From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #213 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, August 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: This has got me worried! ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me worried!) [Paul Bai] RE: Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me worried !) ["Ul] RE: Alloy: Robin's TMDR page ["Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: Alloy: This has got me worried! Wait a minute! Old pals leaving Alloy? What the hell is going on?!!! Have I missed something? Will somebody tell me what on earth has happened that is so bad that our oldest and dearest friends are leaving the list, and leaving cracks in alloy that aren't possible to repair? I really have no idea what is going on and who is involved, but whatever it is, isn't it possible for us all to hold together and make up? I can assume that whatever has been happening has been happening off list seeing that I haven't seen a much that could have caused this here,...(perhaps that's the best way if there are differences of opinion,) but now I'm afraid that Alloy will fall apart. I certainly wouldn't want to carry on without ALL of my dear friends being here! So what I'm trying to say is,...don't do this! Alloy wouldn't be alloy without regulars & lurkers alike; we need everyone to stay with us, and after 3 or 4 years, dealing with all kinds of external disruptive forces, etc., I can't believe that anything is so bad that it would come in the way of us all continuing,...together. Please! If any of you are upset, stand back for a while & think it over before you make any decisions! I'm panicking here! Confused, shocked & worried, Lissu p.s. If I can help anyone or anything, just e-mail me at radiogirl@hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:17:53 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Baffled, I am. (Totally OT) Hi Slarv! So sorry to hear about your mailing woes,....I have to say that I too am a big fan of Netscape messaging,...why don't you give it a try? Otherwise, if you like, I can pick Max' brains in case he has a fresh viewpoint, as he spent a lot of last year configuring mail & mail servers (poor bu**er!!) The other thing is that I find having a web based e-mail box is a "do-able" alternative & is less messing about,...I like using hotmail because I can check my mail from anywhere that has a web connection, and they're not as slow as you think,...I use Hotmail (MS, but fairly okay) and I've heard that Hush mail is good (very good encription at least.) Good luck! Lissu :-) (p.s. I am jealous of everyone in the UK & France,...I'm going to miss the eclipse DAMMIT!!!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Slarvibarglhee [SMTP:Slarvibarglhee@alloy99.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:53 PM > To: 'alloy@smoe.org' > Subject: Alloy: Baffled, I am. (Totally OT) > > > Why isn't life more simple than it is? Or rather, why isn't MS Messaging > more simple than it is? > > I've just heard that 'The Department' will not pay for my e-mail account > when it comes up for renewal, so I thought I'd set myself up with an > account with one of the free ISPs. We've recently set up a couple of > accounts with Freeserve for office use, so I thought I'd do one for myself > as well. > > First I set up the account and then I tried to configure my e-mail > software (Eudora) to work with the new account, but no matter how I set it > up, it consistently refused to connect to my mail server. > > I could have opted for the full automatic setup, with Windows Explorer 5 > and Outlook, but it needs about 60 mb to install, and I'm down to my last > 50 mb on my aging PC. So, I just installed Windows Messaging as a > temporary measure until a beefier PC is available for loan from the office > (I thought I was installing Outlook, but it seems this bit of it is just > the messaging) which is only supposed to need .6mb, or was it 6mb?? > Either way, I could install it without running out of disk space. > > It installed without too much pain, but I am now experiencing operational > difficulties. I set up all my mail aliases from my old address book, but > this damn software consistently refuses to deliver anything I send with > just an alias, whereas if I use the full address, it seems to deliver them > quite happily. > > I've even set up a new profile for myself, thinking that maybe it didn't > like the addresses because I hadn't created one, but it still merrily says > "The following recipient(s) could not be reached: 'Slarv' on 02/08/99 > 19:54:01. No transport provider was available for delivery to this > recipient.' unless I use the full address. > > ('Slarv' is the alias I've set up for myseld BTW.) > > So, if anyone out there on Alloy knows where I'm going wrong, I'd be only > too pleased to hear from you .... assuming that this message gets to > Alloy, of course. > > TTFN > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:42:37 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: RE: Alloy: VARIOUS Hi Mark! Oh,...dammit,..you were probably there when we were! Nevermind! Still, look us up next time, would be great to have a Provence alloy meet!! Take care on your travels! Lissu .