From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #42 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 05 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: happy birthday Slarv!! ["electrix" ] Re: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) [Jon ] Alloy: An article [lulfstedt@amadeus.net] Re: Alloy: An article [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: (OT) amazing little book [Robin Thurlow ] Alloy: Name fix [Dennis S Alexander ] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #40 [Dennis S Alexander ] RE: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) ["D'Arcy Salzmann" Subject: Re: Alloy: happy birthday Slarv!! Birthday boy said: >If you mean 'The Emeritus Professor' thread, I have a full set of all >the chapters. I think Bun Fu was mentioned in other threads as well, >but I don't have copies of those. Yeah.. that's right it came up several times in "Emeritus" but it was more frequently used in the Slarvi and Miss Sakamoto slutsy, love fiction, online thread novel. :-) Which I think I saved a few.. I'll have to look at my archives. A Blast from the Past!!! >PPPPS This missive powered by Ozric Tentacles -'Agog in the ether' from >Pungent Efulgent. Cool baby! Yeah, I hear it... anyone that listens to Ozric is Rad in my books. Try Univers Zero for size... start with the CD "Heatwave." Otto wrote: >> Is there an archive of that discussion thread anywhere. I will look in my archives. >> Still smiling from that 'lectrix. >> LOL >> otto Man... would I pay a fortune to experience the Tap bar interludes, LOL!! boy... have we grown up! :-) I just hope the R2D2, Miss Sakamoto, Princess, The Professor, Sphere (in order of appearance) and cast who's nick by now I have forgotten are doing well. Otto... I have a childish grin on my face. And yes as you once commented, I STILL like those hot, young schoolgirls.... (ha,ha,ha...just kidding). See ya... electrix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 05:37:48 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) I had no where else to turn, and then suddenly I remembered the Alloy-ites. There was a song I loved, in the mid-eighties. I was always under the impression that it was by a group called Secession. The phrase "a letter from afar" is the only lyric I remember. Does anyone know what I am talking about? Like a fool, I bid on a Secession re-mix cd on Ebay, and won it for over $50. And the song wasn't on it! And now there is an album up for auction and the price is already at $91, so I don't want to make the same mistake twice. Any help would be appreciated. Thank-you, Children of Dolby, thank-you >>jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:10:02 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Re: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) Jon, Don't know if this is any help, but here is a Secession discography: http://129.82.172.172/secsdisc.htm Good Luck! Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:37:48 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) Thanks so much Lissu....i am a jerk for waiting so long to ask for help..the auction is over in 8 hours. I am going to try emailing some of those people who compiled that list and see if they know the title. thanks again ...jon lulfstedt@amadeus.net wrote: > Jon, > Don't know if this is any help, but here is a Secession discography: > > http://129.82.172.172/secsdisc.htm > > Good Luck! > > Lissu :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:09:28 +0100 From: lulfstedt@amadeus.net Subject: Alloy: An article Hi all,.... In case anyone's interested, I just came across an 80's - orientated e-zine called Lexicon, which carries an interview with Thomas. It seems to be dated as fall 1996, but I'm not quite sure when the interview was made,could be a little later...but I think it's quite interesting. Find it below. The New Wave site Lexicon is based at is interesting in general for 80's music - check it out on: http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/complex/intro.html They also have a small page dedicated to Thomas' music ,...Robin, there's at least one image that I haven't seen before in case you're interested,... http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/Now/dolby.html Enjoy! Lissu :-) Here's the article,... