From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #285 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, October 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 285 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time [Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time At 12:15 AM 10/21/99 , you wrote: > >Alloids, > >I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt >puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. I am in >the habit of registering shareware according to the concept that if I like >and use it, the author should be suitably rewarded. I suppose this >attitude is in the minority judging from what I see on the Net, but perhaps >the movement is growing. Any thoughts? Do you register your shareware? >Be honest. Some we have, like Linux and ZMUD and a few other things. Some we mean to, like Lunabar and the occasional game. In general, we at least consider it. Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:51:55 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: A lil' help... Crackers asked: > could somebody please tell me the jist of what all this "Science > 1999" stuff is... The Science1999 remix is a Beatnik program that allows you to pick and choose from various elements of the song, some original, some new, to create your own version of She Blinded Me with Science. The instrumentation in broken down into two versions of six categories: vocals, orchestra (synths), guitar, bass, perc/FX, and drums, for a total of twelve possible elements. You may enable or disable each of these elements, one from each category at a time, within a framework of 4:23. Additional to the music there are a set of three buttons that invoke Dr. Magnus Pyke (?) saying "Science" (high and low), or "SBMWS". This is all neatly built into a clever graphic of a Frankensteinian laboratory with Thomas (head and shoulders) strapped to a table with wires attached to his head that lead to the control panel where you select the various musical elements. Thomas' eyes move around - watching where you click on the control buttons. When Dr. Pyke is enabled a video screen shows a short clip of him taken from the original video. It's all rather charming. The sound quality is excellent. > Oh, and has anyone checked the B-Day trace to see if Thomas got > his present yet? He has not - due to a mail snafu. He'll have a second copy on Monday next. It looks like the first copy has been lost - or pinched. Hey! Get a browser, eh , /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:39:11 -0700 From: Kathleen Presser Subject: Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time Chris, You know, I really like the idea of Open Art. We have to ask ourselves this question; is making music, literature, paintings etc. only about making a quick buck, or becoming a star in the media's eyes and producers' eyes??? As a child I took professional music and accordion lessons and used to compete at the annual music festival in August. I was very forbidden to play at any time for money. I learned to hone my musical skills and enjoy my music just for the sake of its beauty. I hope many artists put some open art out there for all of us to enjoy and be inspired by. Anyway, I've said enough. Don't want to go on a tangent. Pax Aye, Kate;-) Just remember, wherever you go, that's where you are... Chris Cracknell wrote: > In article <199910210316_MC2-89D5-F37C@compuserve.com>, you wrote: > >Alloids, > > > >I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt > >puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. > ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ > > Here's the very difference that I'm trying to stress with the concept of > "Open Art". "Open Art" is "art" not "product". "ShareArt" is a marketing > concept that might work for selling product, but "Open Art" is a way > of sharing your work freely with other artists and the world. The only > restrictions are, if you employ "Open Art" in your art, then your art > becomes "Open Art" too and the originator of the work is always > credited as such. There's no negative reciprocity as you give for what > you take. So if you were to release a song as "Open Art" and I really > liked that song, then I'm free to cover that song on my next release. > But by doing so all my songs on that CD become "Open Art" as well. If > you or anyone else, enjoys one of my songs on that CD then you are > free to cover it. > > Creating a work of "open art" is like a pebble being thrown into a pond. > It sends ripples out through the water expanding to cover an area greater > than the initial splash. > > Although there are no restrictions on making money from "Open Art", the > money is really not the primary focus of a work of "Open Art". It's > creating art to be enjoyed, employed, shared, and expanded. Undoubtedly > for a large number of artists "Open Art" will also be a poweful marketing > tool letting them sell more of their works than they would have otherwise. > Marketing aside, "Open Art" is really about the art, both the work you > create and the works that will be spawned from your creation and the > works that they in turn will spawn. It's really about getting to see > your art take on a life of its own in the world as a living, breathing, > reproducing creation. > > Like I was saying, "Open Art" won't be a concept embraced by all artists > and a great many may actually see it as a threat (much in the way > Microsoft sees "Open Source" software as a threat). I can't imagine many > mainstreme recording stars embracing "Open Art", especially those who > are tightly under the control of their record companies. Infact I think > the only way we'd ever see a big recording star release a work of "Open Art" > would be if the whole "Open Art" scene were to be seen as fashionable and > trendy, then there might be a big star or two who will see it as a way > cash in on the image and sell their records. However, I think there > will be a large number of artists who will actually find they gain a > greater artistic fulfilment when they abandon the expectation of > financual recompense for their art and instead embrace the concept of > creating art to express themselves, to share freely with the world, > and to inspire others to create. I think it comes from the moment > one realizes that in all likelyhood they will never become a "star", > in all likelyhood the royalties from their work will never enable them > to quit their dayjob, and if the amount of royalties their work will > generate is going to be so small, then why not just give your art > royalty free to the world in such a way that it will reciprocate more > art being shared royalty free. I'm still perfectly free to continue > selling my work in all the same ways I would be able to if I hadn't > released it as "Open Art". > > I know that since I was inspired with the idea of "Open Art" I've felt > much more excitement, creative energy, and motivation to create than I > have ever felt cashing a royalty cheque. I just don't think a SOCAN > cheque is going to cut it for me anymore, and after talking this week > with a lot of local working musicians I feel it's safe to say that there > are many out there who will feel the same way. > > CRACKERS > (Letting it all hang out from hell!!!) > > -- > Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan > * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * > * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * > Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:31:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine Anderson Subject: Re: Alloy: San Francisco By Blimp I have never heard a TD song in public, either; unfortunately, hearing music that I know in public places usually involves "Muzak interpretataions of..." or some such thing. ::Ugh:: - -Cay - --- Keith Stansell wrote: > > I once lived about 1/4 mile from the Goodyear blimp > hanger when it was > stationed in Houston Tx. Every weekend I would hear > it buzzing around > outside. From what I heard, the general public > could never get a ride on > it. I don't know who rode it, but it flew often > when it was in town. > > If you ever get a chance to watch it land and > take-off I recommend it. > For it to take off, the ground crew of around 6 grab > the gondola around the > edges and start bouncing it up and down. Then they > give it a big bounce and > let it go, the engines kick in and it flys away. > > I never thought of the Dolby song when I lived there > and saw the blimp. I > should have. > > Speaking of Aliens at my Buik. I was getting a > burrito at El Chipolte here > in Denver yesterday, and what should play over the > resturant music system - > My Brain is like a Sieve. I don't know if I have > ever heard that in public. > It is always nice to hear a familiar favorite in a > setting you didn't expect > to hear it in. > > -Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Clayton > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 8:30 PM > Subject: Alloy: San Francisco By Blimp > > > > > > The Goodyear blimp(*) is in town tonight, I > discovered as I drove home > > from work a short time ago. After being home for > a bit, I heard a > > buzzing sound coming from outside....which I > immediately recognized. > > > > Well, what else could I do but grab my binocs, > throw track #7 of AAMB > > on the stereo, and run outside to watch the > airship plow through the > > sky above my house and past a pale phase of the > moon to the strains of > > TMDR? > > > > I sure wish I'd get a chance to listen to that > song whilst *on board* > > a blimp, rather than just watching it sail past > me, but ya takes what > > ya gets, ya know? :) > > > > BC > > > > (*) I believe it is the airship "Eagle," being the > west-coast based > > blimp of the Goodyear fleet. > > > > --- > > Brian Clayton "I hope I can continue to > confuse and exasperate > > stemish@lns.com you for a couple more > decades." -- TMDR > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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