From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #284 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, October 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Science Remixes - Something Funky with the Vocals? ["Stephen M. Ti] Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: A lil' help... [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time [Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Science Remixes - Something Funky with the Vocals? Melissa and other Science1999 Remixers: Yes. There is a problem with the vocals playinng about 1/4 tone flat that I've noticed too at times. Usually a stop-and-restart does the reset trick. Seems the cable connecting Thomas' brain to the control panel is a bit flaky. Probably a Hosa cable inadvertently purchased from Musician's "Friend", of "Thomas Dolby Anderson" infamy. And Melissa? You mentioned your "TechnoNinny" mix, but you didn't give us the URL! grinningly yours, /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:15:49 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time Alloids, I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. I am in the habit of registering shareware according to the concept that if I like and use it, the author should be suitably rewarded. I suppose this attitude is in the minority judging from what I see on the Net, but perhaps the movement is growing. Any thoughts? Do you register your shareware? Be honest. /\/\ "Shareware. Neither share nor ware. Discuss." --- Mike "/\/\iles" Meyers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:15:47 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: TD & Foreigner... +AndyJ+, To my ear the most significantly *easily recognizable* contribition Mr Dolby made to "Foriegner 4" is the synth intro to "Waiting for a Girl Like You." However, if memory serves me, he did all the synth work on that recording and took about a month in doing so. Somewhere Thomas states that the money he was paid to do that work financed the prodution of "The Golden Age of Wireless." Foriegner. Yuck. Contrived and contrite, and neatly aimed at testosterone-poisoned individuals for the most part. my "hot-blooded" two cents, /\/\ - who thinks "Waiting..." is the best thing they ever recorded ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:50:37 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time 'evening all, >I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt >puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. I am in >the habit of registering shareware according to the concept that if I like >and use it, the author should be suitably rewarded. I suppose this >attitude is in the minority judging from what I see on the Net, but perhaps >the movement is growing. Any thoughts? Do you register your shareware? I've been reading with a lot of interest the idea of Open Art and now this extension, ShareArt (hmm, BiCapitalisation, are you /sure/ you're not really one of us Macintosh users Steph? ;) I think both ideas are really innovative, and I've filed the whole thread away for a serious read on the weekend rather than a hasty skim while guzzling that critical first coffee prior to dashing off to work. I agree with you wholeheartedly in thinking that, from my observations too, unfortunately, shareware authors don't seem to get nearly the concrete recognition for products they work very hard to offer in good faith. Like you, I either register or turf shareware I use, even freeware authors of stuff I find useful get a 'thank you' email from me if it helps make my work/play easier/better - I figure these people deserve recognition for their altruism and this is one way one person can show it. I remember back when I used to write code (and I should warn the Mac community out there that I'm about to get back into it :) that it always made my day getting even just a one-liner from someone who tried something I'd written that they thought didn't entirely suck. It's a nice analogy you've presented here Stephen, y'know, it could just fly. But then I always was an idealist! >Be honest. No other act I know. :-) Paul. (who's day started badly by almost crashing into the car that had been parked in my reserved space - blind corner, running late, slow reactions, not enough coffee, not a morning person, grrr... - but got better when I finally found the right William Orbit CD that has Crimes of The Future on it. Doesn't the guy know that when you release at least five CDs, it'd be kinda nice to NOT have them all with the same name?) This message powered by For Today off Painted Years/Netherworld Dancing Toys. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily justsomeguy@ozemail.com.au JustSomeGuy http://www.ozemail.com.au/~justsomeguy Australia For today, I remember your smile. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:50:57 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: San Francisco By Blimp I once lived about 1/4 mile from the Goodyear blimp hanger when it was stationed in Houston Tx. Every weekend I would hear it buzzing around outside. From what I heard, the general public could never get a ride on it. I don't know who rode it, but it flew often when it was in town. If you ever get a chance to watch it land and take-off I recommend it. For it to take off, the ground crew of around 6 grab the gondola around the edges and start bouncing it up and down. Then they give it a big bounce and let it go, the engines kick in and it flys away. I never thought of the Dolby song when I lived there and saw the blimp. I should have. Speaking of Aliens at my Buik. I was getting a burrito at El Chipolte here in Denver yesterday, and what should play over the resturant music system - My Brain is like a Sieve. I don't know if I have ever heard that in public. It is always nice to hear a familiar favorite in a setting you didn't expect to hear it in. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Clayton To: Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 8:30 PM Subject: Alloy: San Francisco By Blimp > > The Goodyear blimp(*) is in town tonight, I discovered as I drove home > from work a short time ago. After being home for a bit, I heard a > buzzing sound coming from outside....which I immediately recognized. > > Well, what else could I do but grab my binocs, throw track #7 of AAMB > on the stereo, and run outside to watch the airship plow through the > sky above my house and past a pale phase of the moon to the strains of > TMDR? > > I sure wish I'd get a chance to listen to that song whilst *on board* > a blimp, rather than just watching it sail past me, but ya takes what > ya gets, ya know? :) > > BC > > (*) I believe it is the airship "Eagle," being the west-coast based > blimp of the Goodyear fleet. > > --- > Brian Clayton "I hope I can continue to confuse and exasperate > stemish@lns.com you for a couple more decades." -- TMDR > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:56:40 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time I'll have you know that last year's The Flattery Earth was copied using my fully registered and paid for copy of GoldenHawk's CDRWin software thank you. I also stopped using an evaluation version of Paint Shop Pro version 4 (still works after the 30 day trial) and purchased the latest version for Bride of Aliens artwork also. So there! : ) - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen M. Tilson To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 1:15 AM Subject: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time > > Alloids, > > I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt > puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. I am in > the habit of registering shareware according to the concept that if I like > and use it, the author should be suitably rewarded. I suppose this > attitude is in the minority judging from what I see on the Net, but perhaps > the movement is growing. Any thoughts? Do you register your shareware? > Be honest. > > /\/\ > > "Shareware. Neither share nor ware. Discuss." > --- Mike "/\/\iles" Meyers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:21:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Re: Alloy: San Francisco By Blimp On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Keith Stansell wrote: > I once lived about 1/4 mile from the Goodyear blimp hanger when it was > stationed in Houston Tx. Every weekend I would hear it buzzing around > outside. From what I heard, the general public could never get a ride on > it. I don't know who rode it, but it flew often when it was in town. From what I gather, you have to be invited to ride the blimp by Goodyear (makes sense, it's their blimp, yes?) So all one needs to do is (a) get famous, (b) get on the talk show circuit, and (c) announce to the TV audience that the one thing you REALLY want to do before you die is take a ride on the Goodyear blimp. :) OH, and (d) hope the folks at Goodyear are listening. BC - --- Brian Clayton "I hope I can continue to confuse and exasperate stemish@lns.com you for a couple more decades." -- TMDR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: A lil' help... For someone who is stuck on the internet, blind and deaf, using a LYNX browser and unable to access all this beatnik madness, could somebody please tell me the jist of what all this "Science 1999" stuff is the more fortunate amoungst you are so thrilled with. Oh, and has anyone checked the B-Day trace to see if Thomas got his present yet? CRACKERS (Cheap internet access from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Freeing The World One Song At A Time In article <199910210316_MC2-89D5-F37C@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >Alloids, > >I am more prepared to accept the idea of ShareArt than open art. ShareArt >puts an onus on the end user to support the source of the product. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ Here's the very difference that I'm trying to stress with the concept of "Open Art". "Open Art" is "art" not "product". "ShareArt" is a marketing concept that might work for selling product, but "Open Art" is a way of sharing your work freely with other artists and the world. The only restrictions are, if you employ "Open Art" in your art, then your art becomes "Open Art" too and the originator of the work is always credited as such. There's no negative reciprocity as you give for what you take. So if you were to release a song as "Open Art" and I really liked that song, then I'm free to cover that song on my next release. But by doing so all my songs on that CD become "Open Art" as well. If you or anyone else, enjoys one of my songs on that CD then you are free to cover it. Creating a work of "open art" is like a pebble being thrown into a pond. It sends ripples out through the water expanding to cover an area greater than the initial splash. Although there are no restrictions on making money from "Open Art", the money is really not the primary focus of a work of "Open Art". It's creating art to be enjoyed, employed, shared, and expanded. Undoubtedly for a large number of artists "Open Art" will also be a poweful marketing tool letting them sell more of their works than they would have otherwise. Marketing aside, "Open Art" is really about the art, both the work you create and the works that will be spawned from your creation and the works that they in turn will spawn. It's really about getting to see your art take on a life of its own in the world as a living, breathing, reproducing creation. Like I was saying, "Open Art" won't be a concept embraced by all artists and a great many may actually see it as a threat (much in the way Microsoft sees "Open Source" software as a threat). I can't imagine many mainstreme recording stars embracing "Open Art", especially those who are tightly under the control of their record companies. Infact I think the only way we'd ever see a big recording star release a work of "Open Art" would be if the whole "Open Art" scene were to be seen as fashionable and trendy, then there might be a big star or two who will see it as a way cash in on the image and sell their records. However, I think there will be a large number of artists who will actually find they gain a greater artistic fulfilment when they abandon the expectation of financual recompense for their art and instead embrace the concept of creating art to express themselves, to share freely with the world, and to inspire others to create. I think it comes from the moment one realizes that in all likelyhood they will never become a "star", in all likelyhood the royalties from their work will never enable them to quit their dayjob, and if the amount of royalties their work will generate is going to be so small, then why not just give your art royalty free to the world in such a way that it will reciprocate more art being shared royalty free. I'm still perfectly free to continue selling my work in all the same ways I would be able to if I hadn't released it as "Open Art". I know that since I was inspired with the idea of "Open Art" I've felt much more excitement, creative energy, and motivation to create than I have ever felt cashing a royalty cheque. I just don't think a SOCAN cheque is going to cut it for me anymore, and after talking this week with a lot of local working musicians I feel it's safe to say that there are many out there who will feel the same way. CRACKERS (Letting it all hang out from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #284 ***************************