From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #219 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, August 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: I'm guilty too [Chris Cracknell ] Alloy: Thomas Doby in the news.. [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Thomas Doby in the news.. [WeaselBoy ] Re: Alloy: "12 X 12 Original Remixes" [TBlagg@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Unsubscription & Interruption [DAbbitt32@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: labelling OT topics (ie, someone else's family reunion!) [RThu] Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ ["Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Re: I'm guilty too No problemo, consider the message forwarded. Wow, I'm certainly flattered that everyone decided not to ignore me until I stop being a prick. ;) CRACKERS (Forwarded message from hell!!!!!!!!!) On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Mary A. Brown wrote: Dear kind and generous people, I would have written this sooner but like Paul, I've been losing sleep over this situation and felt I could write it better after some rest. I had the opportunity to make an awful problem better and instead I childishly (yep, you were entirely correct there, Chuck) chose to make it worse. I was rude and selfish and allowed my emotions to get the better of me (even scientists have to cut loose sometimes ;-) and I am extremely sorry. I feel very fortunate that you are patient people and are willing to forgive mistakes. I completely agree with the Cracknell Accord and ask you, Crackers, as it would seem fitting for you to do so, to forward this message to the folks on Alloy. I would feel uncomfortable rejoining immediately after causing such strife but I do want to apologize to all involved. Thank you all for your attention and tolerance. Mary - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:27:04 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Thomas Doby in the news.. MTV S-Track is First Soundtrack Created for a Web Site; EPMD's DJ Scratch, Dame Grease and others to contribute original music NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--August 9, 1999--When music fans log on to MTV.com, it'll be music to their ears. Starting today, MTV.com launches MTV S-Track, the first music soundtrack developed for a Web site. MTV S-Track plays a different song for each section of the Web site using technology designed exclusively for MTV.com by Beatnik, Inc. "We see MTV.com and all of our music properties as venues for artists to test the boundaries of the Web," said Fred Seibert, president of MTV Networks Online. "This is one example of how we are working with artists to create an unforgettable online experience for music fans. We're working with some of the best known talent in the business to create original music for the MTV S-Track." DJ Scratch, well know for his work with EPMD and Busta Rhymes, has just completed tracks for the new Jay-Z album and is slated to begin working on the new Michael Jackson album. "I'm excited about working on the MTV S-Track project," said DJ Scratch. "It will help people understand and learn about the art of hip-hop production." MTV S-Track is the inaugural production of the MTV Networks Online Creative Labs, which is dedicated to experimenting with new technologies and developing new content. The Creative Labs tapped into interactive audio technology created by Thomas Dolby Robertson's company Beatnik Inc. "When music fans come to MTV.com, they expect to hear music," said Allie Eberhardt, creative director, the MTV Networks Online Creative Labs. "Thanks to the Beatnik technology, there is finally a product that offers the look, feel and sound that matches the expectations of MTV.com fans." Thomas "She Blinded Me With Science" Dolby Robertson is an MTV alumnus who helped define the music video landscape in the early '80s and is now breaking new ground on the Web. "By mixing the Beatnik technology with original music, MTV.com is exemplifying the way music should be experienced interactively on the Web," said Thomas Dolby Robertson, founder and Chief Beatnik of Beatnik, Inc. "MTV.com fans can choose from a personal play list and then imitate their favorite DJs by varying the sounds, instrumentation, tempo and key." Other artists who have signed on to produce an MTV S-Track include Dame Grease, producer of DMX breakthrough hit "Get At Me Dog, and Juxtapose," a collaborative effort with trip-hop pioneer Tricky and DJ Muggs from Cypress Hill. Underground hip-hop producer Shawn J. Period, who just completed a remix for the Beastie Boys, and Arabian Knight, who produced the first single off Genius of Wu-Tang Clan's new full-length Beneath the Surface, "Breaker, Breaker" are also creating original music for the MTV S-Track. MTV S-Track offers a variety of musical genres including electronica, hip-hop, ambient, and pop. About MTV.com MTV.com is one of the most popular music and entertainment sites on the Web and a cornerstone of the MTV Networks Online portfolio. MTV.com continually breaks new ground on the Web by experimenting with new technologies and creating cross-programming opportunities with MTV. Music fans visit MTV.com to learn about and listen to their favorite new music, watch streaming videos, and participate in MTV-only cybercasts and chats with their favorite MTV stars. MTV.com fans can also keep their finger on the pulse of the music business with the award-winning MTV News, and RealVideo clips of top stories. Yahoo! Internet Life recently named MTV.com the Internet's "Best Music News Site." About MTV Networks Online MTV Networks