From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #56 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, March 7 2000 Volume 05 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #55 [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com] Alloy: Gallery/page updates [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #55 [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: Happy (belated) Leap-Day [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] RE: Alloy: Grand Pianos [tim dunn ] RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) ["Krzysko, William" ] RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) ["Krzysko, William" ] Alloy: more Gallery updates [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:17:16 +0200 From: jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #55 Hi all, 'been out of the loop for a few days and there's been lots of interesting stuff going on. > Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) > This is why Kevin doesn't get flu shots - every time he > does, he gets sick as a dog. When I lived in Germany I had colds and flue pretty constantly. I lived in a valley where the temperature stayed within reasonable boundaries and the climate was quite humid - well, damp to be honest. During this time I had at least two BAD boughts of flue each year and numerous colds. Everybody else did too so I never gave it a thought. I had a flu jab each year but still got it... When I moved to Finland 4 years ago I thought "whoa baby! here come the biggest MF flues and colds I can even imagine." I baited my breath and tried to keep as warm as possible in winter. I waited and nothing came. Since I have been here I have had one bought of what could be interpreted as flu and a couple of colds. The temperatures here are so low in winter that bacteria doesn't stand much of a chance. The humidity in the air is so low that even if it weren't so cold the bacteria would have a hard time surviving. The morale of this tale is avoid the humidity wherever possible. As far as I can tell that's the real problem. All the worlds bacteria is just looking for a warm damp place to stay... Anyway, to get back to the subject of flu jabs. The company that I work for offer these jabs for free each fall and the first year that I met my wife we were discussing this and she told me that a cousin of hers is paralysed due to an infection caused but a flu vaccination. Apparently this only happens very rarely but that is not much consolation to her. Paralysed at 22 years old. Great. I have never met her but am reliably informed she is as pissed as hell about it. Flu jabs are OK for the high risk groups like children and old or inform people but if you're young (relatively speaking of course) and fit (ditto) then the benefits aren't really great enough to warrant the risks. I imagine that in the US you have to sign all kinds of disclaimers anyhow so if they do screw it up you've no legal redress. Stay well everyone! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:32:10 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Gallery/page updates I've made some updates to the Gallery tonight! Please go to http://members.aol.com/RThurF/AlloyNamestoFaces.htm to view the updated photos of Dabbitt and Keith, and the new photo of Lucinda. Andy J, Darcy, and Ian (whose photos I'm still working at downloading properly) are lined up to be next. I'm also still updating my homepage http://members.aol.com/RThurF/RobinsHomePage.html getting rid of old images to make room for the new stuff. The newest feature is one in which I'll display a new piece of art at the bottom of the page from time to time. Right now it's one of my favorite, beautiful old photographs called "Motion Study", which I hope you'll like. Also, if you've been just dying of curiosity about the work of one of my favorite artists Jhonen Vasquez... I found a nice link to a fan site which is truly wonderful. Just follow Jhonen's link to the I Feel Sick site, if you have a few spare moments. Those of you who know me will very quickly see what I find so appealing about Jhonen's work!! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:47:27 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V5 #55 >The morale of this tale is avoid the humidity wherever possible. As far as I >can tell that's the real problem..... I feel a little nervous concerning everybodies reactions to the flu jab thing,... A doctor in Finland who had a negative attitude towards the vaccines convinced me that I shouldn't take the flu jab about 6 years ago. Just after this, I went down with flu, which turned into recurrent pneumonia, and I've never been the same since. Admittedly, we'd just had a close family member die, and I'm sure that the emotional impacts of these kind of events have a bad effect on the immune system, but I can't help but think that if I'd had the jab, this could have been avoided,... another cautionary tale concerns my father in law, who had a complication of influenza that destroyed his pancreas and left him severely diabetic. There is always going to be someone who gets badly affected by a vaccine, but I don't believe it would be available if it only had a bad affect. For every person who gets harmed by the vaccine, I'd say there are at least as many who die or are seriously affected by the virus itself, and these people are not always the old, sick