-) > -----Original Message----- > From: CJMark@aol.com [SMTP:CJMark@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 3:13 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: RE: Alloy: VARIOUS > > > Dear Lissu.. > > Cannes... I was just there for a convention in late June! Sorry to have > missed you.. but next year I'll probably attend again.. so I'll be ready > for > a meet there! > > Ciao for now.. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:54:06 +1000 From: Paul Baily Subject: Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me worried!) Hi y'all, And on the eighth day of the eighth month (AEST), the lovely Lissu did spake thus: >Wait a minute! Old pals leaving Alloy? What the hell is going on?!!! Have I >missed something? It's okay Lissu, though it's disconcerting to have a regular of Mary's standing leave, I think it's important to remember that we all need to take a breather every now and then. It doesn't mean that Mary won't ever come back, but it also doesn't mean we won't miss her dearly. That said, though she's maintaining Radio Silence I suspect that she'll be keeping her ear to the 'radio' anyway since I see that Stephen remains subscribed; mi email e su email and all that ;-) Yes, Stephen, please take that as a not-so-subtle hint/request if you would be so kind. To Mary, I'm sorry to see you leave, sweet one, temporarily I hope, but - and I actually mean this for many of you - know that here you have people who wish you well. Not just those of us who talk with, and get to know you but also those of us who say nary a word though still think of you fondly. Your words and insight do brighten days, more than you know and for more people than you might guess. Know that even though you may never hear from them, you may just make someone smile for a moment one day on some part of the planet when you write to the list. That's kinda rewarding don't you think? To all of you I'd like to say this, not just from the point of view of JustSomeGuy(tm) who created Alloy, but as a normal Alloy person (yes, embarrassing SOCOG marching band incidents aside, Australians can be normal people too...) Alloy, like any comfortable place we go to relax and be ourselves, be it a quiet, breezy park, a crowded beach, a local bar, or your favourite coffee shop, is always changing. That doesn't mean it won't continue to flourish. How many of you see /exactly/ the same friends and acquaintances you had 5 or 10 or even 1 year ago? One? Three? Who- aw c'mon Slarv, Keith, Crackers, you're just putting your hand up to see what I'll say. :-) The point I'm trying to make here is that people will come and go from our day-to-day lives, as they will from Alloy. That doesn't mean those people are any less dear to us nearer or further away. Thoughts and feelings are instant and couldn't care less about such mundane things as physical distance or being out of day to day contact. That you don't talk with someone doesn't mean you're not thinking of them, or they of you. Let me get back to my point, and my analogy. Let's say that Alloy could be compared to a bunch of very good friends you've known for ages (a staggeringly close analogy for some of us!) - it's a fact of life that friends will sometimes move away for a while, or have tiffs every now and then. When this happens, the distance can actually be good for both. You both get the chance to truly appreciate the other because you're without that person. Arguments that seemed so imperative at the time become petty, even irrelevant when put in perspective. It's often even better when you see or talk with that person again. Things brings me to one thing I want to ask each and every single one of you to do RIGHT NOW if practical, if not now, then as soon as possible. This is what I'll call a group Alloy therapy/growth (fx:groan!) session. Stop what you're doing right now...no no I mean AFTER you've read this bit, silly, (I thought I was the only dumb blonde around here :-) and grab your favourite Dolby CD or tape and start listening to your all-time favourite track. I'm going to pick I Love You Goodbye. Now start playing the track, close your eyes and listen. Is that a smile I see creeping on to your face? So far so good. Now, while you're listening to the track, I want you to start to think about something very important, and it's this: No matter where you are, no