From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #178 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, June 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Dolby's collaboration with Joni Mitchell ["Kathleen T. Presser] Re: Alloy: Dolby's collaboration with Joni Mitchell [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) ["Kathleen T. Pre] Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) [MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby's collaboration with Joni Mitchell MacSuirtain, Your email reminds me of the words of a song, 'One more night in the Puppet Theatre'...... You couldn't of said it better about the differences between Dolby's style of music and Mitchell's style of music. I have to agree with your analogy. I've listened to both and have seen the differences. It would almost be like Bob Dylan and Duran Duran working together. So, there you go, that's my two cents that may not make a lot of sense,,hehe. Pax Aye, Kate;-) MacSuirtain wrote: > RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > > > Yet another magazine I've finally got my hands on, the May 1986 International > > Musician (yay!) Thomas talks about his collaboration with Joni Mitchell... > > I love Thomas' work. I love Joni Mitchell's work. Court and Spark was > played on a very regular basis in my home when I was in grade school > (thank you, sister Betsi). It was the first album where I knew all the > words to all the songs. I remember being very surprised to hear about > Thomas' collaboration with Joni (you, know, I'm not comfortable using > the first names of people I don't know, but saying "Ms. Mitchell" sounds > like I have a stick up my butt). I'm going to try to explain this, but I > don't think I'm going to do a very good job... > > To me, Thomas' music, even when there is chaos and high energy, it's a > polished chaos and energy; there is a smoothness to it. A sophistication > of a marvelously produced variety, with the amazing sounds that > technology can produce. For me, it's the musical equivalent of a tour, > both soothing and stimulating, of the coolest house ever seen on the > pages of Architectural Digest. Joni's music, on the other hand, always > had a very rough-hewn quality to it. Raw emotion spewing forth in a > torrent of poetry and meloncholy. It's like a weekend in a remote cabin, > alone with yourself, the memories of a lost love, and the Franklin > stove; when you leave, you carry the smell of the stove on your clothes > as a wistful reminder. > > Oh hell. That sounded so stupid. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I > wasn't sure how, when I heard about Thomas producing some of Joni's > stuff, styles so very unique and artists who express themselves so > differently would work together. Smooth and rough. Doesn't surprise me > that they didn't mesh well together. > > On an utterly different topic... > > I'm considering spending a massive amount of money on a Star Wars toy - > a lifesize Anakin Skywalker, decked out in podracing gear. Not a > cardboard cut out, mind you - I'm talking statue here. I may have to > shoot myself or maim my mouse hand to keep me from completing the > purchase. Whoever designed the entire podrace segment of Phantom Menace > knew precisely which buttons to press with me. I'm totally captivated by > the design work. Damn those people at ILM and damn the Lucasfilm > marketing people. I'm an utter puppet. > > Off to bed. > > Best wishes, all. > > - Melissa > > -- > Melissa R. Jordan > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios > Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts > http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:05:58 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Dolby's collaboration with Joni Mitchell In a message dated 6/22/99 6:53:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stemish@lns.com writes: :: Robin, check out jmdl.com, the Joni Mitchell Discussion List site. It has loads of articles referencing Thomas. Right off there is a Chicago Tribune article from December 1, 1985 wherein she talks about having "a definite clash of temperament" with him (although she states she's is very fond of him.) :: Thanks for referring me to this website. I like reading interviews with Joni Mitchell, she speaks from the heart in a very no-nonsense manner, which I admire. It's interesting to read her take on the partnership with Dolby in the Chicago Tribune article. I can understand her territoriality when it comes to her work (which every artist in every discipline can attest to) and that Thomas' methods must have been like something from another world to her. I do also understand her not wanting to give away control, as she may have viewed it, of her work to something she didn't understand and didn't anticipate being faced with. I can see through it all, though, Thomas' desire to show her what exciting new possibilities the Fairlight would open up for her as an artist, clearly he was very excited by them himself. Her unfortunate view of this as a trespass makes me sad! It must have been *extremely* uncomfortable for both of them to try to find a middle ground in which to