or infirm. I'd also say that if someone has a compromised immune system, either the shot or the virus could be problematic. All I know is that I've been free of the flu for the past three years thanks to the vaccine, and this year I've suffered because I didn't take it. One other point is that whilst it might not prevent you from getting the flu, the vaccine does protect against complications such as pneumonia, a particular reason it is offered to high risk groups. I know very many people who have benefited from it. If you never get the flu, maybe you don't need it, but if you do catch it every year or two, why the hell not take it? On a last note, the number one reason I moved from Finland to France was my health. The bugs are indeed killed off by the cold, but it doesn't explain why so many more people get pneumonia in Finland than further south in Europe (told to me by a Finnish doctor - wish I had the explanation). As for the humidity thing, my parents house is pretty damp in comparison to my dry, centrally-heated house in Finland,...so why did I only get sick in Finland? I'd say a lot is down to chance, bad luck, good luck. All you can do it try to tweak the odds a little with a healthy diet and hand washing. Well,..maybe a craving for sunshine and warmth is a natural human condition,.....as much as I miss my home in Finland, I have to say I feel better for moving here. Here's hoping you all stay 'flu free this year! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:23:50 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Happy (belated) Leap-Day >It's nothing special, really. We meet up in a pub, have a few drinks, >try to remember who everyone else is, try to remember who's missing, >wonder how many of them are now dead/in prison/in some other kind of >institution, try to pick ourselves out on the class photos (not as easy >as you might think, after all this time) and go over some of the daft >things we did in our formative years. Heh heh! Sounds like fun! I have my 10th year school reunion this year,...should be good for a laugh! I like reunions because they make me feel smug - it's a get-back at all the people who teased me for being a geek. (grin!) I'm still a geek, but a happy one :-) Speaking of which, did anyone get engaged on Leap-year day? When I rang one friend in England, he said he was disappointed that neither I nor any other women had rung to propose - cheeky blighter! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:03:50 -0000 From: tim dunn Subject: RE: Alloy: Grand Pianos Bosendorfer!!!! Or maybe a big white Yamaha for my cheesier moments! - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis S Alexander [mailto:dalexander@juno.com] Sent: 04 March 2000 19:03 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Alloy: Grand Pianos > Here's another topic of debate for all you Alloids--if you could buy any grand piano, baby or otherwise, what would you choose? We'd love to know what Thomas plays!!!!!! > > Julie Sweeney Ah, a grand piano. (sigh) One of these days... I've always heard that Japanese pianos are the best. They put tons of American companies out of business with their quality. My dad used to sell pianos but that was decades ago so I don't really know exactly what's the best anymore. ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:57:10 -0600 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) >I agree with the washing but, I have to say I really am against flu >shots. I have been to so many different health seminars put on by >various organizations and doctors who are strongly against flu shots >(amongst many other things). I'm about half way through the book now, ( title is something like FLU, story of 1918 yada yada, Gina Kolota is the author) and they point out that in 1918, there were two outbreaks. The first was bad, but not fatal, (sort of like the one we just had) and the second was the deadly one. But, they found out that if you got the first round of it, you would probably survive the second one. So, maybe it's better to get it as much as you can to build up your anti-bodies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:24:35 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) >found out that if you got the first round of it, you would probably survive >the second one. So, maybe it's better to get it as much as you can to build >up your anti-bodies. I'm not sure about that......the vaccine is going to give you the same antibodies that the flu does. I guess the big question is keeping your immune response working, but I guess that your immune system will still get plenty of stimuli, in childhood and otherwise, even if you get the jab. Some will say that it's a case of swings and roundabouts, but I for one will keep taking the vaccine. I'd rather feel woolly headed for a few days, or even get a bout of flu from it than get pneumonia,...again. It protects against that at least. It's hard for me to get away from the fact that I'll always need the jab now because I didn't take it that once,.....annoying. I guess that there's an up and down side to taking any vaccine. Another thing that does annoy me is my co-workers who complain that the flu vaccine didn't work because they caught a cold,...Influenza is a whole different ball game,...bed for a week or two. So many people here don't seem to know the difference. hmmm,...... Lissu From: "Krzysko, William" on 