matter what kind of life you live, what kind of culture you love, or what kind of regrets or crises or joys you're going through right now, know that there are at the very least 79 other people on this planet who will understand at least a part of you, who wish you well, and with whom you share a subtle but fundamental link in common music interests. Importantly, that musical influence is just the beginning. I know I've said it before, but one of the things I found most profoundly warming and rewarding when I started Alloy was not only that there were all these other people who had impeccable music taste [ ;-) ] but many of us became friends. Very good friends in some cases. Would I have ever had the privilege of getting to know many of you without this list? No. Even if we lived in the same city we may never have met. Though I may never see your eyes, your smile, or hear your voice or you mine, I feel fortunate that even so, I know you as a friend and that you might consider me and other Alloy people so too. If you've timed your reading right and you're listening to ILYGB, go on, mouth the words. There is a spirit here that won't be broken. Now, to tonight/tomorrow's exercise. Pick a location you know an Alloy person is at. Tonight look up the time difference and even a map or web pages with photos of the city if you can. On your way to work/school/uni/the local store tomorrow - or even when you're having that critical first cup of coffee/tea in the morning, stop for a moment and imagine what time it is at that location and think about what that person might be doing at the time. Now ponder the possibility that someone on the other side of the planet is also doing the same. Why am I personalising this? You don't really need me to explain that do you? stay well, Paul. [This message powered by "Video Killed The Radio Star"/The Presidents of the USA off The Wedding Singer Soundtrack.] P.S. Lissu, did you get my other message sent 17/6? Email or call me sometime eh? ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au JustSomeGuy http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb Brisbane tel: +61-7-3857-8048/+61-413-120-867 Australia we can't rewind we've gone too far ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:00:51 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me worried !) Hi Paul et all,.. Sorry I panicked,...(well, I'm still worried) if someone like Europa feels they have to leave! Sorry! I respect anyone's desire to do so, but I'm just really upset if someone feels like they have to leave because of something we've said or done! Paul, your words were very sweet,..I for one want to take them to heart,...(what's the weather like down under?!!) :-) I'll be mailing you shortly,... Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Baily [SMTP:paulb@thehub.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 12:54 PM > To: Alloy > Cc: 'Mary A. Brown' > Subject: Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me > worried!) > > > Hi y'all, > > And on the eighth day of the eighth month (AEST), the lovely Lissu did > spake thus: > > >Wait a minute! Old pals leaving Alloy? What the hell is going on?!!! Have > I > >missed something? > > It's okay Lissu, though it's disconcerting to have a regular of Mary's > standing leave, I think it's important to remember that we all need to > take a breather every now and then. It doesn't mean that Mary won't ever > come back, but it also doesn't mean we won't miss her dearly. > > That said, though she's maintaining Radio Silence I > suspect that she'll be keeping her ear to the 'radio' anyway since I see > that Stephen remains subscribed; mi email e su email and all that ;-) > > Yes, Stephen, please take that as a not-so-subtle hint/request if you > would be so kind. > > To Mary, I'm sorry to see you leave, sweet one, temporarily I hope, but - > and I actually mean this for many of you - know that here you have people > who wish you well. Not just those of us who talk with, and get to know > you but also those of us who say nary a word though still think of you > fondly. Your words and insight do brighten days, more than you know and > for more people than you might guess. Know that even though you may never > hear from them, you may just make someone smile for a moment one day on > some part of the planet when you write to the list. That's kinda > rewarding don't you think? > > To all of you I'd like to say this, not just from the point of view of > JustSomeGuy(tm) who created Alloy, but as a normal Alloy person (yes, > embarrassing SOCOG marching band incidents aside, Australians can be > normal people too...) > > Alloy, like any comfortable place we go to relax and be ourselves, be it > a quiet, breezy park, a crowded beach, a local bar, or your favourite > coffee