From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #70 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, March 24 2000 Volume 05 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: RE: Atari ST's and Midi gear [Lee Jackson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 02:14:33 -0600 From: Lee Jackson Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Atari ST's and Midi gear On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 02:42:07 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Oh I could date myself even further than that. The first computer program I >ever wrote was on punched cards. The very first computer I ever used didn't >have a monitor, just a printer. Guess that precedes me, then. The first computer I ever used wasn't in the same building as me. It was the mainframe of the Pasadena (TX) school district, back in 1977. I was connected to it via a teletype machine in my junior high school, using a rotary dial phone and an acoustic coupler for the connection. I can still remember typing in "HEL SOU119A" to log onto the mainframe. There wasn't even a main access password - just a school ident. We programmed in BASIC, although the thing was supposedly capable of handling Fortran. Never could get Fortran to work, though, no matter how hard I hacked at it. All our programs were stored on paper punch tape, which was incredibly prone to ripping at the worst possible moment during a reload. We used that kind of setup through my sophomore year of high school, towards the end of which they switched to the - wait for it - *incredible* Apple II+!!! Oh, what a rush that was, being able to save to disk! ;-) - -- Lee Jackson (jacksonhome@home.com) http://gameaudio.3dportal.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:59:08 -0500 From: "D'Arcy Salzmann" Subject: RE: Alloy: Flaky Audio CDs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF9513.03551C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know if this has been mentioned yet in the flaky thread, but the quality of the playback device has an influence as well. Knowing Crackers as we do, I'm guessing that the playback CD player is SEVERAL generations older than the reader on his PC. One test you could try is to take your newly burnt CD to a stereo store and test it on modern equipment there. It might just be the age of your playback device. One of the ÜberNerds at the office explained why this was so but being a dutiful apprentice geek I cannot remember all the details (which keeps the balance of power in my office at detente level). Maybe it was something with the intensity of the laser and the fact that burned CDs are a lot darker than commercial ones. - -------------------------------------------------------- D'Arcy Salzmann Strategic Partner Manager KL Group Inc. 260 King St. East Toronto, ON, Canada M5A 1K3 e: darcy@klgroup.com v: 416 643-3593 f: 416 594-1919 w: http://www.klgroup.com The mysteries of Partners explained, mailto:partnerQ@klgroup.com Software Development Productivity! - --------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Chris Cracknell Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:03 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Flakey Audio CDs In article <412568A9.0029B6DF.00@mta.amadeus.net>, you wrote: >I tend to use Easy CD creator too. >I always buy decent blanks,...you don't have to by expensive ones (Sony, Kodak >and particularly Verbatim are good brands, for example), but in my experience, ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ Yeah I'm pretty sceptical when it comes to buying non-brandname products unless I actually know who the source is. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ >Other tips,....burn on a slow speed. Even if you are able to burn at X4 or X6, >you get better results if you burn at only X2. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ This one I had already heard about long before I bought my CD-R. I just burned them a 1x speed. Set them up to burn before going to bed then came back in the morning and my CD was ready and waiting for me. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ >Also, when filling up a disk, don't fill it to full capacity. The outside edge >gets damaged the most easily,...if you leave a good few megs free on the disk, >the edge remains blank, ensuring your recordings stay safer in the coming years. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ Now there's a clever idea. Of course I don't have too many old cassettes to save that would actually fill an entire CD (except maybe a bootleg recording of a Kiss concert... if that cassette even works still. It's really old). ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ >Last of all, don't do anything else with the machine when you're burning. I lost >countless disks this way until I realised how easily that can cock things up. If >any program crashes or even coughs a little whilst you're burning, it can mess >up the whole session. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ Yeah it didn't take me long after I switched from my Atari ST to my PC to learn that if you're doing any demanding and important task on your PC, don't multitask, you're just asking for a crash. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ >Ummm,...I'm no expert, but usually if something skips, it's the original disk >skipping whilst playing that causes it,...however, in this case, if it works in >the CD-ROM drive, I'd guess that your CD player is just rather >sensitive,...perhaps cleaning the player (lense) might help? Also, see if >burning on a slower speed helps. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^ Cleaned the lense and cleaned the CD-R itself. Got rid of the random skipping but now it continues to skip on one particular spot. I'm figuring it's the result of a tiny, faint scuff on the CD-R that my CD player is being overly sensitive about (even my crappy CD player would play this CD with no problem). CRACKERS (damn dadadadadadadadadadadadad CD play plplplplplplplplplpl er from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF9513.03551C90 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="D'Arcy Salzmann.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="D'Arcy Salzmann.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Salzmann;D'Arcy FN:D'Arcy Salzmann EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:darcy@klgroup.com REV:20000121T200914Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF9513.03551C90-- ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #70 **************************