 'Blinded Me With Science' or just 'Blinded By Science', but effectively the same thing, and I believe it was in the run of that category that someone answered "Who Is Thomas Dolby" to "The Inventor of the Synthesizer". Of course, the answer was Moog, but it was a lovely thought, eh? Robyn M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:15:35 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) At 21:48 2000.03.07, you wrote: > That's changing dramatically, though. I think it was last year (or the > year before) that for the first time Americans spent more money on > 'alternative' therapies than they did on 'conventional' therapies. > That's why you're seeing so many ads on television with happy people, > sunshine and flowers pushing drugs with all sorts of side-effects. It's > starting to hurt their pockets, in particular, the pharmaceutical > companies. Now, they're starting to manufacture their own supplements > and herbs because they are realizing they're fighting a loosing battle. > Insurance companies are starting to switch to alternative therapies as > well, because they're cheaper... The people don't come back with > complications from the previous treatments. That's the conclusion Kevin and I came to in regard to those commercials - the pharmeceutical companies got tired of waiting for doctors to prescribe their drugs and went straight to the consumer. Unfortunately, the reports I've heard indicates this approach is working. People are self-diagnosing and insisting their doctor prescribe XYZ medication for their condition. However, upon listening to those commercials and/or reading the two pages of fine print that inevitably follows a magazine ad for any given advertised drug, I wonder why anyone would think some of the side effects would be worth it. Propecia, for instance, indicates that pregnant women shouldn't -touch- the product. (Yes, I know it's a product for men, but men have reproductive systems too.) Other products mention things like sexual dysfunction, internal bleeding, severe headaches, and a host of other ills. Also, Goddess forbid you should be on MAO inhibitors and develop another ailment - virtually all of these ads indicate that their product is incompatible with MAOI medications. I've also noticed the upswing in the big companies delving into natural remedies. Who would've imagined "One-A-Day Brand Ginko Biloba" or "Centrum Brand St. John's Wort" ten or even five years ago? > > I sum everything up in one sentence. Give the body what nature intended > in the first place, not what man thinks he can come up with. (Jer 10:23) I can get behind that basic sentiment. Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:23:13 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) JAMac wrote,... >While children, the infirm and the elderly are usually the most at-risk for the flu, they are also the most at-risk to >suffer side-effects from the flu shot. Getting a flu shot compromises your immune system. On what scientific basis are these people most at risk from the flu shot? How many millions of lives have been saved all around the world by immunisation programs? I don't think WHO have got it that wrong,...and we don't have anything much better for now. I know that there is a lot of controversy about this subject at the moment, but as for immunisation, try telling a parent who has lost a child to a preventable disease that immunisation is wrong. Check the stats,..many, many more people have benefited from immunisation than have sufffered due to it. We have also been reliably informed that the flu shot is what saved my grandparents from serious complications/pneumonia recently. It also protects me from further bouts of pneumonia. My immunity has grown stronger and my health has improved by avoiding serious chest infections over the last two years. Are we wrong to take it? - ---------- >I dare say that your father probably already had a compromised pancreas and the flu just triggered its massive >failure. I'm also betting that your father probably consumed too much dairy products and simple carbohydrates. You make it sound like it was his fault for getting sick! It wasn't down to his diet. My father-in-law has diabetes because he didn't get antibiotics to clear up untreated bacterial pneumonia (a very common complaint in Finland) which had spread down to his pancreas and other organs. Western medicine could have prevented this, but the medicine he needed was not widely available in Finland at the time he got sick. Western medicine is the only thing that keeps him alive. - ---------- >For instance, if you have cancer, they poison your body with chemotherapy which greatly >compromises your immune system. The immune system is what keeps cancer at bay in the first place and eventually gets >rid of the cancer (if you pursue a course of action condusive with nature.) Sorry, but I totally disagree. I think modern cancer therapies are effective, and getting better all the time. My mother and several other friends are in complete remission, thanks to conventional therapies, not due to their immune systems 'getting rid' of the cancer. My mother would have eventually died if she had waited and 'pursued a course of action condusive with nature'. Most cancers, (correct me if I'm wrong, you scientists out there!) start with genetic mutations of cells. You can have the healthiest immune