shop, is always changing. That doesn't mean it won't continue to > flourish. How many of you see /exactly/ the same friends and > acquaintances you had 5 or 10 or even 1 year ago? One? Three? Who- aw > c'mon Slarv, Keith, Crackers, you're just putting your hand up to see > what I'll say. :-) > > The point I'm trying to make here is that people will come and go from > our day-to-day lives, as they will from Alloy. That doesn't mean those > people are any less dear to us nearer or further away. Thoughts and > feelings are instant and couldn't care less about such mundane things as > physical distance or being out of day to day contact. That you don't talk > with someone doesn't mean you're not thinking of them, or they of you. > > Let me get back to my point, and my analogy. Let's say that Alloy could > be compared to a bunch of very good friends you've known for ages (a > staggeringly close analogy for some of us!) - it's a fact of life that > friends will sometimes move away for a while, or have tiffs every now and > then. When this happens, the distance can actually be good for both. You > both get the chance to truly appreciate the other because you're without > that person. Arguments that seemed so imperative at the time become > petty, even irrelevant when put in perspective. It's often even better > when you see or talk with that person again. > > Things brings me to one thing I want to ask each and every single one of > you to do RIGHT NOW if practical, if not now, then as soon as possible. > This is what I'll call a group Alloy therapy/growth (fx:groan!) session. > > Stop what you're doing right now...no no I mean AFTER you've read this > bit, silly, (I thought I was the only dumb blonde around here :-) and > grab your favourite Dolby CD or tape and start listening to your all-time > favourite track. I'm going to pick I Love You Goodbye. Now start playing > the track, close your eyes and listen. Is that a smile I see creeping on > to your face? So far so good. Now, while you're listening to the track, I > want you to start to think about something very important, and it's this: > > No matter where you are, no matter what kind of life you live, what kind > of culture you love, or what kind of regrets or crises or joys you're > going through right now, know that there are at the very least 79 other > people on this planet who will understand at least a part of you, who > wish you well, and with whom you share a subtle but fundamental link in > common music interests. Importantly, that musical influence is just the > beginning. I know I've said it before, but one of the things I found most > profoundly warming and rewarding when I started Alloy was not only that > there were all these other people who had impeccable music taste [ ;-) ] > but many of us became friends. Very good friends in some cases. Would I > have ever had the privilege of getting to know many of you without this > list? No. Even if we lived in the same city we may never have met. Though > I may never see your eyes, your smile, or hear your voice or you mine, I > feel fortunate that even so, I know you as a friend and that you might > consider me and other Alloy people so too. > > If you've timed your reading right and you're listening to ILYGB, go on, > mouth the words. > > There is a spirit here that won't be broken. > > Now, to tonight/tomorrow's exercise. Pick a location you know an Alloy > person is at. Tonight look up the time difference and even a map or web > pages with photos of the city if you can. On your way to > work/school/uni/the local store tomorrow - or even when you're having > that critical first cup of coffee/tea in the morning, stop for a moment > and imagine what time it is at that location and think about what that > person might be doing at the time. Now ponder the possibility that > someone on the other side of the planet is also doing the same. > > Why am I personalising this? You don't really need me to explain that do > you? > > stay well, > > Paul. > [This message powered by "Video Killed The Radio Star"/The Presidents of > the USA off The Wedding Singer Soundtrack.] > > P.S. Lissu, did you get my other message sent 17/6? Email or call me > sometime eh? > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Paul Baily paulb@thehub.com.au > JustSomeGuy http://www.thehub.com.au/~paulb > Brisbane tel: +61-7-3857-8048/+61-413-120-867 > Australia we can't rewind we've gone too far ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:52:39 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Robin's TMDR page Hi JAMAC! No, it didn't spoil anything,...love the picture thoŽ :-) It's nice to know that my hubby & I aren't the only hopeless romantics on the planet! All the best for your future together! Lissu :-) P.S. Still love your track from