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------- L E X I C O N A MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO MUSIC FROM THE EARLY 80'S - Fall 1996 LEXICON - VOLUME ONE NUMBER THREE Thomas Dolby: Not Blinded By Science If you are of the mind that Thomas Dolby vanished into one hit wonderland after his top five hit "Blinded by Science," listen up, because you don't know half the story. Thomas Dolby Robertson, to use his full name, never really went away. He's been lurking just beneath the surface with subversive hits like "Hyper Active" and "Airhead" and he's been scoring movies, some good (Gothic), some, well, different (Howard the Duck.) He's done soundtracks to videos like Gateway to the Mind's Eye and been involved with producing (Pre Fab Sprout) and his company Headspace has emerged as a major player on the Internet. Mostly he's been living the good life in Northern California. Lexicon had a chance to quiz him the other dayÉ Lexicon: What have you been up to these days? Dolby: For the last three years I've been running a company called Headspace, which makes technology and content for the internet. We've been gradually ramping up. The latest feather in our cap is that Java has licensed our technology to be the audio engine in their language. Is Headspace mainly internet based then or have you done CD ROM's and video games as well? Yeah, we've done content for CD ROM's. Our technology has also been licensed to about 50 games, but we've been gradually shifting over more to the internet. You've done music for some games as well, right? Yeah, most recently Obsidian, Siberia, and Dark Eye. Did you work on the new Prefab Sprout album? No I didn't. We talked a lot about it, but my general attitude about my music career at this point and time is that hopefully I will be able to jump back on it like it was a bicycle. It will happen eventually, I believe it will still be there. To go back to your earlier career, Golden Age of Wireless seemed to go through several different versions. When it first came out in this country (the US), it first had "Urges" and "Leipzig" on it, minus "Blinded" and "One of Our Submarines." The album was already out when I started recording those two songs. Those songs came out as an A and B side single in Britain. When the American record company, Capitol, heard them, they thought that they would stand a much better chance than anything off the Golden Age of Wireless as it then was. So they released a mini album, called Blinded by Science. It had those two songs plus "Airwaves," "Windpower" and "Radio Silence." For those last three, are they different versions from what was on Golden Age? Yes, they're longer versions. And so "Science" became a big hit, and it was really MTV that triggered that. It still wasn't getting a lot of radio play. But MTV was starting to become really important. That was really the reason radio started playing it, they were influenced by MTV at the time. It was very much to my surprise that Science became a hit in this country. The mini LP was almost viewed as a promotional item. What Capitol then decided to do was to put those songs back on Wireless and re-release the album. Do you think we'll ever see a "complete" Golden Age, with Urges, Leipzig , Science and Submarines all together? That's not a bad idea! I get calls from people like Rhino (records) who want to do re-issues, so, yeah, that may happen. "We played with Thomas Dolby one time on the last tour. It was on a boat in San Francisco. It was very bizarre, sitting there having lunch before the show with him sitting there at the next table. I remember thinking - 'She Blinded Me With Science,' I was listening to that in junior high school. " -David Schelzel, The Ocean Blue Moving on to Hyperactive. That was a wild video, was that Godley and Cream? No, that was Danny Klineman. The rumor was that there were a bunch of slightly different versions of the video and that you had done re-mixes to each version? No, there were two versions of the song, a 7" and a 12". We did videos to accompany both. You mentioned earlier that you might jump back in and follow up Astronauts and Heretics? Yeah, I think that I will come around to that. What's interesting about my career is that there have been fairly large gaps between albums. There's a hard core fan base that gets frustrated and gets antsy, but they're still around when I release another album. That's been very important to me. I think the time will come when I get back into it but right now I'm having a lot of fun. Have you done any other production work other than Prefab Sprout. I co-produced a Joni Mitchell album [Dog Eat Dog]. Worked with George Clinton [Some of My Best Jokes are Friends] and an Israeli artist called Ofra Haza [Desert Wind album.] Ofra Haza is best known as the wailing voice in the Coldcut mix of Eric B. and Rakim's "Paid In Full" and "Pump Up The Volume." Which is your favorite Muppet? The Sax Player. Have you seen the new muppet show where they did a version of "Blinded by Science." Yes I did, actually. They sent me a video. I thought it was pretty funny. Another interesting take on "Blinded" was a Weird Al Yankovich spoof called "I Bought Her An Appliance." You don't mind that kind of