From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #271 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, October 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 271 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Would our Alloy Londonites please check in. [Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEAT] Re: Alloy: Would our Alloy Londonites please check in. ["Lem Bingley" ] Alloy: "12 X 12 Original Remixes" - repost ["Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Re: Alloy: Would our Alloy Londonites please check in. Thanks for your concern Crackers - it was a truly horrendous accident, but luckily for me I heard about it on the breakfast news, and it happened on the other side of town from me. No-one I know uses that piece of track, thank God. L Get your free E-mail at http://www.zdnet.co.uk/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: 12 x 12??!!! Hi all and belated congrats to those who've recently enjoyed happy events! I've given up on the pathetic record shop I had ordered 12 x 12 from. I'm now trying to decide whether to order on-line from somewhere (But I don't trust this thing!). I've found Tower Records site has a lot of Dolby available... Does anyone know the difference between 12 x 12 (10 pounds) and 12 PLUS 12 (14.49) ??? There's also a She Blinded Me / Tour de France single (7) - is this worth buying? Hyperactive for 6 quid? What's on it? Please?!! Likewise Quantum mechanic (same price)?!! Lay Your Hands/She Blinded Me (Thompson Twins + TD) ?? What is The Wall (Roger Walters) doing in there? I think I'll avoid the Premium Collection but I do want to order the Gate To The Minds Eye so I can see it at last, and whatever 12/12 is the best value... I wonder if I can order by phone :-) I wish they'd put the info I want on the darn website, any info gratefully received... Cheers, +Andy+ P.S. Robin, thanks for recent site updates - good stuff. If you want to steal my ugly pic from my site to add to the Alloy mug-shots gallery, you're welcome to it! - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:24:32 -0700 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: 12 x 12??!!! At 07:46 AM 10/6/99 , you wrote: >I've found Tower Records site has a lot of Dolby >available... > >Does anyone know the difference between 12 x 12 (10 pounds) and 12 PLUS 12 >(14.49) ??? I've spent the last couple hours and about a dozen websites trying to find a track listing for 12 plus 12, with no luck. If anyone's got one, I'm curious now too. >There's also a She Blinded Me / Tour de France single >(7) - is this worth buying? I think this is just a repackaging of 'Science', but as I don't have it, I don't know whether it's worth buying. >Hyperactive for 6 quid? What's on it? Please?!! This one's a bit trickier, as there're at least two different compilations called 'Hyperactive' which have different track listings. However, Tower UK lists the label as "Disky", which is the one I picked up. The tracks on this one are Dissidents/Hyperactive/She Blinded Me With Science (short version)/White City/Radio Silence/Airwaves (long version)/Windpower/One Of Our Submarines/Weightless/Screen Kiss/Mulu The Rain Forest/The Flat Earth/Dissidents (The Search For Truth Pt 2)/Get Out Of My Mix - Dolby's Cube (8 minute mix) >Likewise Quantum mechanic (same price)?!! I assume this is the Quantum Mechanic single from Gate To The Mind's Eye. >Lay Your Hands/She Blinded Me (Thompson Twins + TD) ?? This is probably a repackaging similar to the Tour De France above. >What is The Wall (Roger Walters) doing in there? This is the live version of The Wall from the Berlin Wall, which Thomas played a part in. (The Teacher, I believe) >I think I'll avoid the Premium Collection but I do want >to order the Gate To The Minds Eye so I can see it at >last, and whatever 12/12 is the best value... I wonder >if I can order by phone :-) > >I wish they'd put the info I want on the darn website, >any info gratefully received... Tower US has an 800 number to order from, but I didn't peruse Tower UK thoroughly enough to know whether they have something similar. I hope I was at least a little bit of help. :) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:05:19 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: "12 X 12 Original Remixes" - repost Andyj, There are no previously unpublished tracks included. Five of these tracks were not previously available on CD. See my notes below. Here are the details: 1) Europa and the Pirate Twins (Extended Version) (4:02) With the same inexpertly inserted instrumental bridge (partial beat missing in between instrumental and vocal bridge sections) as on the vinyl version. Not previously available on CD. 2) Windpower (High Power Extended Play) (5:51) With the complete shipping forecast! Not previously available on CD. 3) Flying North (High Altitude Extended Play) (5:36) 14 seconds of fade out missing in comparison to the vinyl original. Not previously available on CD. 4) She Blinded Me with Science (Extended Version) (5:09) Just in case you didn't already have a copy of this . . . Duh. But it still sounds damn good after all these years. 