TFE trilogy,...great voice! > -----Original Message----- > > Oh, and thank you everyone for your wonderful comments on the page. And > Lissu, sorry, but I moved that picture and incorporated it in our 'family > logo' shot. I hope I didn't ruin any effect that the simple picture had > by itself. Any suggestions? > ___________ > JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) > www.dennisa.com - Nutrition/Income Opportunities > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams" - > Eleanor Roosevelt > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:21:16 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Beatnik's site In a message dated 8/3/99 1:29:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Melissa waxed: << Burkittsville is a scant 40 miles from me, and Montgomery College is 5 miles straight up the main drag from my apartment. >> Just saw Blair Witch last Sunday with my steady, and we enjoyed it. I knew the premise already, and that it's a mocumentary rather than an actual documentary, but that doesn't make the film any less creepy. My girlfriend was so terrified by the ending that she actually had to sleep with the bathroom light on! Question for you Melissa - Being that you live so close to where the actual film was to have taken place, is the "Blair Witch" and the hauntings surrounding those woods actual urban legend? My girlfriend and I were debating as to whether or not the back-story the "documentary" was researching was an actual urban myth or something made up by the writer/director. - -Dabbitt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:27:16 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: This has got me worried! Reverend! I'm shocked and disturbed by the recent (or immenent?) departure of Mary. What's up all? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: andyjmail@cheerful.com Subject: Alloy: [OT] just had to share this... Hi all, Sorry, having just written another web-page, I thought I'd share it with you. Imagine being so ****ed off with your SBDead! soundcard that you resort to the following... http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/8142/stoopid/sbdead.html Yes, my PC is STILL not ready to take home :-( Toodly-pip +Andy+ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:37:13 EDT From: DAbbitt32@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: ...that won't be broken (was: This has got me worried!) In a message dated 8/3/99 10:57:00 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Paul wrote a wonderful message that reads: Paul - That was eloquent and wonderful. Thank you for your thoughts and for continuing to weave a thread that connects us all. Blessings, - -Dabbitt (Out of hiding, for now) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Clayton Subject: Alloy: The Bronx Zoo now (re)airing on cable A little bird pointed me toward the cable channel TVLand (a spinoff channel from Nickleodeon) which is now airing reruns of "The Bronx Zoo," starring a certain young actress, and featuring a theme written by her pop star husband... Check your local cable listings, blahblah, etc, etc... It's on Mon-Fri 12pm Pacific, 3pm Eastern. I guess most of us working stiffs will have to set a tape for it. BC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:34:36 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: RE: Alloy: Baffled, I am.... but now on Netscape (More Totally OT) Be warned, it's long and probably totally irrelevant, but it's all part of the continuing tapestry that is the Life and Times of Slarvibarglhee. Press 'Del' now, or read on at your peril. At 11:17 03/08/99 +0300, Lissu wrote: > >Hi Slarv! > >So sorry to hear about your mailing woes,....I have to say that I too am a >big fan of Netscape messaging,...why don't you give it a try? Otherwise, if >you like, I can pick Max' brains in case he has a fresh viewpoint, as he >spent a lot of last year configuring mail & mail servers (poor bu**er!!) > I was thinking of changing the subject to 'Baffled, I was' but then I still am really. Baffled, that is. Or maybe 'Where did my free space go?' or 'Is my rubber room ready yet, Doctor?' Anyroadup, I decided to have a go at downloading Netscape Communicator 4.61 this morning and got caught by that bloody Smart Download again, but this time it actually worked .... the download, that is, but it took nearly an hour and a half, which is why I did it from work via our extremely cheap Government Telecommunications Network. Ended up with a 15.5 mb executable file and an installation to run. All went OK until I tried to configure the mail. It behaved well, retrieved Lissu's 'This has got me worried' message, then refused to send or receive anything else for the rest of the day, in fact it told me there was no such mail server as freeserve.net.!!!! Bloody liar! Bugger! So, now I was in the position of having MS Messaging that wouldn't use aliases, and kept telling me there was a TCP/IP problem on the mail server, but then proceeded to collect my mail anyway, OR a loverly new Netscape Messenger that had gone petulant and sulky, possibly due to the anguish of Lissu's message. 