06/03/2000 14:57 GMT Please respond to alloy@smoe.org |---------> | | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |To: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> |"'alloy@smoe.org'" | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |cc: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | (bcc: Louise Ulfstedt/NCE/AMADEUS) | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> | | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> | | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| |---------> |Subject: | |---------> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> |RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) | >---------------------------------------------------------------------------> >-------------------------------------------| | | >-------------------------------------------| >I agree with the washing but, I have to say I really am against flu >shots. I have been to so many different health seminars put on by >various organizations and doctors who are strongly against flu shots >(amongst many other things). I'm about half way through the book now, ( title is something like FLU, story of 1918 yada yada, Gina Kolota is the author) and they point out that in 1918, there were two outbreaks. The first was bad, but not fatal, (sort of like the one we just had) and the second was the deadly one. But, they found out that if you got the first round of it, you would probably survive the second one. So, maybe it's better to get it as much as you can to build up your anti-bodies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:40:16 EST From: "Ian Gifford" Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) At 10:18 2000.03.04, someone (Dennis?) wrote: >Flu shots contain mercury, in order to either kill or half-kill the >virus. Mercury does the same thing to human bodies. It kills. Maybe >the quantity is minutely small in the shot but, you don't need to be >adding more heavy metals to your body when the environment already puts >too much in our bodies. Many people get a little sick, or in somewhat >rare cases, some actually get the full-blown flu from the shot. A >significant reason for this is the mercury; it heavily taxes your immune >system. This is why Kevin doesn't get flu shots - every time he does, he gets sick as a dog. Considering he's one of those people who gets the sniffles once every couple years, it's in his best interest to stay away from them. Me, I just hate needles, and I'm not too terribly fond of western medicine in general. I HEARD THAT! I don't mind doctors that much but every time I have been to one in the last 5 years (less than 6 times I am sure), I have been able to walk in and say (for example) "Hi Doc, I have bronchitis and will be needing tetracycline". Remember I am Canadian and Bronchitis/Colds are our National Ailments, so we get to know these signs/cures at a young age, But generally I avoid doctors. Ian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:57:13 +0200 From: jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com Subject: Alloy: Karmann Ghia plates say 'lost in space' Hi all, today, finally, I got my sweaty little hands on a copy of The Golden Age of Video. I picked it up on ebay for $8 which was nice. On returning home this evening I jammed it straight into the VCR to catch up on all those videos that I had never seen before and was duly pleased. As I had already told, the only videos that I had previously seen were 'science', 'hyperactive' and 'Airhead' so it was great to see the rest and drift back 15 years or so for a while. When airhead began I was more than a little surprised to see that the video before me was not the one that I saw on TV back in 1988. I remember the day well. It was a Saturday morning and I had just come in from shopping and when I switched on the TV I caught the last 2 minutes or so but the video was featuring the pink Karmann Ghia out in the, probably Californian, sunshine with a very pretty lady. The Airhead on GAOV was the Thomas with the remote control and the manually-animated-cardboard-figure-deal. What gives alloyites? Were there two videos for airhead or have I just dreamt the whole thing?? The videos looked really dated now but very charming too. When you compare them to todays multi-million dollar epics they pale on a technical level but I've got to say that they have more character and interest that todays offerings. I remember when I saw the Thriller video for the first time. In those days that WAS an epic. I saw it again recently and it's more laughable now than impressive. Thomas' videos have stood the test of time better methinks. One more hole in the collection filled... AIRHEAD! Or was it just a dream? Cheers, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:22:31 -0800 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) I never get flu shots. Would rather beef up on zinc, echinacea and chamomile. Plus since I've been practicing yoga, I've been able to stay healthier. Kate;-) Robyn Moore wrote: > At 10:18 2000.03.04, you wrote: > > >Flu shots contain mercury, in order to either kill or half-kill the > >virus. Mercury does the same thing to human bodies. It kills. Maybe > >the quantity is minutely small in the shot but, you don't need to be > >adding more heavy metals to your body when the environment already puts > >too much in our bodies. Many people get a little