From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #129 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, May 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: rudimentary beginnings of Dolby Page 1981 [Chris Cracknell ] Re: Alloy: Holy Farking Snit! ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: TMDR and Cake ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: Mulu won't come out and play /-( ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Re: Alloy: The Flattery Earth [jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson)] Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake [jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson)] Re: Alloy: rudimentary beginnings of Dolby Page 1981 [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Mulu won't come out and play /-( ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: fwd from Neil Leacy re: TFeryE and UK "Music Police" ["Stephen M. ] Alloy: Ensoniq Mirage Sequencer From Hell!!! [Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: rudimentary beginnings of Dolby Page 1981 In article <8045063c.2459cc98@aol.com>, you wrote: >especially love the dark sky framing him. At 23, already such an intelligent, >creatively passionate and steadfast man who carries himself well in the >public eye. Very rare! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Speaking of rare, please let me know if you ever get the rare pictures of him performing in drag on your webpage. CRACKERS (The dress is out there from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Oh crap, Crackers thinks he's Margaret Mead again. In article <199904291754_MC2-73E7-A74F@compuserve.com>, you wrote: >So, if we all want to marry Lissu perhaps we should join the Mormons >and move to Utah. Hey, we'd have a helluva band! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Actually, the mormons are polygynous (more than one wife) and not polyandrous (more than one husband). Polygyny and polyandry are two different forms of polygamy. Anthropologically speaking, polygynous families are culturally accepted norm around the world. Monogamy is more widely practiced because polygyny carries with it certain financual limitations (ie. most people can't afford more than one wife). Infact there are some cultures, such as the Kapauku of western New Guinea, where a wife can divorce her husband if she can demonstrate that he has the wealth to afford another wife but doesn't take one. Infact the very act of taking more wives can often increase the wealth of the family. Polygany is most common in societies that support themselves by growing crops. The majority of the farm work is done by the women who are valued as workers and child bearers. Because the women generate the wealth and require little support from the husband their bargaining power within the household is quite considerable affording them a great degree of economic independence and freedom of movement. In the societies that practice wealth-generating polygyny the majority of marriages are polygynous. If the society is one in which men produce the bulk of the wealth polygynous marriages are the minority. The women in these societies don't sahre the same status and freedomes of women in wealth-generating polygynous societies. In these societies the number of wives demonstrates the man's status and position whereas in the other society the more wives a man has the higher the status and social position is of his wives. Polyandry on the otherhand has only been practiced by a small number of cultures. The Dobi !Kung (who also practice polygyny and monogamy), the Marquesan Islanders of Polynesia, the Tibetans, and the eastern Inuit. Possible reasons why this kind of marriage is rare are the shorter life expectancy of men, the higher rate of male infant mortality and the fact that men generally perform the high risk roles in a society such as hunting and waging war all contribute to make it unlikely for a society to have a surplus of men. Sorry... you never know what might set off the anthropologist in me. CRACKERS (Somebody stop me before I write another essay from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: RE: Alloy: The Flattery Earth In article <514B833CB5E4D1118E320008C724B24B667FA9@obelix.teleste.fi>, you wrote: >I don't know where to begin,..Crackers had me in stitches laughing,....you >are cool, man! No one else has balls to do what you do, and you do it great! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Thanks. I'll remember that when George Clinton comes knocking on my door looking to kick my ass. ;) *Knock knock* "Who's there?" "George Clinton, I'd like to have a word with you about what you did to one of my songs." "Okee dokee. The line to kick my ass forms behind Gordon Lightfoot. He's a little cheesed with a parody I did of one of his songs." "Can we move it along, I'm kicking your ass for two. Thomas Dolby couldn't make it." "Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep your pants on, I've got two cheeks but only one ass. Just wait in line." ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >I loved Hot sauce and the weasel ,...hey,...what does that text mean, or did >I miss out on the translation earlier? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Well I'll give some of the linguists here on Alloy a crack at it first and then I'll post the translation. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >Lee's perfect arrangements knocked me off my feet (hey crackers, I get sick >when I play Quake/Duke and stuff too,..but my friends recognised Lee's >music,..great stuff! ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ The first time I experienced the "Video Motion Sickness" was when I played "Wolfenstein 3D". I had been drinking the night before, but not that much. I sat down the next day and played Wolf 3D on my nefew's computer and began to feel very ill. "I can't be hungover from last night. Maybe I got the flu." I think the next 1st person game I played was Doom and it made me really queasy too. I later found out that it is a very common problem suffered by people playing those 1st person shoot 'em ups. Some of the modern ones on very fast machines with smooth graphics I can play for a little while but ultimately they make me very ill if I play them too long. Oddly enough, I have a nintendo Virtual Boy (a 3-D game machine) and there's a 1st person perspective game on it where you fly through caverns shooting things up left and right. I don't get sick at all playing it. It's one of the coolest games I've ever played too (Red Alarm). It makes the best use of the 3-D technology of the Virtual Boy. If they could have only reduced the price of the machine itself it would have sold much better. But at the closeout price of $30 that I paid for it, it was a bargain. CRACKERS (Video barf bag from hell!!!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:20:58 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Holy Farking Snit! Thanks, I had fun making the cover. The thing I am most proud of is the light hitting the cake. By pure luck, the light from my window perfectly matched the light on TMDR's shirt. I took a picture of the cake (real ice cream cake, shame I had to eat it all) with a QuickCam. To get the shot, I balanced the cake on my knees while adjusting the camera to match the angle of the pan TMDR is holding. That reminds me, I've got some more TMDR with cake pictures that I made that did not make it to the CD. I think it is time to share. Off to the HTML editor..... - -Keith (still working off that cake) Stansell - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Cracknell (clip) > Well gang, if you didn't participate in PBD-][ then you're really missing > out on something cool. I was amazed at just how pro and polished the > packaging of this two CD set it. I purposefully did not preview the graphics > online so as not to spoil the suprise of the CD artwork. I'm glad I waited. > The cover is absolutely brilliantly done. Kudos Keith! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:37:47 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: TMDR and Cake Ok, they are up, go to The Flattery Earth Listening Room page page and scroll to the bottom. You will find two possible contenders for next year's cover art (if anyone wishes to use it). http://www.keith.stansell.com/flattery.htm Later, Keith (must go to bed now) Stansell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 03:58:37 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Mulu won't come out and play /-( Hi Keith, I have been unable to get Mulu to play at your website. All the other files I tried work fine. Check it out. Your pal, /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:56:43 +0300 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Holy Farking Snit! Hey love that cake, mate! But please stop making me hungry when all there is to eat in this place is unidentifiable slop. Great Work, Keith! Lissu :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Stansell [SMTP:Keith@Stansell.com] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 8:21 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: Holy Farking Snit! > > > Thanks, > > I had fun making the cover. The thing I am most proud of is the light > hitting the cake. By pure luck, the light from my window perfectly > matched > the light on TMDR's shirt. I took a picture of the cake (real ice cream > cake, shame I had to eat it all) with a QuickCam. To get the shot, I > balanced the cake on my knees while adjusting the camera to match the > angle > of the pan TMDR is holding. > > That reminds me, I've got some more TMDR with cake pictures that I made > that > did not make it to the CD. I think it is time to share. Off to the HTML > editor..... > > -Keith (still working off that cake) Stansell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Cracknell > (clip) > > Well gang, if you didn't participate in PBD-][ then you're really > missing > > out on something cool. I was amazed at just how pro and polished the > > packaging of this two CD set it. I purposefully did not preview the > graphics > > online so as not to spoil the suprise of the CD artwork. I'm glad I > waited. > > The cover is absolutely brilliantly done. Kudos Keith! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:45:19 +0100 From: "Lem Bingley" Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V4 #128 Crackers wrote: > Lem should get some sort > of acknowledgement for probably being the first person in history to > ever record a song exclusively on the Mirage's sequencer. Needless to say I won't be repeating the exercise with my next effort :-) Lem (hair pulled out in tufts from hell!) Get your free E-mail at http://www.zdnet.co.uk/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:12:16 GMT From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: The Flattery Earth On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:45:36 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >I think the next 1st person game I played was Doom and it made me really >queasy too. I later found out that it is a very common problem suffered by >people playing those 1st person shoot 'em ups. There is a cure for this. It's surprisingly simple - just lean back. Here's the deal. The motion sickness you experience is usually caused by getting "too involved" with the game. First person shooters have a tendency to literally draw people into the action: they get so caught up in what's going on that they lean forward to where the images on the screen take in almost their entire field of vision. When that happens, the cycle begins. They see the moving screen images as their primary visual imput, with practically no stationary peripheral view to reassure the brain that they're not moving. Therefore, the brain tries to coordinate a visual feeling of motion with the inner ear's feeling of no motion, which leads to motion sickness. In this case, it's "stationary" sickness. To solve this problem, all you have to do is lean back and stay back while playing. Position yourself where you can see a good deal of screen detail, but make sure that you allow a solid peripheral view of the area surrounding the screen. When you do this, the primary visual input is that of a stationary monitor, desk, wall, etc., with a secondary input of moving images on a screen. The brain has no problem resolving this against the inner ear's signals, so the result is no motion sickness. I speak from experience here. This works for me, and it has worked for everyone that I've suggested it to. Give it a try. // Lee Jackson (jacksonhome@home.com) // http://gameaudio.3dportal.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:14:28 GMT From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:37:47 -0600, you wrote: >You will find two possible contenders for next year's cover art (if anyone >wishes to use it). If you use the title I suggested (Get Out of my (Cake) Mix), use picture #2. // Lee Jackson (jacksonhome@home.com) // http://gameaudio.3dportal.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:26:29 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: rudimentary beginnings of Dolby Page 1981 In a message dated 4/30/99 1:47:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, crackers@hwcn.org writes: :: Speaking of rare, please let me know if you ever get the rare pictures of him performing in drag on your webpage. :: Thomas is welcome to send them in of course, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:33:43 EDT From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake In a message dated 4/30/99 2:39:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Keith@Stansell.com writes: :: Ok, they are up, go to The Flattery Earth Listening Room page page and scroll to the bottom. You will find two possible contenders for next year's cover art (if anyone wishes to use it). http://www.keith.stansell.com/flattery.htm :: Keith, I have just laughed HYSTERICALLY at the images you produced (and I'm *still* laughing... I can hardly see my keyboard!!!) May I please use these in my 'gallery' page, which will be for Alloy members' photos & art? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:38:33 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Mulu won't come out and play /-( Whoops, That one was trying to play from my hard drive. Fixed it. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen M. Tilson To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 1:58 AM Subject: Alloy: Mulu won't come out and play /-( > > Hi Keith, > > I have been unable to get Mulu to play at your website. All the > other files I tried work fine. Check it out. > > Your pal, > /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:40:50 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake Please do! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR and Cake > > In a message dated 4/30/99 2:39:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Keith@Stansell.com writes: > > :: Ok, they are up, go to The Flattery Earth Listening Room page page and > scroll to the bottom. > You will find two possible contenders for next year's cover art (if anyone > wishes to use it). > > http://www.keith.stansell.com/flattery.htm :: > > Keith, I have just laughed HYSTERICALLY at the images you produced (and I'm > *still* laughing... I can hardly see my keyboard!!!) May I please use these > in my 'gallery' page, which will be for Alloy members' photos & art? > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:03:29 -0400 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: fwd from Neil Leacy re: TFeryE and UK "Music Police" 30-Apr-99 01:58:29 Sb: TFE: The Flattery Earth Newsletter #6 Fm: "Neil Leacy, IT Support" > INTERNET:britax@helen.pcug.co.uk Do you hear that? It's the sound of my jaw dropping on recieving my copy of Flattery! My hat is off to all of you involved. This is a real treasure and takes pride of place amongst the various bits of TMDR/Alloy collection. BTW - I will try hard this time to include some music for volume 3 (mind you I said that about Flattery and now sorely regret not getting my butt of the floor and doing something :-( ). In the mean time my very, very best to you all and for the UK listeners keep an eye on Channel Four's 'Adam and Joe' show. The great man himself is rumoured to be making an appearence in their 'Music Police' spot! Regards, Neil Leacy IT Support Britax Excelsior Limited ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Alloy: Ensoniq Mirage Sequencer From Hell!!! In article <199904300442475@lem.zdnetmail.co.uk>, you wrote: >Crackers wrote: > >> Lem should get some sort >> of acknowledgement for probably being the first person in history to >> ever record a song exclusively on the Mirage's sequencer. > >Needless to say I won't be repeating the exercise with my next effort :-) ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Hey if you get lucky you might stumble across the memory expansion cartridge that gives you another 400 notes on the sequencer. I have yet to find much of a real use for that sequencer except to use it as a drum machine or bass track sequencer when playing live. Just record a drum/bass track in it, loop it, play it, then jam along to it on another instrument. Other than that it's even more useless than the cheesey sequencers found on ancient consumer model keyboards like the SK-1. My hats off to you for being able to do anything musical with that sequencer. Speaking of the ensoniq Mirage.... I have a copy of a disk with sound banks on it labeled: 1) Gabriel 2) Dolby 3) Sherlock Comp I know that Ensoniq released a "Signature Series" for the Mirage way back in the mid 80s. They got famous musicians to create a sound bank for the mirage and I believe they were all sold in a 10 disk set. Thomas, if you're reading this did you take part in this signature series for Ensoniq. If not perhaps this is just a disk somebody created and the sounds on that bank were inspired by you. If this is a signature disk, I would assume that "Gabriel" is Peter Gabriel (The sounds in this bank do have a very Prophet-5 sound to them) but who the heckety heck is Sherlock Comp? It's been a long time since I've played that disk (or anything on my Mirage for that matter. The last time I used it was for the clarinet on my "Nuvogue" cover). But I believe the banks are set up with the first octave being percussion sounde, then two octaves of bass samples and then two octaves of lead/pad samples. I have a couple of other mirage disks set up like this and they're pretty handy when you're using the weenie sequencer as a drum/bass player for live solo shows because you can have both drums and bass going (and even pads) in your loop. CRACKERS (Uber-weenie sequencers from hell!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 01:06:38 +0100 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V4 #128 At 12:45 30/04/99 +0100, Lem/Croydon wrote: > >Crackers wrote: > >> Lem should get some sort >> of acknowledgement for probably being the first person in history to >> ever record a song exclusively on the Mirage's sequencer. > >Needless to say I won't be repeating the exercise with my next effort :-) > >Lem >(hair pulled out in tufts from hell!) > It's called a learning experience, sunbeam, and is cheap at the price. However, I hadn't realised it had been recorded on the KB's sequencer. I've dabbled a bit with the sequencer on my daughter's Farfisa Digital Piano and I now realise what an achievement your track really was. So, OK, spill the beanz, how many 'takes' did it take to get a usable one? Slarv PS Be careful with that hair, you don't have a lot to pull out. Just go grey like me instead. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:49:48 EDT From: CJMark@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Holy Farking Snit! Hey Stephen.. Just to let you know.. my copy of the CDs did come in.. but I'm not home! As I told you last week.. I'm working in Austin Texas now.. until Sunday.. then I'm off on another trip to the Caribbean for a couple of weeks. However.. at least they made it into the house.. and when I get back to California I'll be primed to listen. All the comments are making my ears water.. Thanks! Mark ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #129 ***************************