Online, a unit of Viacom (AMEX: VIA, VIAB), is a portfolio of leading Internet properties built to address every interest of today's music fan and Internet-savvy kid. The Music division of MTV Networks Online features some of the best-known online music properties including MTV.com, VH1.com, Imagine Radio and SonicNet. The Kids division features Nick.com, the number one online destination for kids, complemented by NickJr.com, Nick-at-Nite.com, Teacher.Nick.com, Gas.Nick.com, Noggin and RedRocket. MTV Networks Online is headquartered in New York with offices in San Mateo, CA and Boston. About Beatnik From its headquarters in Silicon Valley, Beatnik, Inc. delivers interactive audio software technology and musical content via the Web. The Beatnik Audio Engine has been licensed to an expanding family of strategic partners, including Microsoft/WebTV, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Oracle/NCI, Intel, NetObjects, Macromedia, and Be, Inc. Its Rich Music Format (RMF) is a platform-independent standard for music and audio on the Internet. By coupling expert engineering skills with an expanded catalogue of musical content, Beatnik, Inc. is dedicated to realizing new possibilities for interactive music and audio within multimedia and on the Internet. Beatnik, Inc. (formerly Headspace, Inc.) was incorporated in 1996 with a team of software innovators and world-renowned visionary, musician and composer Thomas Dolby Robertson. CONTACT: Mark Pasetsky Lauren Hackett MTV Networks Online Middleberg + Associates 212.846.7711 212.699.2521 mark.pasetsky@mtvmail.com lauren@middleberg.com Kristy Lepley-Hollis Michelle Andersen Beatnik, Inc. Fleishman Hillard 650.295.2328 415.356.1032 kristy@beatnik.com andersem@fleishman.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: WeaselBoy Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas Doby in the news.. On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > MTV S-Track is First Soundtrack Created for a Web Site; EPMD's DJ Scratch, > Dame Grease and others to contribute original music > i knew we were talking to Beatnik -- it's still weird to me that i work for MTV Online after growing up with MTV. Yeah, I could have told you all about this but I figured nobody wanted to know our business deals. Besides, aren't things like this supposed to be secret until the press release? I have been hoping that Mr. Dolby himself would visit our offices here in San Mateo so I could reveal that I belong to this list to him, but I have a feeling it would be disconcerting to have that happen... Darren (who actually works for Nickelodeon but the MTV people own us and they are only six cubicles over...) ====================================================================== Darren Mckeeman | "The eagle may soar, but the weasel never weasel@gothic.net | gets sucked into a jet engine." http://www.gothic.net| ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:41:21 EDT From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: "12 X 12 Original Remixes" Thanks for this Miles. Most appreciated......I'll be down my local HMV before they know what's hit them. God help them if they can't get hold of it though!!!!! Trevor.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:42:25 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Unsubscription & Interruption In a message dated 8/9/99 5:45:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, lazlo@studio-nibble.com writes: << But I think I have a valid question you haven't addressed: if people who don't like the Dolby-to-personal ratio of this list shouldn't be here in the first place, *where should they be*? Is there someplace online where people can discuss Thomas Dolby without being made to feel like they've stumbled into someone else's family reunion? >> Lazlo - It's a valid question, one which I don't have the answer for. If you're one of those "people" you mention above, I guess we look at this list differently, whereas I think personal and off-topic posts are healthy and only add to the charm of this list. What started as something purely Dolby evolved into something much more - it's a natural evolution - a band of people, joined together by a single common interest, who, over time, formed a strong communal bond through continual (though, in the case of lurkers such as myself, only occassional) communication with one another over the course of (for most of us) many years. We all love to talk about Thomas and his work. My point is, if a person doesn't want to be, or isn't interested in being part of something bigger than that, perhaps this isn't the place for him/her. - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:01:19 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ In a message dated 8/9/99 1:38:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, andyjmail@cheerful.com writes: :: also someone has just started a new mailing list for thomas dolby at: www.onelist.com :: Another list for Thomas - very cool!! I've just joined. Let's show them our support (and let them know they're not alone on this Flat Earth.. :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:24:04 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: labelling OT topics (ie, someone else's family reunion!) In a message dated 8/9/99 5:45:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, lazlo@studio-nibble.com writes: :: But I think I have a valid question you haven't addressed: if people who don't like the Dolby-to-personal ratio of this list shouldn't be here in the first place, *where should they be*? Is there someplace online where people can discuss Thomas Dolby without being made to feel like they've stumbled into someone else's family reunion? :: It's definitely a valid question. I know there are many people who subscribe for news & updates about Thomas (which is perfectly fine!) and aren't interested in personal banter. This is why, in my opinion, OT labels on posts are so important... people can pick out the things they want to read & avoid others... and for the rest of us, we can read all the posts whether OT or not. It would work out to be a fair solution for everyone. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:39:23 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ > Another list for Thomas - very cool!! I've just joined. Let's > show them our support (and let them know they're not alone on > this Flat Earth.. :) > > Robin T That's so ironic! So did I, earlier this morning. Sheesh, you're just not gonna cut me any slack, are you? (I'm kidding) Between us, there are only two or three people on the pulp_culture list. After reviewing their digests I joined to suggest they join us here (which I haven't yet done), but now that you're there, Robin, would you do it as the official envoy of Alloy? /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:39:17 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: The Bronx Zoo now (re)airing on cable Brian informs us: > A little bird pointed me toward the cable channel TVLand (a > spinoff channel from Nickleodeon) which is now airing reruns of > "The Bronx Zoo," starring a certain young actress, and featuring > a theme written by her pop star husband... > > Check your local cable listings, blahblah, etc, etc... It's on > Mon-Fri 12pm Pacific, 3pm Eastern. I guess most of us working > stiffs will have to set a tape for it. > > BC I went to www.tvland.com but didn't find The Bronx Zoo in their weekly schedule. Maybe it was a one time thing? Stay tuned. > and featuring a theme written by her pop star husband... This is unconfirmed, and after listening to it the other day I would have to disagree. Additionally, credit is given to another. Of course, if I had Thomas' talent and CV, I would also use a nomiker for ownership of that miserable bit of TV-show muzak . . . /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:39:20 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: One World (was: Unsubscription & Interruption) Lazlo continues in response to David: >> While, as a community, we all share one common thread, I'd like >> to think we're not so single-minded that we shouldn't be expected >> to go off-topic. > > You give an impassioned defense of the way this list works, which > you are perfectly entitled to do. But I think I have a valid > question you haven't addressed: if people who don't like the > Dolby-to-personal ratio of this list shouldn't be here in the > first place, *where should they be*? Is there someplace online > where people can discuss Thomas Dolby without being made to feel > like they've stumbled into someone else's family reunion? Right. If I may, your original question was: > So where do you suggest people go if they're interested in a > list that's 80% discussion of Thomas Dolby and 20% discussion of > everyone's personal life instead of the other way 'round? (I took this to be a rhetorical question, but since you are sincere in this I'll also give you a nibble. ) To the best of my knowledge? There is no such other place. It's one world for people of our ilk, and here we are. One just learns to filter out that which doesn't appeal, yes? Occasionally there are threads which interest us all. Thanks for doing what you do, Lazlo! /\/\iles PS For those of you wondering at that last - Lazlo Nibble owns and maintains a large and relentlessly researched website dedicated to cataloging discographies for various artists, Thomas Dolby among them. If you haven't already been the recipient of this wealth of information, please go there and marvel! Lazlo, maybe this would be a good time for you to step forward and tell us about what you do and how it all got started. I know I'd like to hear about it . . . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:49:04 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Ms. Sakamoto's brief appearance Amid all the recent traffic I neglected to mention that Ms. Sakamoto made a brief appearance in the Alloy rolls, but alas we are too late to greet her as she has already departed. However, I recall some of the Alloy boys were leering aft.. - I mean inquiring after her address, and it remains . /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:56:48 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ In a message dated 8/9/99 6:41:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com writes: :: After reviewing their digests I joined to suggest they join us here (which I haven't yet done), but now that you're there, Robin, would you do it as the official envoy of Alloy? :: I've already posted & invited people to read our FAQ, and I hope to be a regular contributor there... I love that there's another group of fans on OneList (a lot of people browse there & more of Thomas' fans will be able to find each other thanks to their efforts!) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:56:22 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Fwd: _thomas_dolby_ Robin writes: > I've already posted & invited people to read our FAQ, and I hope > to be a regular contributor there... I love that there's another > group of fans on OneList (a lot of people browse there & more of > Thomas' fans will be able to find each other thanks to their > efforts!) Good job. Thanks. /\/\ ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #219 ***************************