thing? I think it's great. You've got to take it in good grace. Can't get upset about it. It's not like it was that serious a song in the first place. It was kind of a spoof to begin with. I think if the Muppets had done a spoof of "Screen Kiss" or "Budapest By Blimp," I would have taken it a bit more personally. Who do you want to work with that you haven't yet. I've met almost all my heroes. But I haven't worked with all of them. It's a precarious thing to do because sometimes they're not quite what you hoped for, then a little piece of magic has gone out of your life. But I've never met Brian Eno, he's been a long time hero of mine, not only because of his music, but he's had such a model career. He's been able to really balance art and commerce. He's been in the right place at the right time for such a wide range of artists. Yet his music has been so constantly inspirational. Oddly enough we're both from the same small town in eastern England. I've heard that he's been seen wandering up and down my beach on occasions, but I've never actually bumped into him. Do you still go back to England much? Yeah, I have a house there. I go back about once a year with my family. You've done a lot of movie scores. What movie in particular do you wish you had scored? My favorite movie of the last year was Shine. But I'm no Racmananov, so I don't think I'd have much of a shot scoring that one. The best movies to score are the ones that are really wide open. Lots of sprawling pans across the landscape. Those are usually the ones that end up winning the Oscars. Things like Out of Africa, Dances with Wolves, The Last Emperor. I think that the English Patient is very likely to win this year purely because, of the main movies, it is the most panoramic. Those are the ones that always win the best score. As a writer I tend to look for those kinds of things rather than action adventure chase movies or Woody Allen type movies. You can do great work in those kind of things, but it's not really going to get noticed. Ideally what you want is a black and white French movie with two lovers who slowly walk though a corn field, then sit under a tree for a while and then commit suicide. What kind of music are you listening to these days? Really very very little. The radio in the San Francisco Bay area is absolutely dreadful. It's shocking really. The music scene here is incredibly backward. There are a few clubs in the city that have good music, and there is good music in the current "scene," but of course none of it gets played on the radio. I don't like to browse record stores anymore, but I do buy CDs on line occasionally. Does the 80's revival bother you or are you okay with it? It bothers me a little bit because I think that what I'm doing now is very valid, but it doesn't surprise me that much. I think pop culture is accelerating in this country. By the time I was coming out with records in '82 in Britain, there had been two or three 60's revivals. Things move very fast over there. The whole country would wear tye dye for two months and then it's gone. Where as in this country there is still somebody wearing tye dye from 1967. Things move a lot slower over hear, but I notice that it has accelerated even over here. The fact that in the States there is now an 80's revival, I find that quite amusing. But at the same time I hate to be thought of as a "currently residing in the where are they now file" type - to take a leaf out of the Spinal Tap book. Here's a list of the singles that were in the Top 10 when "Blinded By Science" was - "Beat It," Let's Dance," "Overkill," "Flashdance," "Jeopardy," "Little Red Corvette," "Solitare," "DerKommissar," and "Come On Eileen." Wow, that's a fairly star studded top ten I'd say. Interesting, I always wondered why I didn't get to #1. Those were great records though. "Beat It" was the classic synthesis of Michael Jackson's sort of Rock and Soul. That was the time when his tough approach had the most credibility, before it turned into this ridiculous pastiche. Bowie's "Let's Dance," again, that was an epiphany for him, where he had gotten into his new style with Nile Rogers. That album for him, although he had always been a huge cult in the States, that was the one that took him through the roof. He'd always been a hero of mine. I was lucky enough a couple of years later to play with him at Wembly at Live Aid. When you were starting out did you ever think you'd have a top 5 single with David Bowie in the same top 5? No, never! I mean I still can't really believe it! That's not something I really set out to do. I don't consider myself a mainstream artist. You have to take it with a grain of salt. Dexy's Midnight Runners, again, an absolute classic. I can't say I like the guy (Kevin Rowland) very much, I