sick, or in somewhat > >rare cases, some actually get the full-blown flu from the shot. A > >significant reason for this is the mercury; it heavily taxes your immune > >system. > > This is why Kevin doesn't get flu shots - every time he does, he gets > sick as a dog. Considering he's one of those people who gets the sniffles > once every couple years, it's in his best interest to stay away from them. > Me, I just hate needles, and I'm not too terribly fond of western medicine > in general. > > Robyn M > > @ Robyn Moore > @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html > @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:27:43 -0800 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) You couldn't of said it better. Death is a sure thing and a release. It's what we do before we die that makes a difference.. Dennis S Alexander wrote: > Robin wrote, > > Unfortunately for me, the flu shot would probably flat out kill me on > the spot, as I'm severely allergic to raw egg white & the vaccine is bred > in eggs. I have to take my chances every year & hope for the best. > Having asthma, this is rather more risky for me than I'd like, but I > figure death is one per customer, and something's got to get me, right? > > > > Robin the morbid > > Yeah, you're right Robin, but I prefer to look at it as, 'what can I > accomplish before I go.' We do our best and hope for the best and expect > the worse. > > What I really hate is when I do one of my health seminars and people tell > me "Well, you're going to die anyway, one of these days." This is my > reply: "Great! I've been looking for someone like you! Tell you what, > you have a 1:2 chance of dying of cancer and with that attitude, I'm sure > it's higher for you. So lets save you all the trouble of going through > an extended period of time with agonizing pain (mind you, it's equal with > childbirth as being the worst pain you can experience). I'm going to > chain you to a wall and whip you till your dead! It will all be over in > a far shorter period of time and a lot less painful! What do you say?" > > 'Oh, the shock, the horror!' Why is it I have to slap people around with > reality to wake them up to the potential in life they could have? It > amazes me! > > Anyway, yeah, were going to die, someday, but, while you have your life, > why not make the best of it? Why not reach out for your dreams? Why not > have a little self-discipline and educate yourself so you can take > yourself to a 'ripe' old age and still be incredibly healthy? Think of > all the things you could accomplish? That's the attitide I have on it. > But then again, (and this is due entirely to my own personal religious > opinion), there is the chance I may never die, along with millions of > others. > ___________ > JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) > www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - > Eleanor Roosevelt > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:25:08 -0800 From: Tony Rivera Subject: Alloy: The Mirror Song Greetings all. I just picked the Toys soundtrack to get The Mirror Song by TMDR and Robin Williams. I had forgotten how much I enjoyed it. I have a couple questions about it too. First, it's written by Trevor Horn and Bruce Woolley. And it lists the song as performed by Mr Dolby with Robin Williams and Joan Cusack with additional vocals by Bruce Wolley. But the music is interesting. Did Thomas have a part in performing it or is it all Trevor on the keyboards, etc? Also of note is that in the back of the booklet they list the "Musicians" and a "Thanks To" but Thoms is conspicuously missing from both lists. What gives with that? Wonder if it was just a mistake? Well in any case, it's a great song and a welcome addition to my collection. And speaking of Dolby / Williams collaberations, does anyone know if the soundtrack to Fern Gully is available on CD? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:24:20 -0600 From: "Krzysko, William" Subject: RE: Alloy: Catching your death of cold (OT) >get pneumonia,...again. It protects against that at least. It's hard for me to >get away from the fact that I'll always need the jab now because I didn't take >it that once,.....annoying. I guess that there's an up and down side to taking >any vaccine. >Another thing that does annoy me is my co-workers who complain that the flu >vaccine didn't work because they caught a cold,...Influenza is a whole different >ball game,...bed for a week or two. So many people here don't seem to know the >difference. Well, I've never had a flu shot, so I haven't really studied much about them. In the past I've always thought of the flu as an annoyance, but not really deadly. But from what I've read, the flu virus could be deadlier then the Ebola virus. Ebola requires contact with body fluids, flu is airborne. As far as side effects go, I will have to look at them to see if I might be at risk. I guess it's a trade off like anything. It reminds me of all the drug company commercials you see now in the US. 5 seconds to tell you about the drug, another 25 seconds listing all the possible side effects. (Yawning? Yawning is a side effect?) Sometimes they don't even tell you what the drug is for, you just see people looking really happy to be taking it.... The other weird part of the 1918 flu was that having a healthy immune system seemed to *increase* your chance of dying. Most deaths were 20-40 year olds. Sorry everyone, to start so depressing a topic... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:25:51 -0800 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: Karmann Ghia plates say 'lost in space' I love the eighties music videos! From the really great videos to the really cheeeesy videos. We have the Golden Age of Wireless video. Have to say Dolby's music itself stands the test of time. Some things just don't lose their value. I've very few videos these days that are creative and talk about more then getting laid or killing someone or looking bad ass (excuse my language). There's a new video out by Red Hot Chili Peppers that can compete with those great eighties videos. I have yet to see a female band do more then make a (vanity, 'aren't we so sexy' video). At least the bangles had some creativity in their videos. I haven't had the pleasure to view the Airhead video and the Hyperactive video in their entirety. I've seen the video clips I picked up from the Flat Earth Society website, but that's about it. Oh well. Have you people noticed there really isn't a pure music TV station anymore?? Even VH1 hardly just plays music videos. What is our society coming to?? Harder and harder to have some fun. Gag me with a pitchfork, Like, you know... Kate;-) jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com wrote: > Hi all, > today, finally, I got my sweaty little hands on a copy of The Golden Age of > Video. I picked it up on ebay for $8 which was nice. > > On returning home this evening I jammed it straight into the VCR to catch up > on all those videos that I had never seen before and was duly pleased. > > As I had already told, the only videos that I had previously seen were > 'science', 'hyperactive' and 'Airhead' so it was great to see the rest and > drift back 15 years or so for a while. > > When airhead began I was more than a little surprised to see that the video > before me was not the one that I saw on TV back in 1988. > I remember the day well. It was a Saturday morning and I had just come in > from shopping and when I switched on the TV I caught the last 2 minutes or > so but the video was featuring the pink Karmann Ghia out in the, probably > Californian, sunshine with a very pretty lady. The Airhead on GAOV was the > Thomas with the remote control and the > manually-animated-cardboard-figure-deal. What gives alloyites? > > Were there two videos for airhead or have I just dreamt the whole thing?? > > The videos looked really dated now but very charming too. When you compare > them to todays multi-million dollar epics they pale on a technical level but > I've got to say that they have more character and interest that todays > offerings. > I remember when I saw the Thriller video for the first time. In those days > that WAS an epic. I saw it again recently and it's more laughable now than > impressive. Thomas' videos have stood the test of time better methinks. > > One more hole in the collection filled... > > AIRHEAD! Or was it just a dream? > > Cheers, > Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:49:52 -0000 From: "Trevor James Blagg" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Mirror Song Subject: Alloy: The Mirror Song Tony Rivera wrote: <> Also a question that I have pondered for many years but never got round to asking it....Nice one Tony! Even if it was available on vinyl it would be something. Trev..... P.S. those of you who have actually seen the film Toys will have noticed that Robin Willliams actually sang the Mirror Song in the film itself, leaving Thomas's version for the credits. It was really weird to see Robin singing this, especially as I bought the CD before seeing the film....gave me a bit of a shock actually, even though it was performed quite well. Trev..again.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:44:21 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: The Mirror Song Yes, the Ferngully soundtrack is available on CD, but beware...there are two different CD's. One is the instrumental music, and one is the songs with TMDR & R Williams. - -Russell Milliner Trevor James Blagg wrote: > > Subject: Alloy: The Mirror Song > > Tony Rivera wrote: > > < soundtrack to Fern Gully is available on CD?>> > > Also a question that I have pondered for many years but never got round to > asking it....Nice one Tony! > > Even if it was available on vinyl it would be something. > > Trev..... > > P.S. those of you who have actually seen the film Toys will have noticed > that Robin Willliams actually sang the Mirror Song in the film itself, > leaving Thomas's version for the credits. It was really weird to see Robin > singing this, especially as I bought the CD before seeing the film....gave > me a bit of a shock actually, even though it was performed quite well. > > Trev..again.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:38:38 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: more Gallery updates I've just kissed my computer because it let me publish these updates - without saying I'm out of room!! I know I'm close (soon I'll have to do that accounts flipflop, which I'm dreading) Visit the Alloy Names to Faces gallery, now featuring Craig, D'Arcy, and Andy J (Ian, I'm still working on the one you sent, but I'll crack it open yet...) Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #56 **************************