system in the world, and still be unlucky enough to get a cancer causing mutation. All this talk in the media these days about how we must eat perfectly and keep our immunity at 100% makes it sound like it's our fault somehow if we get sick! You can drive yourself nuts with it,... But in the end, you can only tweak the odds a little, that's all. You can't avoid every stress or risk in life. - ---------- >Understand that I've been in communication with large bodies of doctors and health practicioners who are very much >against a lot of this stupid medicine carried out today. And in the end, they always show that the root source for >the methods that most doctors use today are not in regards to your health, but to their pocket book. Stupid medicine? I don't think western medicine is 'stupid', Show me anyone who hasn't benefited from it. I know there are a lot of bad doctors out there (hell, I've met most of them!), but I think it's really unfair to say that they all care for money & not patients. Aren't there are a lot of alternative therapy practitioners who are fooling patients out of excessive amounts of money,...? - ---------- >Modern medicine is always doing things backwards, this way. I don't think it's fair to say that modern medicine does everything backward. I know we have a lot to learn from other branches of medicine, but I believe that alternative therapies should be researched and empirically proven to work before any attempt is made to replace western medicine with them. I think that alternative therapies, especially in holistic role ("treating the whole person, not just the symptoms") are a good complement to western medicine, but until we know whether they have a theraputic value, they should not be a replacement. Can you imagine what it would be like if we threw away all western medical care? How many of us would even be here? Everyone has expected miracles from their doctor at one point or another (myself included), and when western medicine turns out not to be a perfect cure-all some people get angry, disappointed, or even give up. Then, it's almost as if the mystery surrounding alternative medicine makes it seem more attractive,...almost as if magic or folk medicine will cure where science won't. What could be more atractive than a type of medicine which never says "I can't cure this"? Sometimes it's easy to forget that it's the human body that's far from perfect, and not just western medicine. I'm sure some alternative therapies work, but whatever the type of medicine, I for one want something that is scientifically proven to work, not hearsay or folk tales. (Hey, and the placebo effect works with western medicine too! !) For me, if I don't get well, I go back to a doctor, and tell them what result I want until I get it. I eat healthy, I exercise regularly, and I can't do a whole lot more than that. Western medicine isn't perfect, but you can get pretty far if you persist with a decent doctor until you get the results you want. Persistance, informing oneself, and remembering that doctors are only human, and need all the help they can get from the patient, is probably the key. Getting off the soapbox now,... :-) Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:38:29 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) >I've also noticed the upswing in the big companies delving into natural >remedies. Who would've imagined "One-A-Day Brand Ginko Biloba" or "Centrum >Brand St. John's Wort" ten or even five years ago? Just because something is natural or alternative doesn't make it safe,..for example St.John's Wort,...I quote the British press,.. "Herbal remedies - especially St John's wort and complementary medicines are widely used, yet little information is given about what they do in the body and their potential to interact with conventional drugs, many of which are themselves based on the active ingredients of plants. Women taking the contraceptive pill, people with epilepsy, patients on drugs for asthma and people taking certain drugs for migraine are also among those feared to be at risk." So it's doubly important to be careful with these drugs,...which are often untested. I'm all for research into folk medicines, but it frightens me to see all the quacks on the internet selling god knows what pills without any warnings,...they sure as hell aren't any safer,.... Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:36:30 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. 'ello, In case you're having trouble sleeping, check out: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~justsomeguy/preview I've redone section four a little and added a couple more snippets, namely Prologue 2 & 3. Have a read if you feel so inclined. I'd be really grateful for any thoughts you might have on them. stay well, Paul. Who'd really like to hear a Vince Clarke treatment of a Dolby song one of these days. Thought for the day: if Vince Clarke were to do a Dolby cover, which song do you think he'd pick? This message powered by Sometimes (extended mix)/Erasure. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:54:29 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. Paul, Just mosied (sp. ?) over to the page and read the bits I hadn't read before,...Paul,...get writing that book, my sweet. It's a must! (P.S. Will you still hang out with us here when you're rich & famous?) Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:05:02 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) Lissu, I completely agree. I would literally not be here today if it weren't for modern therapies for asthma (having almost died of combined massive asthma/bronchitis/pneumonia at 19, as a result of a lung infection) and modern inhaled treatments for asthma keep me healthy & breathing to this day. I believe maintaining ones strength and health through exercise & good nutrition, and trying to have peace of mind and a good balance in life, is important to attempt to 'tweak the odds' as you say :) ... but since I've known so many people who've gone on and on in spite of completely trashing their bodies, and just as many who have fallen seriously ill in spite of careful attention to exercise and nutrition, i really couldn't possibly agree more. my 2 cents! :) Robin T lulfstedt@amadeus.net wrote: > All this talk in the media these days about how we must eat perfectly and keep > our immunity at 100% makes it sound like it's our fault somehow if we get sick! > You can drive yourself nuts with it,... But in the end, you can only tweak the > odds a little, that's all. You can't avoid every stress or risk in life. > > > I don't think western medicine is 'stupid', Show me anyone who hasn't benefited > from it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:24:12 -0800 From: thomas@beatnik.com (Thomas Dolby Robertson) Subject: Alloy: The Mirror Song I co-wrote The Mirror Song with Bruce Woolley and Trevor Horn, and played all the keyboard parts. You may recognise some of the grooves from other TD songs--notably, a section near the beginning of "Gate to the Mind's Eye". TMDR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:17:26 -0600 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) > Ok, back to my point on profit. They make money off of the vaccines, > that and adds to their image of being the ones who are out there making > the effort to protect your health. But, there's another point here I I was just reading about the swine flu immunization program that happened in 1976, in which the US government wanted to vaccinate everyone in the country. The drug companies didn't want to participate in this. They knew that if you vaccinated that many people, within two days 7000 of them would have heart attacks, and another 2000 would have strokes. Most of them would sue the maker of the vaccine, costing them a great deal of money. So what would seem to be a great opportunity for them was really a potential disaster. >For instance, if you have cancer, they poison your body with chemotherapy which >greatly >compromises your immune system. The immune system is what keeps cancer at bay >in the first place and eventually gets >rid of the cancer (if you pursue a >course of action condusive with nature.) I did something last week that I kind of feel bad about (but not much). My wife goes for all the alternative medicine stuff, so we where at a pet show were they gave demonstrations of "touch" therapy for animals, and some other things. She stopped to talk at a booth with a guy selling herbal remedies for animals. They started talking about nutrition, and what is in most animal foods, etc., then they started discussing the various herbs. He mentioned that this one particular herb will boost the immune system and fight cancer better then anything else, and we all know this so why don't doctors know this? So I told him that I read that Lance Armstrong, (cyclist who had testicular cancer that had speared to his brain and lungs, then went on to win the Tour de France,) had used that for his treatment. The guy got all excited and amazed, and probably went on telling people this story. I feel bad because the guy does mean well, but he shouldn't believe what some stranger tells him as fact. Lance Armstrong had surgery to remove the tumors, and chemotherapy treatment. So far there are no remaining signs of cancer in his body. I have never heard him or anyone else give credit to any other kind of treatment. And just for the record, I think the average price for the herbal remedies came out to $20 for a 2 ounce bottle. I don't think the herbal movement would be as strong as it is if someone wasn't making a profit from it. - -----Original Message----- From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net [mailto:lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:23 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) JAMac wrote,... >While children, the infirm and the elderly are usually the most at-risk for the flu, they are also the most at-risk to >suffer side-effects from the flu shot. Getting a flu shot compromises your immune system. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:17:03 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. Paul! I've just gone to your page on my lunck break (fearing the ever present Wrath of Frank, I can't stay on long enough to read any of your wonderful stories though I plan to do so the moment I get home tonight) I'm blushing completely.. I think it's the first time I've ever been mentioned on anyone else's page!! (except maybe that body painting one...LOL) Thank you for being so sweet :) As you know it has always been my very great pleasure to read your work & talk with you about stories and writing. My deepest thanks go straight back to you, Paul, for continuing to write & develop your story ideas. May you always keep working & continue to be inspired! Do you mind if I send your page link out to my friend who's a writer in LA? He is totally into SciFi & I know he'd love your work! xxx Robin T Paul Baily wrote: > 'ello, > > In case you're having trouble sleeping, check out: > > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~justsomeguy/preview > > I've redone section four a little and added a couple more snippets, namely > Prologue 2 & 3. Have a read if you feel so inclined. I'd be really grateful > for any thoughts you might have on them. > > stay well, > > Paul. > Who'd really like to hear a Vince Clarke treatment of a Dolby song one of > these days. > > Thought for the day: if Vince Clarke were to do a Dolby cover, which song do > you think he'd pick? > > This message powered by Sometimes (extended mix)/Erasure. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:24:01 +0100 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: Flakey Audio CDs Chris, I'm a regular burner of the CD variety. I use a modern stand-alone Marantz CD burner (not PC based), mostly recording from a high quality Arcam CD player or from Cubase software on my PC. to back up what others have said...it can be a case of trial and error. I have found that 'any' recording on 'any' disc works great on the Arcam, but if I try to play certain discs on my older generation CD player downstairs, 'some' makes of CDR skip and crackle. Through much trial & error, I have found that 'TDK Studio' professional CDR's work & sound best. And what's even better than the fact that they work on everyone's CD player including my older generation AIWA downstairs, they are in fact cheaper than most. Chris, if you can't get hold of any, I can give you a distributor's telephone details here in the U.K. I always buy in bulk from them. Good luck, Trevor.......... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:47:07 -0800 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) This is my two cents on western medecine. I think western medecine and natural medecine can work together. The more variety of medecines used the better. What may work for one person may not work for another. I never get the flu shot because I don't feel I really need it that much. Someone else might really benefit from the flu shot. The best thing that can happen to medecine is for a balance between herbs and pharmacuticals (hope I spelled that right). When I get a cold, I take herbs right along with cough syrup and maybe a little bit of whiskey to help me sleep. Kate;-) lulfstedt@amadeus.net wrote: > JAMac wrote,... > > >While children, the infirm and the elderly are usually the most at-risk for the > flu, they are also the most at-risk to >suffer side-effects from the flu shot. > Getting a flu shot compromises your immune system. > > On what scientific basis are these people most at risk from the flu shot? How > many millions of lives have been saved all around the world by immunisation > programs? I don't think WHO have got it that wrong,...and we don't have anything > much better for now. I know that there is a lot of controversy about this > subject at the moment, but as for immunisation, try telling a parent who has > lost a child to a preventable disease that immunisation is wrong. Check the > stats,..many, many more people have benefited from immunisation than have > sufffered due to it. > > We have also been reliably informed that the flu shot is what saved my > grandparents from serious complications/pneumonia recently. It also protects me > from further bouts of pneumonia. My immunity has grown stronger and my health > has improved by avoiding serious chest infections over the last two years. Are > we wrong to take it? > > ---------- > >I dare say that your father probably already had a compromised pancreas and the > flu just triggered its massive >failure. I'm also betting that your father > probably consumed too much dairy products and simple carbohydrates. > > You make it sound like it was his fault for getting sick! It wasn't down to his > diet. My father-in-law has diabetes because he didn't get antibiotics to clear > up untreated bacterial pneumonia (a very common complaint in Finland) which had > spread down to his pancreas and other organs. Western medicine could have > prevented this, but the medicine he needed was not widely available in Finland > at the time he got sick. Western medicine is the only thing that keeps him > alive. > > ---------- > >For instance, if you have cancer, they poison your body with chemotherapy which > greatly > >compromises your immune system. The immune system is what keeps cancer at bay > in the first place and eventually gets >rid of the cancer (if you pursue a > course of action condusive with nature.) > > Sorry, but I totally disagree. I think modern cancer therapies are effective, > and getting better all the time. My mother and several other friends are in > complete remission, thanks to conventional therapies, not due to their immune > systems 'getting rid' of the cancer. My mother would have eventually died if she > had waited and 'pursued a course of action condusive with nature'. > Most cancers, (correct me if I'm wrong, you scientists out there!) start with > genetic mutations of cells. You can have the healthiest immune system in the > world, and still be unlucky