think he's a turd on a personal level. He was very rude to me one press conference, he kept snatching the mike, being rude about my music. He seems to be one of these people that every one respects, but no one likes. Yeah, well British musicians are incredibly rude to each other. Most British musicians would take absolutely no notice of each other. For example, I was always rubbing shoulders with Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and stuff, and with a couple of exceptions, they were very standoffish, very competitive. Gary Kemp (Spandau) is the exception. But there were other people in those bands who were complete snobs. That's pretty much the way with British musicians. That was one reason it was refreshing for me when I moved here. People from all different styles of music would come back stage, they were behind what I was doing, they liked that I was different. I like the community of artists in the States way better than in Britain. That's one reason why I settled here. Our thanks to Mr. Dolby for taking time out of his busy schedule to talk to Lexicon. You can reach Headspace on the Web. They also house a great Thomas Dolby fan club called "The Flat Earth Society." Look for a story next issue about the different versions of Golden Age of Wireless. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:46:47 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: An article Thanks for the reference Lissu :) I hadn't seen the bottom photo before either (the one with Thomas' hands bridged over the lights) - I LOVE it! There should be more pictures of him for us to gaze upon, especially recent ones. The resolution on the top photo was amazing too. I'd seen that image before but never in such sharp detail. Robin T very pleased :) lulfstedt@amadeus.net wrote: Robin, there's at > least one image that I haven't seen before in case you're interested,... > http://www.path.unimelb.edu.au/~new_wave/Now/dolby.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:00:59 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Alloy: (OT) amazing little book egad, I just have to mention this beautiful little book that's just come down to me this minute for repair (its exterior spine has come loose) The book was printed in 1787, and it still has handwriting in it that was obviously made with a quill pen by its previous owner. it's so cool getting to handle these! off to rebind now... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:20:56 -0700 From: Dennis S Alexander Subject: Alloy: Name fix > sorry, it's just that the typeface I'm using for the page has everyone's name starting in small letters (except yours - since you specifically start the JAMac with all caps to differentiate it from the... well, anyway..) I can change it when I get home if you don't like it. Ah, that might explain it. I didn't even bother to look at everyone else's names. I guess next to my CAPS it looked funny. You could change her 'styles' to 'CSMac' (phonically, almost sounds like watching a kiss, "see a smack", hmmm...) for her Cory Styles MacAlister alias (it was Cory Styles before she met me). ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:45:33 -0700 From: Dennis S Alexander Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #40 > Jammy wrote: > >And, electrix picture surprised me (or am I sticking my foot in my > mouth? > > Hope not,) but you appear to a little older than I originally > thought! > > Ha,ha,ha...I am full of surprises, you should know that by now JAMs! Yes you are! > >Or is the hairline just receeding at a rapid pace in your youth? > > Your comment reminds me of Sebastian in Blade Runner... genetic > anomaly of aging quickly. It has always been a receding hairline > even back then I think what you are noticing it more because my > grey/white hair are blossoming by the bunch and its displaying more > of my thining hairline. I can, I suppose, blame it on my stressful > job. I'm not sure if mine's related to stress or that stupid Pert Plus I used to use. (y'know, the cheap all-in-one shampoo for cheap guys) I used it for years then all of a sudden at about 25 my hair started falling out, in the same pattern as my dad, with two 'holes' appearing at the top-back of my head. Suppose I'll have a Mr. T hairdo eventually, with the mohawk and the two bushes sticking out the side. Mind you, it won't look quite as good on me! More like a Bozo the Clown gone punk sort of 'do. After I stopped using that shampoo, for two weeks I had little balls of wax (one of the ingredients) coming out of my scalp pores. Yeah, I know, sounds gross, but since then (it's been about 7 years now) my hair stopped falling out, but it's never grown back in either. I only use high-quality shampoos like Nioxin now (hoping it'll encourage