From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V5 #6 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 05 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: One of our submarines WAS missing... [jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com] Alloy: Spam Tin (was: One of Their Submarines) ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Speaking of misunderstanding lyrics... ["Julie Sweeney" ] Re: Alloy: Spam Tin (was: One of Their Submarines) [Jon Subject: Alloy: Spam Tin (was: One of Their Submarines) Elaine informs: > I couldn't resist, especially in light of the current OOOS > comments! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232889861 > > Come on now, which one of you has the deep pockets... Opening bid is .5Mbuck (reserve not yet met)! That's a lotta dosh... Hmmmm. Maybe we should all chip in, buy it, restore the powerplant, drive, and navigation systems, and float it around the world offering tours, excursions, and exotic dining. I suggest we name it "Spam Tin" in honor of Thomas. I know we have at least one serious submarine enthusiast amongst us . . ., but decline to name names. /\/\iles >>> A boat is a hole in the water you throw your money into. >>> BOAT is an acronym for Break Out Another Thousand. >>> The two happiest days in a boat owner's life are the day they buy it, and the day they sell it. PS Yes, I own a boat. It is a 1973 18' runabout that I have brought back from very close to the marine scrap yard. Purchased for around $1200 - the current outlay is up around 7 or 8 Kbucks (mostly materials) and she (Phoenix) still needs paint and upholstery! Everything else is done and I use it every summer. What a gas! (hog) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:56:30 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: 12" single RPM info Jon asks: > On a lighter note. Has anyone ever seen or heard of US 12" > singles that play at 33 1/3rpm? Some guy in the US is trying to > convince me that UK 12" singles play at 45rpm and US 12" singles > play at 33 1/3rpm. He's convinced that he is right but I don't > buy it. Don't. I've seen them both ways, but I would not characterize this as a strictly UK or USA defined quality. Take, for example, Dissidents: The Search for Truth Parts 1 - 2, Capitol (USA) V-8594, 12" single, 45 RPM. /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:34:56 -0600 From: "Julie Sweeney" Subject: Alloy: Smugglers & taxes I feel compelled to point out that I did not literally slap him upside the head, but rather correct him gently and lovingly as a good wife should. hee heee heee....... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Damn! Been singing that for years! :) > > Fear not Melissa... > > Actually - time to REALLY 'fess up. For an entire year I always > wondered why Tom "had to call a smuggler" . > Sat there with a puzzled look on my face 'till my wife slapped > me upside the head. Hand to God. Yeah lyric sheets are a > good thing... so is reading them! > > Any other shame stories? Come on, let's have 'em... > > Damien J. Sweeney > dsweeney@pcpros.net > President/CEO > PC Professionals, Inc. > www.pcpros.net > Now, on a more serious note, I too find this quite disturbing... it is hard to imagine any legitimate rationale behind such a tax, since I'm sure they pay the ordinary income taxes for their writing work. This news, for me, comes on the heels of a rather depressing conversation I had with my daughter just a day or two ago... she is learning about government in school, and while driving, etc. we often discuss what the government controls (roads, police, etc...). Somehow the subject of where the money to pay for this work comes from (they are also learning about this a little in school), and I tried to explain taxes in a very simple way to her. I started with income tax, then a little about sales tax. She understood, sort of.... and of course, skipped merrily on the next topic, which could have been what happened at recess that day. Meanwhile this whole tax thing is mushrooming inside my head, as I mentally listed ALL the different taxes I could have told her about... all the usual ones most everyone pays, then all the extra-special ones our company gets to pay, employer-matching, etc. We even get to pay a city personal property tax every year, which taxes all the stuff we have and use in our office... right down to the paper clips. It is completely overwhelming when you get right down to it. How come we never sit down and tally it all up in one nice neat column? Then of course the truly disturbing ramifications of this, control of the media and suppressing free speech, I can barely even grasp. It makes all the freaky conspiracy-theory, futuristic fantasy stuff seem perfectly plausible... maybe we do all want to be asleep, so to speak. I just also want to add that this ate at me all morning long... and I tried to carefully construct what I wanted to say, although I'm sure it still came out as gibberish. Now I will try to pull myself up out of my meditative funk and get on with life. At least I have my Wisconsin state sales tax rebate to look forward to!!! Wheeeee!!! Thinking of all the tiny insect writers out there in the palm of LA history.... Julie jsweeney@pcpros.