From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #232 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe [andyjmail@cheerful.com] Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe [Jeff Wasilko ] Alloy: New Member Introduction [Chris Hudec ] Re: Alloy: New Member Introduction [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe Yo... ** TDR's handwriting: Thanks Robin, well I'll believe it only if the man himself owns up to it! I couldn't quite believe that he'd write his own record labels, as you say by this time he'd already had one album out there. But the way the seemingly "TDR" was done, like a signature, made me wonder. It would be nice though! I wonder how much value it would add to the record... hehe (rubs hands together). Hey... did you see that? There were £££ Sterling symbols flashing up on my eyeballs... (I'd have said "pound signs" but that's different over in the US of A is it not? Isn't that a #?) Don't get me wrong, I'd rather keep it - it's just that my Depeche Mode friend has stuff (of theirs) he reckons is really valuable so it's nice to even things up a little... The pics are of boths sides of the same 12", Robin. It was in the same sleeve as another copy, when I bought it. The other one has a conventional label, and no Urges. Another successful day at Music and Video Exchange, that was. ** Alloy digests problem-ette: This Alta-Vista cheerful.com mail often really screws up the format of the digests - one giant word-wrap. No line breaks at all. A complete mess. It's Alta-Vista's problem, the same thing happens with another digest ;-) So I have to go to: http://www.smoe.org/lists/alloy/ to read them. That can take ages to load though. So I was just wondering if it was possible to make smoe serve up the directory listing the other way around... i.e. most recent digests first? That way I could just click on the first item without reading something else in another window while waiting for it to all load! Or perhaps it's time to throw the 1997 and 1998 entries into sub-folders? I don't really want to give you more work to do, just on my account, but I was just wondering... :-) That is all... ...and a belated HELLOooo! to all the recent new members! +AndyJ+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:59:41 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe In a message dated 8/24/99 5:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, andyjmail@cheerful.com writes: :: This Alta-Vista cheerful.com mail often really screws up the format of the digests - one giant word-wrap. No line breaks at all. A complete mess. It's Alta-Vista's problem, the same thing happens with another digest ;-) So I have to go to: http://www.smoe.org/lists/alloy/ to read them. That can take ages to load though. So I was just wondering if it was possible to make smoe serve up the directory listing the other way around... i.e. most recent digests first? That way I could just click on the first item without reading something else in another window while waiting for it to all load! Or perhaps it's time to throw the 1997 and 1998 entries into sub-folders? I don't really want to give you more work to do, just on my account, but I was just wondering... :-) :: Sorry you're having so much trouble! Unfortunately I have no control over what smoe does... this is the server maintained by Jeff W, which serves nearly 100 other lists besides Alloy. If you go to smoe's Parent Directory you can see them all listed... mainly music lists. I don't know if Jeff would consider reconfiguring the digest lists or not (or even if it's possible - something on that scale is way beyond my realm of computer experience!) But, I could certainly inquire about the situation. Maybe he has some ideas about how to remedy the problem on your end too, via your trouble with Alta Vista, if reconfiguring smoe isn't an option. Another thing I can think of is... I assume you are getting your regular email okay, and not all run together in the same line (I hope!) What I could do is change your subscription slightly so that you can still post here as usual, but not have the digests sent to you from the list. I can then slip you a copy of my Alloy digest when I receive it. Maybe this would alleviate the problem! Though, I'm not sure what it would do if the digest is a large one, and is in the form of an attached file. I could just open it before I send it (if you don't mind getting one really huge email..!) This is probably a rather unorthodox and low-tech way of solving the problem but I'd be happy to try it if you like. Is anyone else here having the same sort of problem with their digests, or viewing the smoe archives? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:14:02 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 08:59:41AM -0400, RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/24/99 5:14:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > andyjmail@cheerful.com writes: > > :: This Alta-Vista cheerful.com mail often really screws up > the format of the digests - one giant word-wrap. No line breaks at all. A > complete mess. It's Alta-Vista's > problem, the same thing happens with another digest ;-) If I could get a screen-shot or a better description of what's happening, I know some folks at iname.com (who run the mail for Altavista). > So I have to go to: > http://www.smoe.org/lists/alloy/ > to read them. That can take ages to load though. So I was just wondering if > it was possible to make smoe > serve up the directory listing the other way around... > i.e. most recent digests first? That way I could just click on the first > item without reading something else > in another window while waiting for it to all load! > Or perhaps it's time to throw the 1997 and 1998 entries > into sub-folders? I've tossed the older archives into subfolders. Also, the following URL will display the directory in reverse sorted order: http://www.smoe.org/lists/alloy/?N=R - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:08:50 -0400 From: Chris Hudec Subject: Alloy: New