enough to get a cancer causing mutation. > > All this talk in the media these days about how we must eat perfectly and keep > our immunity at 100% makes it sound like it's our fault somehow if we get sick! > You can drive yourself nuts with it,... But in the end, you can only tweak the > odds a little, that's all. You can't avoid every stress or risk in life. > > ---------- > >Understand that I've been in communication with large bodies of doctors and > health practicioners who are very much >against a lot of this stupid medicine > carried out today. And in the end, they always show that the root source for > >the methods that most doctors use today are not in regards to your health, but > to their pocket book. > > Stupid medicine? > I don't think western medicine is 'stupid', Show me anyone who hasn't benefited > from it. I know there are a lot of bad doctors out there (hell, I've met most of > them!), but I think it's really unfair to say that they all care for money & not > patients. Aren't there are a lot of alternative therapy practitioners who are > fooling patients out of excessive amounts of money,...? > > ---------- > >Modern medicine is always doing things backwards, this way. > > I don't think it's fair to say that modern medicine does everything backward. > I know we have a lot to learn from other branches of medicine, but I believe > that alternative therapies should be researched and empirically proven to work > before any attempt is made to replace western medicine with them. I think that > alternative therapies, especially in holistic role ("treating the whole person, > not just the symptoms") are a good complement to western medicine, but until we > know whether they have a theraputic value, they should not be a replacement. Can > you imagine what it would be like if we threw away all western medical care? How > many of us would even be here? > > Everyone has expected miracles from their doctor at one point or another (myself > included), and when western medicine turns out not to be a perfect cure-all some > people get angry, disappointed, or even give up. Then, it's almost as if the > mystery surrounding alternative medicine makes it seem more attractive,...almost > as if magic or folk medicine will cure where science won't. What could be more > atractive than a type of medicine which never says "I can't cure this"? > Sometimes it's easy to forget that it's the human body that's far from perfect, > and not just western medicine. I'm sure some alternative therapies work, but > whatever the type of medicine, I for one want something that is scientifically > proven to work, not hearsay or folk tales. (Hey, and the placebo effect works > with western medicine too! !) > > For me, if I don't get well, I go back to a doctor, and tell them what result I > want until I get it. I eat healthy, I exercise regularly, and I can't do a whole > lot more than that. Western medicine isn't perfect, but you can get pretty far > if you persist with a decent doctor until you get the results you want. > Persistance, informing oneself, and remembering that doctors are only human, and > need all the help they can get from the patient, is probably the key. > > Getting off the soapbox now,... :-) > > Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:21:34 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. Paul self effaces: > Can't sleep? Here's a cure. > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~justsomeguy/preview Hardly. I've moseyed over there myself recently and have been both entertained and pleasantly surprised. You've got some good starts here. Maybe it's time to take them out of the nursery and out into full sun. From the acorn doth the mighty oak grow. The story that begins with a frantic radio message followed by a distant bloom of light... That is a particularly vivid passage. Paul, I suggest you take one of these saplings and nurture it to maturity! Anyone notice the HTML page title? I will. Be well, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:59:26 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Beatnik in the news MTVi Names Elinor Hirschhorn Senior Vice President, Global Business Development and Strategic Partnerships NEW YORK, March 28 /PRNewswire/ -- The MTVi Group, the number one online music entertainment company featuring MTV.com, VH1.com and SonicNet.com, today named Elinor Hirschhorn to the position of Senior Vice President, Global Business Development and Strategic Partnerships. Ms. Hirschhorn joins MTVi from MTV Networks, MTVi's parent company, where she served as SVP of Business Development. In her new role, Ms. Hirschhorn will be responsible for identifying and executing acquisitions and new strategic partnerships including syndication and affiliate deals for MTVi, both domestically and internationally, as well as managing existing strategic partnership operations on an on-going basis. "With the addition of Ellie to the MTVi management team, we continue to strengthen our position as the number one online music entertainment company," said Nicholas Butterworth, president and CEO, The MTVi Group. "Through Ellie's support at MTV Networks, MTVi made several key acquisitions and entered into a wide variety of strategic partnerships. Moving forward, Ellie will continue to have a tremendous impact on the future of MTVi." Under Ms. Hirschhorn's leadership