'Sod it,' says I, 'I'll copy the installation file to a Zip (tm) disk and install it at home tonight.' I got out me portable Zip Drive (tm), copied the big file on to it and came home. Now, as I've said recently, I'm down to about my last 50mb on my home PC, so I thought I'd remove a few surplus bits and pieces before attempting to install Communicator. Before I began, I checked my drive space to find I was actually down to 20mb ('Oh, sh*t!) and it doesn't take a genius to guess that copying the install file on to my hard disk and trying to install it will PROBABLY not work. I cleaned out some stuff I never use, like Paintshop Pro, IE4 (spit), some silly instant messenger stuff from Yahoo, and over 7mb of cached stuff from the net, then tried to run the installation from the Zip drive. It gave up after about 5 mins and gave me a nasty error message. So, I copied the file to the hard drive and tried to install from there, only to be told there was not enough room for the whole thing, so I did a custom install without some of the whistles and bells which I'd probably never use anyway. And what do I find AFTER the install? I've got nearly 50mb of free space again AND I haven't deleted the 15.5mb install file yet. No wonder Bill Gates is rich if he uses the same formulae to calculate his wages as Drivespace.exe does to work out the space on my disk. AND .... it WORKS!!!!! Used the same settings as I had at the occife, but it connected with no problem, collected my mail nicely and delivered a couple of test items very nicely as well. Where did I go wrong ... or right? Answers, on a postcard, please to Slarvibarmy, The Red Rubber Room, Bedlam. UK >The other thing is that I find having a web based e-mail box is a "do-able" >alternative & is less messing about,...I like using hotmail because I can >check my mail from anywhere that has a web connection, and they're not as >slow as you think,...I use Hotmail (MS, but fairly okay) and I've heard that >Hush mail is good (very good encription at least.) > I've got more mail accounts than I know what to do with now (only four really, but that IS more than I know what to do with). There's my 'official,' top secret, business-only address on the occife network, my 'help.gonw' one which has never been used to help anyone but me, my Webmail on Netscape Netcenter and now this one, which is mine, all MINE, I tell you, mwhaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha, mwwwwhhhhaaaaaa, hahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaa...... Sorry, it's all getting to much for me at my age. >Good luck! > Ta :0) > >Lissu :-) > >(p.s. I am jealous of everyone in the UK & France,...I'm going to miss the >eclipse DAMMIT!!!) > I have been informed I will be in Liverpool on the day, interviewing a candidate for asst admistrator at our Merseyside office at 10am, so he'd better be quick as I want to be out on the dockside [ 'Hello sailor' ;0) ] at 11.11 come hell or high tide, unless it's cloudy and/or raining in which case I shall be complaining about the weather to my Scouse colleagues. >> -----Original Message----- has been unmercifully snipped. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:51:20 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: update - Thomas @ Interactive Music Xpo Here's another update on Thomas' appearance in NY.. NEW YORK--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Aug. 3, 1999-- Hilary Rosen (R.I.A.A.) and Thomas Dolby (Artist/Beatnik) to Deliver Keynotes as More Than 150 Industry Experts and Artist Panelists Expected to Pack Jacob Javits Convention Center in New York City on Aug. 9 & 10 The Interactive Music Xpo (IMX) (http://www.imusicxpo.com), the nation's first interactive industry event for musicians, is set for its inaugural gathering, with more than 150 participating companies and exhibitors expected to draw thousands to the Jacob Javits Convention Center in New York City on Aug. 9 and 10. Hilary Rosen, president and chief executive officer of The Recording Industry Association of America, and Thomas Dolby Robertson, musician and chief beatnik of Beatnik Inc., are scheduled to deliver the keynote addresses to an audience expected to be composed predominantly of musicians, technology company representatives and music industry luminaries. Phil Ramone, Nile Rodgers, David J. of Love & Rockets and Bauhaus, DJ Spooky That Subliminal Kid, Tony Visconti and John "Jelly Bean" Benitez will also be part of the roster