work, when finding one would have meant each of them having to let go of something they felt was at the essence of their own intended goal. I know it's pointless to say in retrospect, but I do think the partnership would have gone much better if it had not been her own personal album they were working on. If she'd been introduced to these ideas in a neutral setting, I'm sure she would have fallen head over heels for them. It makes me wonder what she thinks of the Beatnik software nowadays & if she's become more interested in creating purely solo work through his influence, after all. She would be making something utterly different from anything she'd ever done before, in another realm entirely from anything she's used to. ::sigh:: !! One thing in all of this that's even clearer to me is that Thomas does seem to approach his music in a very painterly, introspective way, even when working in partnership with others, he takes it into himself very personally. He reminds me so much of the painters I know. I still wonder if Thomas has ever painted with *paints*..! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:13:02 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) Melissa writes: :: I'm considering spending a massive amount of money on a Star Wars toy - a lifesize Anakin Skywalker, decked out in podracing gear. Not a cardboard cut out, mind you - I'm talking statue here. I may have to shoot myself or maim my mouse hand to keep me from completing the purchase. Whoever designed the entire podrace segment of Phantom Menace knew precisely which buttons to press with me. I'm totally captivated by the design work. :: I'm having the same problem right now, only involving a pair of Fluevogs. I KNEW I shouldn't have looked at their website today, with my empty pockets & a stack of overdue bills right next to me. That Anakin model, is it a cast statue, or is it more along the lines of a doll, with real fabric clothes, real goggles, leather helmet, etc? If the latter... then, is there one of Queen Amidala (sp?) too??!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:30:27 -0700 From: "Kathleen T. Presser" Subject: Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) Is there also a statue of Obi Wan Kenobi?? Not that I can afford anything, but purely out of curiosity. Kate;-) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > Melissa writes: > > :: I'm considering spending a massive amount of money on a Star Wars toy - > a lifesize Anakin Skywalker, decked out in podracing gear. Not a > cardboard cut out, mind you - I'm talking statue here. I may have to > shoot myself or maim my mouse hand to keep me from completing the > purchase. Whoever designed the entire podrace segment of Phantom Menace > knew precisely which buttons to press with me. I'm totally captivated by > the design work. :: > > I'm having the same problem right now, only involving a pair of Fluevogs. I > KNEW I shouldn't have looked at their website today, with my empty pockets & > a stack of overdue bills right next to me. That Anakin model, is it a cast > statue, or is it more along the lines of a doll, with real fabric clothes, > real goggles, leather helmet, etc? If the latter... then, is there one of > Queen Amidala (sp?) too??!! > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:40:50 -0400 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: lifesize Anakin Skywalker doll (totally OT!) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > I'm having the same problem right now, only involving a pair of Fluevogs. I > KNEW I shouldn't have looked at their website today, with my empty pockets & > a stack of overdue bills right next to me. That Anakin model, is it a cast > statue, or is it more along the lines of a doll, with real fabric clothes, > real goggles, leather helmet, etc? If the latter... then, is there one of > Queen Amidala (sp?) too??!! The doll is a mannequin, garbed in fabric clothes identical to Jake Lloyd's costume, down to the dinged up podracing helmet and goggles. His face is even smudged with dirt. It was made by Don Post Studios, the folks who cast Darth Vader's original helmet & did the stormtroopers, etc. My possible sin, I'm afraid, goes light years beyond your very cool shoes (I visited the website - very neat stuff!) This would be more like adopting a child. I swear to god. I'd be paying this off for several months. If you want to see one of these babies, here's one that's on auction at eBay - it has good pictures. When I saw one of these recently, it totally messed with my head. I thought it was a real kid the store had dressed up for a marketing gimmick: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120490145 For Robin and Kate both - I understand that items like this have been spotted as marketing devices in Australian stores, too - Jar Jar and Darth Maul. Alas, no Amidalas or Obi-Wans. However, Don Post Studios is selling Amidala headpieces, so you can have her Theed or Senate headgear - - now that's cool: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/ I now return you to All Things Dolby. - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #178 ***************************