at MTV Networks, MTVi acquired Imagine Radio, SonicNet and The Box from TCI Music, and Mischief New Media, and entered into alliances with RioPort, Beatnik and others. Ms. Hirschhorn commented, "With the most recognized consumer music brands in the world and the promotional power of MTV Networks, MTVi will continue to develop strong industry relationships that provide our audience with the best interactive music experience. I am very excited to be joining the MTVi team and I am looking forward to building out our business development efforts." Ms. Hirschhorn has been with Viacom, the parent company of MTV Networks, since 1993, starting as a Director of Business Development at Showtime and also serving as Vice President of Corporate Development at Viacom. Before joining Viacom, Ms. Hirschhorn worked in the media business at Time Inc. and at The M Group in Bangkok, Thailand. Before that she worked as an investment banker for several years on Wall Street. She has a BA in History from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School, and was a Luce Scholar in Thailand. Ms. Hirschhorn also serves on the Boards of Fiduciary Trust Company International and Toolfarm.com. About The MTVi Group The MTVi Group is the world's number one online music entertainment company featuring a comprehensive collection of music destinations on the Internet. The MTVi Group's 22 worldwide destinations include MTV.com, VH1.com, and SonicNet.com. The MTVi Group is a unit of MTV Networks, which is owned by Viacom Inc. (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B). Headquartered in downtown New York, The MTVi Group has satellite offices in San Francisco, CA. Liberty Digital (NYSE: LMG.A, LMG.B) holds a minority stake in The MTVi Group. For more information please visit The MTVi Group corporate Web site (http://www.mtvigroup.com). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: The Mirror Song In article <003c01bf98c9$acfeee60$5ff486cd@headspace.com>, you wrote: >I co-wrote The Mirror Song with Bruce Woolley and Trevor Horn, and played >all the keyboard parts. You may recognise some of the grooves from other TD >songs--notably, a section near the beginning of "Gate to the Mind's Eye". ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ I thought the keyboard tracks had your indelible thumb print on them. CRACKERS (Aural signatures from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:08 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. In article <412568B0.0046E9CD.00@mta.amadeus.net>, you wrote: >(P.S. Will you still hang out with us here when you're rich & famous?) >Lissu :-) ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Hey, the question is will you still hand out with us here when you're rich and famous. I've put my money on you in the fame and fortune department. ^_^ But then again there's no justice in the music industry so who knows. And of course Copse seems to be making some strides towards fame and fortune... unless, of course, if the british tabloids have been lying to me again. CRACKERS (Wish I was rich and famous from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: jeopardy In article <4.3.2.20000327233735.00ab1f00@iefxmail.iefx.com>, you wrote: > I saw that one some time ago, but can't remember for the life of me. >However, I do remember a couple other references to Thomas on Rock and Roll >Jeopardy. Once, a category was 'Blinded Me With Science' or just 'Blinded >By Science', but effectively the same thing, and I believe it was in the >run of that category that someone answered "Who Is Thomas Dolby" to "The >Inventor of the Synthesizer". Of course, the answer was Moog, but it was a >lovely thought, eh? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Woohoo a Jeopardy error since Moog didn't invent the synthesizer. He just invented the first "commercial" synthesizer. If I recall correctly, the first synthesizer was actually invented in the 1920s somewhere in the eastern united states (and it didn't use a piano keyboard either). CRACKERS (I'll have to look it up from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Flakey Audio CDs In article <005401bf98e3$1aae6c60$6194883e@c8u2w5>, you wrote: >I have found that 'any' recording on 'any' disc works great on the Arcam, >but if I try to play certain discs on my older generation CD player >downstairs, 'some' makes of CDR skip and crackle. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Yeah, I was going to ask about the "crackle" too. I was wondering what causes CD audio to crackle. It seems to be random but it does it more on some CDs than it does on others. I occasionally get "crackle" when I play the Flock Of Seagulls CD I just burned but I also get random "crackle" when I play some commercially pressed CDs too. I cleaned the lense and that doesn't seem to do it, and it seems to be something that my CD player has picked up recently so I'm betting on either mechanical or electronic failure of some sort. The crackle is kind of like a rythmic static sound. CRACKERS (Damn annoying too from hell!!!!!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Can't sleep? Here's a cure. In article , you wrote: >Who'd really like to hear a Vince Clarke treatment of a Dolby song one of >these days. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Speaking of Vince Clarke, this reminds me of a story of when I first moved to Toronto and was riding the subways. I think it was '84 or something. I was standing in the subway car, holding the handrail, riding to work at the Toronto Eaton Centre. I suddenly heard the shrill scream of a pair of teenage girls who came running up to me. "Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god! It's YOU isn't it?" one of them screamed. "Ummm... well, yeah, I've always been ME, but who is it that you think I am?" I answered looking at them nervously and blushing a little from the attention everyone in the subway car was now focusing on me. The girls squealed again and the other one said "You... you're the keyboard player from Depeche Mode arn't you?" "What's his name... Vince Clarke. That's you, right?" the other one said. "Wha!?!?" I thought, "How the hell could ANYONE confuse me with Vince Clarke? I may not be the most attractive guy in the world, but I'm certainly not Vince Clarke ugly." "No," I answered sheepishly "I am not Vince Clarke." "But you are in Depeche Mode, arn't you?" the other girl asked still bubbling with excitement. "No, I'm not." I answered. The two girl gave a disappointed sigh in unison and made their way to the rear of the subway car at which point everyone in the car began to laugh. My face could have heated a small dwelling with the crimson humilation it burned with. When I went to get off the subway car one passanger pointed at me and yelled out "Hey look, it's Vince Clarke" and the car was once again filled with laughter. To this day I still wonder who it was they were confusing me with, surely they couldn't have truly confused me with Vince Clarke. Of course a less scrupulous me would have played it up to see if I couldn't manage to get some teenage groupie sex out of them. CRACKERS (How embarassing from hell!!!!!!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:42:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Blinded By Science and Toronto Woohoo! I was in a local Value Village store recently when I made a couple of amusing finds. The first was a Thomas Dolby "Blinded By Science" LP. I don't have a record player (I'll pick one up the next time I find a working one in a thrift store) so I've not been able to listen to it. It appears to just be a stripped down version of "The Golden Age Of Wireless" but are there any differences between the version recorded on "BBS" and the ones that made it to either the tape or CD version of "TGAOW"? I have the tape (although unplayable) of TGAOW and the CD and there are some interesting differences between some of the songs on both versions (it took awhile for the CD version of "Airwaves" to grow on me). Which version is "BBS" like, the tape or the CD? I also found something that made me chuckle with laughter. An LP of a Canadian New Wave band of the 80s called Toronto (no doubt from... oh, I'll go out on a limb and say... Toronto?). I honestly can't say I remember any song the band ever put out (is there such a thing as a No-Hit Wonder?) but I did remember this particular album because of the controversy surrounding the "kiddy-porn" cover. The cover features a pre-pubescent girl wearing heavy make-up and dressed like a very trashy hooker standing in a dark, grimey city alleyway. I remember this album because we had a religious nutcase come to our school to give a lecture on Satan and music. (Back in the early 80s religious nutcases were allowed to lecture in public schools in Canada as long as they were Christian religious nutcases). "Toronto" was one of the bands he used for his example claiming that they promoted child prostitution and child pornography based on the cover of their album. He also said something about them and homosexuality and cross-dressing because the picture of the band on the back of the album showed the guys wearing feminine silk blouses and lots of trashy eye makeup (pretty much standard New Wave look for the early 80s). I didn't end up buying the "Toronto" LP although I was tempted to just because of the controversial "kiddy-porn" album cover and "cross-dressing homosexuals" on the back. Plus it would have been interesting to hear if there was anything controversial about their music. Maybe if it's still there the next time I go and if I find a record player too. Incidently, the religious nutcase who came to our school to give this lecture was none other than the lead singer of "Wild Cherry", a one-hit-wonder band famous for the song "Play That Funky Music White Boy". He had nearly destroyed himself on cocain before he "found Jesus" and replaced his drug induced lunacy with religious fanatic lunacy. I had quite a long talk with him after his lecture and he probably fostered within me my cynicism for the "suffering celebrity" who achieves success then pisses it away while blaming their downward spiral on everyone from Satan to J. Edgar Hoover. Never accepting their own personal responsibility and wallowing in self absorbed meloncaly until they either overdose on drugs, commit suicide or become "born again" (which mearly transforms them into an altogether different type of whiner). You know... the kind of people you'd just like to grab and try to pimp slap some common sense into. CRACKERS (Pimp Slapped Wild Cherries from hell!!!) Hmmmm.... Pimp Slapped Wild Cherries... that could be a band name. - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #75 **************************