of panelists. "We are extremely excited and look forward to providing a compelling forum to the industry to exchange thoughts, ideas and business cards," said Paul Sitar, founder and president of ISG, LLC, producers of IMX. "We hope to learn a lot from our first year and are looking forward to augmenting the already incredible support that we have received from both the music and technology industries." Microsoft, Lucent Technologies, MCY.com, AT&T's a2b music, Sonic Foundry, ASCAP, RIAA, the MIDI Manufacturers Association, Vibe Magazine, J-Bird Records, Spin Magazine, Blaze Magazine, Gig Magazine, Electronic Musician Magazine, Digital River, Bass Player Magazine, Guitar Player Magazine, Keyboard Magazine, Pro Sound News, EQ and The New York Chapter of the Recording Academy round out a who's who of sponsoring companies. Nearly two dozen panel discussions will address a wide range of topics that will lend advice, counsel and guidance to musicians in all musical genres. "Copyright Protection," "Managing Your Band's Online Business," "Learning From The Pros: The Producer's Clinic" and "Unsigned Artists: How To Make It Happen" will juxtapose guidance from the experts with new technologies available to artists: "Learning From The Pros: Technology On Tour," "Transcending MIDI To Living Music" and "Software Tools Mastermind." However, the conference is sure to heat up when the pros discuss "Digital Distribution: The Content Game," "Where's Technology Headed (The Label Panel)" and "Streaming Audio And Video: The Right's Game." IMX participants include high level executives from some of the nation's leading companies, including AT&T, Microsoft, Lucent Technologies, EMI Records, BMG Records, BMI, ASCAP, Yahoo! Inc., Broadcast.com, Liquid Audio, Forrester Research, Yamaha, CDNow, Customdisc.com, emusic.com, Amazon.com, CDKnet, UBL, Steinberg, Opcode, Apple Computers, Real Networks, Loud.com, Korg USA, Fortune Magazine, audiohighway.com, Launch.com, Reciprocal Music, CMJ, Billboard Talent Network, Dreamworks records, Cakewalk, The Virtual Music Vault, Segasoft and more. IMX is produced and managed by ISG, LLC, a company which provides knowledge and experience in all areas of conference and event management, along with the focus and integration of Web-site technology, to all aspects of business processes and initiatives. Keynotes, speakers, conference session, times and room assignments are subject to change. Please check the IMX Web site for event updates and complete information. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:58:24 +0100 From: Slarvibarglhee Subject: Alloy: 'Cholton-cum-Hardy. Is that a real place?' Just an idle thought. Some of you find it hard to believe that there is actually a place called Chorlton-cum-Hardy (those of you who were Alloy subscribers when the great Alloy T shirt project was under way may remember someone asking if it was a real place). Well, I've just had a peek at our website and there are a number of recent pics of the area. So, if you'd like to see where Slarvi hangs out, look here http://www.mmu.ac.uk/h-ss/sis/chorlton/chorlpic.htm And if you'd like to see where my wife was born, this is the place http://www.mmu.ac.uk/h-ss/sis/chorlton/chorlpic2.htm#trev (yep, her dad was the landlord of 'The Trevor' in those days, and no resemblance to Barliman Butterburr whatsoever, and if you don't understand that reference, ask any Alloyite who used to be a FES member). Happy viewing Slarv PS Be warned, there are a lot of pictures of PUBS, which says a lot about the local inhabitants. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:37:49 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: This has got me worried! I really don't want to, but I thought I should say a quick word since so many people have asked me privately about the situation. First of all, I'd had no idea Mary had unsubscribed until everyone started talking about it, since she seems to have gone behind my back for some reason to do so, rather than folow the usual channels. This leads me to believe that her leaving must have something to do with my disagreement with Stephen (??) I haven't been in contact with her since I thanked her for her kind thoughts about my mom's surgery back in May.. so I really don't know what else to think of it. All I can say is, if she's happier being unsubbed, then that's what she should do, though it seems awfully out of left field to me. Anyway, I've decided that I should give an explaination of a few basic things, even though I'm so weary of this topic after all this time that even talking about it makes me very tired. In the interest of peace on Alloy & out of respect for everyone on the list, I've been trying to downplay my argument with Stephen as much as possible for well over a year now, which is why nobody