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:10:-0800 (PST) > From: Elaine Linstruth > Subject: Alloy: For Your Ponderance (OT) > > I'd just like to throw this out there. Those of you that are off-list > friends of mine already know my feelings about the US state in which I > live -- here is some -more- information that *unfortunately* backs my > feelings up. > > I don't want to start any big flaming bonfires, I just honestly wonder if > any of you have comments. I like that this list is so open to various > discussions, and also I welcome the non-USA input. Keeping in mind, of > course, that no one needs to yell at each other about whose government is > correct. > > If any of you are interested in more hair-raising sleep-deprivation > information, I have plenty of it. As hard as I try, I can't shake the > feelings that keep creeping in.. about my, our, liberties that have been > taken for granted for so long. > > It's funny how it never occurred to me til I moved to California. > > - -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > > - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > The slippery slope toward total tyranny is not a gun nut myth. It is a > real, perceivable threat to our way of life. > > - ------- start of forwarded message ------- > > Kevin Baker wrote: > > > Well, now. Since the City of Los Angeles has decided to infringe on > > FIRST amendment rights and the courts have (gasp!) backed them up, the > > press begins to see the "slippery slope" we Second Amendment backers > > have been proclaiming. Maybe now they'll take us more seriously. > > Please see these two WorldNetDaily columns: > > > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/20000112_xcbtl_americas_f.shtml > > > > and > > > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/20000112_xex_los_angeles_.sht > > ml > > > > Please bear in mind that your reader may not allow you to just click and go > > to the link. In that case, copy the entire reference and paste it to your > > web browser. It only takes a couple of extra seconds. Alternately, go to > > WorldNetDaily and look them up yourself. > > In for a penny in for a pound. If cities can get away with ignoring one > amendment, the Second, they might as well ignore the First. How much do > you want to bet that Atwood is making plans to move to Los Angeles? > > David > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:44:06 -0600 From: "Julie Sweeney" Subject: Alloy: Speaking of misunderstanding lyrics... I just had a thought, after my last post... wouldn't it be too wonderful if I got that "Dissidents" lyric wrong? I'm gonna have to go check.... Julie jsweeney@pcpros.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:10:17 -0500 From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: Smugglers & taxes Julie Sweeney wrote: > I started > with income tax, then a little about sales tax. She understood, sort of.... > and of course, skipped merrily on the next topic, which could have been what > happened at recess that day. Meanwhile this whole tax thing is mushrooming > inside my head, as I mentally listed ALL the different taxes I could have > told her about... all the usual ones most everyone pays, then all the > extra-special ones our company gets to pay, employer-matching, etc. We even > get to pay a city personal property tax every year, which taxes all the > stuff we have and use in our office... right down to the paper clips. It is > completely overwhelming when you get right down to it. How come we never sit > down and tally it all up in one nice neat column? All the taxes do seem bewildering when you really start to think about them. What are taxes like in other areas of the world i wonder? here in the US, I'm perfectly happy to pay taxes if, in theory, I can be sure the money is going to something that's good for the community/state/country, and isn't just going toward paying some senator's outrageously high lunch tab or something (which I fear... it actually does go to!) That brings to mind my husband's and my idea that all people holding public office should be earning the national average income, including the president. It'd never happen, of course, but it sure would make them all work harder I bet... :: > I just also want to add that this ate at me all morning long... and I tried > to carefully construct what I wanted to say, although I'm sure it still came > out as gibberish. not at all, you're very clear :) BTW... you all may notice I'm writing from a secondary address based at my place of employment. My AOL is flipping out @ home & we're still trying to find out why, exactly... it was fine & then it was suddenly not fine. Are any other AOL users having problems with the newest version? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:28:56 -0500 From: Jon Subject: Re: Alloy: Spam Tin (was: One of Their Submarines) Sparn Tin it is :) "Stephen M. Tilson" wrote: > Elaine informs: > > > I couldn't resist, especially in light of the current OOOS > > comments! > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232889861 > > > > Come on now, which one of you has the deep pockets... > > Opening bid is .5Mbuck (reserve not yet met)! That's a lotta > dosh... Hmmmm. Maybe we should all chip in, buy it, restore the > powerplant, drive, and navigation systems, and float it around the > world offering tours, excursions, and exotic dining. I suggest we > name it "Spam Tin" in honor of Thomas. > > I know we have at least one serious submarine enthusiast amongst us . > . ., but decline to name names. > > /\/\iles > > >>> A boat is a hole in the water you throw your money into. > > >>> BOAT is an acronym for Break Out Another Thousand. > > >>> The two happiest days in a boat owner's life are > the day they buy it, and the day they sell it. > > PS Yes, I own a boat. It is a 1973 18' runabout that I have brought > back from very close to the marine scrap yard. Purchased for around > $1200 - the current outlay is up around 7 or 8 Kbucks (mostly > materials) and she (Phoenix) still needs paint and upholstery! > Everything else is done and I use it every summer. What a gas! (hog) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:56:11 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: One of our submarines WAS missing... In a message dated 1/13/00 2:25:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com writes: :: ... it seems I'm being very picky today. Sorry about that, it must be the light deprivation. :: Please be as picky as you like, everyone's opinion matters here. :: On a lighter note. Has anyone ever seen or heard of US 12" singles that play at 33 1/3rpm? Some guy in the US is trying to convince me that UK 12" singles play at 45rpm and US 12" singles play at 33 1/3rpm. He's convinced that he is right but I don't buy it. I now have a good portion of Toms 12" US releases and they all play at 45rpm. :: I haven't had a turntable in nearly ten years, but I remember playing 12" singles at 33 1/3 rpm back in the old days. At least I think I remember it. Hm, are 12" singles the same as EP's, because I might be confusing the two. :: Am I going mad or what. (on second thoughts - don't answer that1) :: Join the club then. I won't say a word I promise! with AOL back on track... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:24:33 EST From: Spencer2424@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: One of our submarines WAS missing... In a message dated 1/13/00 12:25:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, jonathan.chiddick@nokia.com writes: << On a lighter note. Has anyone ever seen or heard of US 12" singles that play at 33 1/3rpm? Some guy in the US is trying to convince me that UK 12" singles play at 45rpm and US 12" singles play at 33 1/3rpm. He's convinced that he is right but I don't buy it. I now have a good portion of Toms 12" US releases and they all play at 45rpm. >> For what it's worth, I've been collecting vinyl for many years, and I would agree that in the old days (roughly between 1977 and 1990), virtually all of the US 12" singles were 33rpm, while nearly all of the imported stuff was 45rpm. I do not know why that was the custom, but that was how the record companies did things. But in recent years, it seems that an increasing number of US 12" releases have come out at 45rpm. This may be partly due to the large number of independent labels that sprang up in the 1990's, as well at the changing roles of DJ's. There are also a lot more double and even triple-twelve inch singles coming out of the US (which I suppose is kind of necessary, if you want to release all 405 remixes of a song on vinyl). What aggravates me is that in the "old days", they always put at least one recognizable version of the song on the twelve inch single (either an LP cut or the radio edit). But nowadays, you're very lucky to get anything that even remotely resembles the original song on a 12" single. And while I love the idea of someone remixing and reinventing a song, I'd have to say that most of the time, the remixes, well...they suck. All drum n' bass, with almost no connection to the feel or mood of the original tune. There are some exceptions, of course (Todd Terry usually does wonderful remixes, as does William Orbit). But for the most part, I'd say that the "remix" concept kind went the way of MTV - entirely commercial and predictable. Speaking of singles, have any of you ever noticed the "censored" lyric in the UK radio edit for "Silk Pyjamas?" On the album, he sings "How's the bugger, going to manage..." But on the single version, it's "How's she ever, going to manage..." I would guess that the record company feared that "bugger" sounded too much like a much less acceptable slang term starting with "f", and as for another version. Anybody know the story behind that? - - Craig (Spencer2424) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V5 #6 *************************