Member Introduction Hi there everyone. I've lurked around here for a week, and decided it was time to post my intro. I understand it's custom to tell when we first heard Mr. Dolby's work. Well, it must have been in the early 80's for me. I don't remember a particular song, but a friend of mine had the second release of "The Golden Age of Wireless" on tape. I borrowed it for a while and fell in love with it. When I got around to purchasing the CD, I was dissappointed in release 3. I liked the mixes and the songs on the earlier release better. I remember being really excited when I found the "Blinded By Science" EP and the 12" single of "I Scare Myself" (with "Puppet Theatre" as a B side). I am a Mastering Engineer, and ended up taking the mixes I liked from the tape, EP, 12" and CD and compiling my own version of "The Golden Age of Wireless". I purchased the "Gate to the Minds Eye" video only because Mr. Dolby wrote the music, and the store didn't have the soundtrack on CD. (It is pretty good in it's own right, btw.) When "Astronauts and Heretics" came out, I listened to it for 6 weeks straight. I guess I listend to it about 6x/day for the first two weeks, 4x/day for the second two weeks and 2x/day for the last two weeks. I have never gotten sick of it. I gave the CD away as gifts for birthdays and Christmas. I was aghast about a month ago when I saw my beloved album in the "bargin bin" at Wal-Mart. My favorite audiophile store (Live Wire Audio) uses "Aliens Ate My Buick" as a demo CD. I don't have any singles or EPs other than the ones mentioned above. I find it frustrating that I havn't heard all of Mr. Dolby's output. At least it's not as bad as the Icicle Works catalogue. (You could probably put together 2 CDs of their B sides and live cuts.) That's about it for me. ttyl Chris Hudec Personal Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/chris.hudec/index.htm Business Homepage: http://www.digitalsunspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:22:28 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: New Member Introduction In a message dated 8/24/99 11:09:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chris.hudec@sympatico.ca writes: :: Personal Homepage: http://www3.sympatico.ca/chris.hudec/index.htm Business Homepage: http://www.digitalsunspot.com :: welcome Chris :) !! Thanks for your intro. I visited your professional page (where i will revisit & learn all about digital Mastering.. something I know nothing about!) and your personal page (I love your bears, but I couldn't get any of your pictures to come up. I really want to see the methane collection equipment you describe!) I have a real need to learn about electronic & computer-oriented music. It's always bothered me a lot that in music education, there is a sort of elitism being built into the system more and more. Those who can't afford to have instruments can't pursue music as a career choice (this happened to me with string bass, where the most basic, decent instrument starts at several thousand dollars). In instrument making, I naturally aspire toward making the finest instrument I can... but then having to price it in the several thousand dollar range makes my skin crawl because I know it leaves so many potential musicians out of the running, having good things be so expensive! The finest of the fine instruments are certainly worth the work that went into their creation and maintenance.. but very few people can drop a quarter of a million for one violin... Hearing so much about Dolby's innovations in the field of electronic/computer based music obviously has been opening my mind a lot to extremely high quality alternatives. Yesterday Dave and I visited a music shop where I saw electric basses for about $200... and 'upright' electric basses, with bow, stand and case, for around $2,000 (expensive, but still manageable - and upgradable!) All of this is really lighting a fire under me to learn everything I can about electronics & approach musical instrument making from an entirely different perspective than I ever have before. As anyone here can tell you, I'm not the most electronically or computer oriented person on this planet... so this is a huge step for me. Far greater even than my stalled project of getting a transducer for my ultra cheap cello, which offers no response & just sort of moans pathetically under the bow... I know the elitism will still be in the classical music world for generations to come... but at least if people are given a fighting chance, to perfect their technique on a high quality instrument they can afford & which gives a good response, maybe they'll be able to shoot for those scholarships and instrument grants they might not have qualified for otherwise. Through my archival preservation work at the university, I can take classes for a very discounted rate - and the music department offers excellent coursework in MIDI. I think this would be a good first step toward learning how electronics work in the context of music. I'm sure (if you don't mind) I'll have a lot of questions for you and our other experts once I start trying to figure out my homework! Anyway... almost everyone here has heard me tell of my first Dolby experience... but I just remembered something new. The cat I scared when I fell out of that chair in my friend's living room, in my fit of temporary paralysis upon seeing/hearing Thomas for the very first time, was named Toshiba.. and he loved Bonkers cat treats (which was the only way I could win back his friendship after that :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:05:28 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: TDR "my own writing" & smoe In a message dated 8/24/99 9:30:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeffw@smoe.org writes: :: I've tossed the older archives into subfolders. Also, the following URL will display the directory in reverse sorted order: http://www.smoe.org/lists/alloy/?N=R :: Thank you Jeff :) Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #232 ***************************