has heard anything about it until recently. It might help to explain if I forward you part of a letter which is an explaination I gave to Dennis Alexander, who wrote to me yesterday to ask me about my reaction to Stephen on the list. Dennis gave me permission to quote it to others. _____ Hello Dennis, Thanks for taking the time to write to me about the situation. I appreciate your thinking I've done a decent job maintaining Alloy, as I take all of my responsibilities seriously. I'm terribly sorry that you misunderstood my comments as an unreasonable 'lashing out' at Stephen. Indeed, his comments about the bio's did not indicate me, I just read them that way. The reason I did so, however, is because Stephen and I have been having a rather severe disagreement going back since before I was list owner, involving far more than criticism of how I'm running Alloy. It's all been going on completely off-line and behind the scenes. I have been doing my best to keep any shade of the overall disagreement off the list because I respect the other members highly, and I want Alloy to remain a peaceful place. Stephen has a lot of friends here & I respect that, and don't wish to interfere with anyone's personal life. Likewise, I don't want to involve you by telling you what has happened & what is happening. Just please be assured that I wasn't randomly attacking anyone. As you should know by my past dealings with everyone at Alloy, I am a quite rational person who does not do things without reason. you write: :: In fact, this incident reminds me of a time when I mistakenly 'labeled' you a punk, as you had told me you used to have a Mohawk. You became quite angry with me because of my innocent stereotyping. Actually I was quite surprised that you took such a great degree of offense. Especially considering your passion for TMDR and his brief stint as a 'punk,' himself. :: Of course, I do admire Thomas. I was (and still am in many ways) what some people would consider 'punk' or goth, many of my dearest friends are punks, etc. I didn't take offense at your labeling me as such. The thing I was defending myself about, as you'll recall (and if you still have the old letter, you can look up for yourself) is that you compared me on the list to a friend of yours who 'hated men'. Remember that I'd just joined Alloy & nobody really knew me yet. I didn't want everyone to have the wrong impression of me. I needed to point out the inaccuracy of your comparison & explain that, indeed, some of the finest people I'd ever known in my life are men, I love and respect men, and would never hate anyone in some lumped-together stereotype, as you were indicating I did. you write: :: Could I offer some advice? I think you frighten the members of Alloy when you 'lash out' at times, like this. I fear you may attack me just for offering this advice. You may not think you're 'lashing out' but that's definitely what it appears as. Club protocol and such are always in order and rules must be enforced, I agree, but must members be 'attacked' by the clubs administrator every time she 'perceives' someone has said something they ought not? Instead, can you 'tactfully' ask them exactly what they are implying? I can only imagine the fear Miles felt when he received your message. He really didn't deserve that. He certainly was not acting like Electric, by any means. :: I'm afraid subtlety and tact have never gotten the point across in my past dealings with Stephen. Again, I don't wish to involve you in our argument. Please be aware, though, that it is indeed a serious problem which has gone on far too long. I've been trying to play our off-line conflict down completely on the list so as not to involve anyone else, but the strain is beginning to tell, and I'm afraid I'm losing my patience. As far as my 'scaring' list members, I'm absolutely certain it was startling to read of any conflict on the list, because I've kept this very well hidden. However there are several very highly respected Alloy members who have been fully aware of my problems with Stephen over the years, and who have had similar problems with him... and who realise my recent over-reaction to Stephen is understandable given the circumstances. In fact, they wonder why I've put up with his crap for so long. I tell them it's in the interest of peace on the list. If Stephen was frightened by my words, then maybe it's a necessary step toward his realising I'm not a doormat anymore. If private emails won't do it, he then forces me against my will to bring it into the list. Considering the nature of the troubles which I and others here have had with him, I'm certain he wouldn't want that. ______ end quote. Any questions, please email me privately. Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #213 ***************************