regrowth. Yeah right!) > Not me... e differentiate me from the signal processinfg company > called Electrix with a capital e. It also humbles me. Although, at > work the tendency of people is to call me Big O, an in other e-mail > exchanges Big E. Don't know why....I can only guess that I put out > those vibes. > > electrix I have people always calling me Big D as well, and these are people who've never seen each other! I must be putting out those same vibes too, or something. Maybe it's the gut. ___________ JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:29:34 -0500 From: "D'Arcy Salzmann" Subject: RE: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF7C99.99DF4510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A letter from St. Paul? That would the Silencers Secession were a Scottish band that had a minor alt.hit with The Magician - -------------------------------------------------------- D'Arcy Salzmann Strategic Partner Manager KL Group Inc. 260 King St. East Toronto, ON, Canada M5A 1K3 e: darcy@klgroup.com v: 416 643-3593 f: 416 594-1919 w: http://www.klgroup.com The mysteries of Partners explained, mailto:partnerQ@klgroup.com Software Development Productivity! - --------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 5:38 AM To: Alloy Subject: Alloy: Song title help(non-dolby) I had no where else to turn, and then suddenly I remembered the Alloy-ites. There was a song I loved, in the mid-eighties. I was always under the impression that it was by a group called Secession. The phrase "a letter from afar" is the only lyric I remember. Does anyone know what I am talking about? Like a fool, I bid on a Secession re-mix cd on Ebay, and won it for over $50. And the song wasn't on it! And now there is an album up for auction and the price is already at $91, so I don't want to make the same mistake twice. Any help would be appreciated. Thank-you, Children of Dolby, thank-you >>jon - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF7C99.99DF4510 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="D'Arcy Salzmann.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="D'Arcy Salzmann.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Salzmann;D'Arcy FN:D'Arcy Salzmann EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:darcy@klgroup.com REV:20000121T200914Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF7C99.99DF4510-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:01:01 -0800 From: "electrix" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V5 #40 Balding pattern... >After I stopped using that shampoo, for two weeks I had little balls of >wax (one of the ingredients) coming out of my scalp pores. Yeah, I know, >sounds gross, but since then (it's been about 7 years now) my hair >stopped falling out, but it's never grown back in either. I only use >high-quality shampoos like Nioxin now (hoping it'll encourage regrowth. >Yeah right!) Hmmm...Nioxin, never heard of it. I think you are right, though... using those chemical based shampoo are to be avoided at all cost. I now only use herbal/nutrient shampoo and wash-out conditioner with Jojoba Oil as a leave-in conditioner. The same has happened to me --- I stopped losing hair but the thining hairline still remains. Now and again I have to get a haircut because my sides and some top part grows so much that it looks like I purposely shaved off the thining line. I look like some kinda wannabe punker. But my haircuts always balances out my hairdo. As one of my Barbers mentioned "you can let it all grow out or you can grow old and dignified" :-). So.... I regularly get my haircut. Of course, I maintain a low cholesterol (eases blood circulation), a balanced nutrition and a healthy dosage of Biotin and Alexander's Omega 3 to maintain what I got. I have also often thought of blackening my whites and greys, but I feel more "sophisticated" with them bunching up at my side.... Anyway, the way I figure it... if the babes at the University still find me attractive, I am doing okay. :-) I think the myth of long hair is wanning as we move into the future.. sort of reminds me of George Lucas' THX 1138 Sci-Fi movie where shaved heads is the in-thing. Or maybe the Grey abductions and experiments are re-arranging our genetics...I suppose when our eyes start to become dark almond shape then we have reason to worry. LOL! Wait a minute... is the this a GQ mailing list or what? Ha,ha,ha... Youngens beware... take heed 'less you lose it all. P.S. In addition to hair grooming, go to the dentist two to three times a year. Make it a habit guys and gals, the pain grows less as you do it more frequently. Trust me, you will thank me later. Friendly advisor... electrix ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #42 **************************