5) One of Our Submarines (Extended Version) (7:14) With the cool instrumental verse up front. EMI didn't see fit to print the whole title, just like in the next track. 6) Get Out of Mix (8:00) That's right - a song we've never heard before. But it does sound an awful lot like "Get Out of *My* Mix". 7) Hyperactive! (Heavy Breather sub-version) (5:05) Record exec: Tom, we want you to write something like that `Science' thingammy. You know, real quirky with lots and lots of that techno stuff you do. OK, killer? 8) Dissidents: The Search for Truth (Part 1) (7:17) One of Thomas' most creative remixes. Perhaps my favorite. Like you care or something. 9) May the Cube be with You (3D Mix) (6:49) Record exec: Tom, we want you to write something like that `Science' thingammy. You know, real quirky with lots and lots of that techno stuff you do. OK, killer? 10) Airhead (Francois Kevorkian Mix) (7:05) aka: Airhead (Extended Version), part I.) Francois' Mix Not previously available on CD. Of all the Airheads this is not the one I'd pick. I like the Def Ears Mix best. 11) Hot Sauce (Extended Mix) (7:00) aka: Hot Sauce (Extended Version) Of all the Hot Sauces this is the one I'd pick too. 12) My Brain is like a Sieve (Extended Version) (5:37) aka: My Brain is like a Sieve (Extended Mix) Well, they haven't paid very close attention to the titles in general, so I'm not surprised at the juxtapositions here and in the previous track. EMI shoulda had one of us proof it for them. Not previously available on CD. And that's what it is! It's the best bit of Dolby to come out in absolutely years. Highly recommended! Go out and buy two or three today and maybe EMI will get the idea and release a disc of b-sides and other rarities like "Urban Tribal". HAhahahahahahahahaha. As IF! 12x12 Original Remixes is definitely a great value for your Dolby Dollar/Pound/Franc/Yen/Ruble/whathaveyou. You could easily spend the same amount just to get track 1 in its original format - on pop `n scratch vinyl no less! Have fun, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:37:47 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: English/American table manners (it WAS on-topic, once!) In a message dated 10/6/99 4:43:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, slarvibarglhee@alloy99.freeserve.co.uk writes: :: The 'proper' way for we British to use a knife and fork is as follows :- The knife is held in the right hand, and kept there throughout the eating process. The fork is held in the left hand throughout the process, but with the curve of the tines upwards i.e. so the fork is the opposite of a 'scoop.' The food is held down with the fork and cut with the knife, then the food is pushed on to the fork with the flat of the knife (if you're having meat and veg, you'd perhaps spear some veg with the fork, then spear the piece of meat you'd just cut and put the whole lot in your mouth). I think this is what the interviewer is interpreting as being 'very much the Englishman.' As I understand it the American way is to cut up our food and then transfer the fork to the right hand to eat it with. :: Thank you for the detailed description, Slarv. It sounds very graceful the way you describe it (*you* should be a journalist). I do remember being shown that way when I was little, in fact, but it seems everyone in my family has their own version of how to properly deal with utensils at the table. Regarding the American version I was told that it was not correct to hold the knife in your hand unless you were actually cutting with it (therefore it has to be put down between bites) I haven't the slightest idea why! It always did seem impractical to have to keep setting it down on the upper right hand edge of the plate & switch the fork over. My father prefered the English version - which I realize now that you've described it - having been raised by his own parents that way. So I think we sort of developed a modified system. Supposedly, there is all kinds of secret utensil sign language you're supposed to use in restaurants to indicate to the server whether you'd like more coffee, or another dinner roll, or nothing at all, etc... depending on how your utensils are arranged on (or in relation to) the plate. I remember someone describing some of these 'codes' to me at one point, & then from that day on, being fearful I might accidentally tell the waitress something inaccurate with my cutlery. It's still something I wonder about in fact, especially in really nice restaurants. Of course, chopsticks are my favorite thing of all to try eating with & I always jump at the chance to see if I'm still coordinated enough to do it. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:11:31 -0700 From: Kathleen Presser Subject: Re: Alloy: English/American table manners (it WAS on-topic, once!) About utensils and restaurants, I never learned all the secret codes by how I held my fork, knife and spoon. Guess I'm a bit of a simpleton. I'd rather just tell the waiter what I want and don't want. The reason, as I understand it, that we Americans eat with our fork in the right hand is because it is different from the way the English held their utensils. I think this dates back to the U.S. revolutionary days. Why eat like the country you are breaking away from???? I eat both ways. Whichever suits my mood at mealtime. Pax Aye, Kate;-) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/99 4:43:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > slarvibarglhee@alloy99.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > :: The 'proper' way for we British to use a knife and fork is as follows :- > > The knife is held in the right hand, and kept there throughout the eating > process. > > The fork is held in the left hand throughout the process, but with the curve > of > the tines upwards i.e. so the fork is the opposite of a 'scoop.' > > The food is held down with the fork and cut with the knife, then the food is > pushed on to the fork with the flat of the knife (if you're having meat and > veg, > you'd perhaps spear some veg with the fork, then spear the piece of meat > you'd > just cut and put the whole lot in your mouth). > > I think this is what the interviewer is interpreting as being 'very much the > Englishman.' As I understand it the American way is to cut up our food and > then > transfer the fork to the right hand to eat it with. :: > > Thank you for the detailed description, Slarv. It sounds very graceful the > way you describe it (*you* should be a journalist). I do remember being shown > that way when I was little, in fact, but it seems everyone in my family has > their own version of how to properly deal with utensils at the table. > Regarding the American version I was told that it was not correct to hold the > knife in your hand unless you were actually cutting with it (therefore it has > to be put down between bites) I haven't the slightest idea why! It always did > seem impractical to have to keep setting it down on the upper right hand edge > of the plate & switch the fork over. My father prefered the English version - > which I realize now that you've described it - having been raised by his own > parents that way. So I think we sort of developed a modified system. > > Supposedly, there is all kinds of secret utensil sign language you're > supposed to use in restaurants to indicate to the server whether you'd like > more coffee, or another dinner roll, or nothing at all, etc... depending on > how your utensils are arranged on (or in relation to) the plate. I remember > someone describing some of these 'codes' to me at one point, & then from that > day on, being fearful I might accidentally tell the waitress something > inaccurate with my cutlery. It's still something I wonder about in fact, > especially in really nice restaurants. Of course, chopsticks are my favorite > thing of all to try eating with & I always jump at the chance to see if I'm > still coordinated enough to do it. > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:03:17 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Re: Alloy: English/American table manners (it WAS on-topic, once!) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you for the detailed description, Slarv. It sounds very graceful the > way you describe it (*you* should be a journalist). Thanks <& loads snipped> > > Supposedly, there is all kinds of secret utensil sign language you're > supposed to use in restaurants to indicate to the server whether you'd like > more coffee, or another dinner roll, or nothing at all, etc... depending on > how your utensils are arranged on (or in relation to) the plate. I remember > someone describing some of these 'codes' to me at one point, & then from that > day on, being fearful I might accidentally tell the waitress something > inaccurate with my cutlery. It's still something I wonder about in fact, > especially in really nice restaurants. Of course, chopsticks are my favorite > thing of all to try eating with & I always jump at the chance to see if I'm > still coordinated enough to do it. > > Robin T When it comes down to it, I suppose there are no 'right' and 'wrong' ways of using the cutlery, though it's probably not sensible to put the knife in your mouth for obvious safety reasons. It's just that customs build up and become the norm. If everyone decided it was OK to eat with their fingers, that would become acceptable, though it would cause problems with very hot food ... and most soups. There are plenty of other illogical customs that have come and gone. The Victorian requirement to cover the legs of all furniture to prevent lascivious thoughts was one that always amused me. Slarv (who is not actually old enough to have been there when the Victorians were having the vapours.) PS I never got the hang of chopsticks. I mean, how do you tell the knife chopstick from the fork chopstick? Neither of them cut or spear anything very well. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #271 ***************************