From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #79 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Wednesday, March 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: tattoos; Robin you are too funny [Debrah LaRue ] RE: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Alloy: Obsidian - soundtrack by TMDR and Headspace ["Stephen M. Tilson" <] Alloy: The Golden Age of Video ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: Re: tattoos ["Jennie Bolton" ] Re: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! [Elaine Linstruth ] Re: Alloy: TDR Videos,fan clubs [Debrah LaRue ] Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V4 #78 [mary@headspace.com (Mary Coller)] Re: Alloy: scary flicks [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Re: 78 THIS IS AWFUL [Debrah LaRue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 23:21:10 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: tattoos; Robin you are too funny RThurF@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/9/99 8:51:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > darkpoet@darkpoet.com writes: > > ::there's a photo of the main page of...http://www.darkpoet.net > If you wish to see such a sight! I like it when someone says "why did > you do that? You 'were' attractive without it." > How does one respond: "Was that a compliment or an insult?" > I have no idea why people stare at me when I'm at the post office? > '-) :: > > It's a very pretty tattoo & it suits you!! I think people who stare at it are ===== HA HA HA see what freaks we are? We think it's "pretty!" send me a jpeg of yours sometime? ===== > either admiring it (and might be too shy to say so) or they just don't get out > of the house a lot & aren't sure how to react. I've had some odd ======== Actually it's even stranger that someone like me who feels nervous in public settings anyway would walk around with a sign saying "kick me." The only thing that really kills me is getting called racist after spending months working on a chapter almost entirely devoted to racism/intolerance...oh well...if they only knew YOU CAN'T TELL A BOOK BY ITS COVER...well except my books.'-) ====== > misguidedly ask if my wrist tattoo is 'satanic'!! (when in actual fact, it's > really the name of the Archangel Gabriel... can't get less satanic ===== oh and it's satanic if it's celtic too... ==== than that, > folks... and scripted from an ancient Hebrew mystical text which is made up of > unpronounceable symbols) It's kind of a mouthful to explain to, say, the clerk ===== oh wow that would be the symbols that somehow were transcribed orally into a book called the Bible by men and later became a secret computer code about the impending apocalypse. Yes I believe in the creator theory myself, seriously, I just happen to think he/she/it was an alien;has a whole universe to run or has since died and we are what's left of what they seeded on earth...c'mon we all know they helped the Egyptian build those damn pyramids...'-) Um yes I do actually believe this...it's "faith." Damn I'm missing the news and I know even less about sanskrit. ===== > informational cards made up that I can hand out to those who ask. Think of the > time & confusion it would save :) ====== I beat you there, I have a bumper sticker on my car window that says "FEEL FREE TO POINT, WHISPER AND ASK QUESTIONS" the other says "I'M SO GOTHIC I HAVE NO REFLECTION" yes they spelled it without an X...in reflexion, the nerve! > The worst was when the guy who was cutting my hair at Costcutters asked about > it. I explained... and he inexplicably replied, "oooh, I knew it was Egyptian! > Can you *levitate*?" Of course, I became very frightened (I had a confirmed > lunatic hairdresser aiming a pair of sharp scissors at my head!) & managed to > escape by just talking him down calmly for half an hour as he snipped... ====== Hairdresser on fire ====== > > I wonder if Thomas has any tattoos? > > Robin T ======= No you wonder WHERE he would have them...*****gotcha****HA well I got SOME work done today but did I finish NO I "felt like" working on a scorpion drawing from a dream...cracked brain. If I was my boss, I'd fire me. Debrah Why have I been singing "one of our submarines" all day today...it's YOU PEOPLE "it was US made her that way, it was US made her that way!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:06:39 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V4 #75 Robyn Moore wrote: > > At 10:30 AM 3/9/99 , you wrote: > > >Shirley Jackson- isn't she great? Incredible writer, incredible woman! > > She's always been one of my favourites. One of these days I need to dig > out my copy of "We Have Always Lived In The Castle" and re-read it. :) > > Robyn M ====== bragging time? I have a first edition hardback of THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE. Well, it's a 1st "library edition." The first was by viking press for 3.95 hardback in 1959. I collect books for a living...you would think'-) I know you all wanted to know all that. I love the old gothic style suspense horror film called THE HAUNTING with Julie Harris, that was based on the book. My favourite all time scary movie probably...Haunting of hell house with Roddy McDowell and The Changeling are up there too...creepy (can't talk about the shining) KUBRICK 70 is not that old...natural causes huh? Sure...I still watch The Haunting, of gawd the doors breathing in and out...scared the hell out of me as a child. Showing my age;I can't understand today's horror/slasher films...like scream...Luckily my son warned me about trainspotting, I wish someone had warned me about FARGO...I shut it off when they showed a child's scared face in a car upside down and then the guy shot them!? I went in my backyard and just sat there crying and rocking... poor pathetic DarkPoet- Debrah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:59:35 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! Ahhh Slarv, you crack me up! Signed, the little Bravo Uniform Golf Golf Echo Romeo from up even further north. (Lissu :-) ) > -----Original Message----- > From: I T Admin @ Govt Office North West [SMTP:help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 2:33 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! > > > At 06:00 09/03/99 -0500, Miles wrote: > > > > > >Certainly. During the ensuing weeks I listened to the track and > >noticed two things. As indicated above the phonetic alphabet is > >incorrect, and the air-ground communications are in Spanish. This is > >wrong and here's the reasoning. > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The International Airman's Phonetic Alphabet > > > > Well, I'll be Foxtrot, Uniform, Charlie Kilo-ed!! > > Slarv > > Papa. Sierra. Apologies for this one-liner, couldn't resist it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:21:42 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Least Favorite? I agree, Elaine, with both of those choices. I thonk it stems from the fact that both are less well harmonically structured, and seem therefore to make less sense musically. Add to that lyrics that are in both cases slightly below his usual impeccable standards, and (certainly on Mulu) singing that is just that tiny bit out of control. It may be presumptious to assume this, but perhaps he liked the idea of writing songs on these subjects more than the actual songs themselves, which certainly coudn't be said for Budapest or Flying North, which he's said himself are the ones into which he put most of his soul. Anyway, any song with any flaws is going to sound much worse than it actually is when put on a disc next to Dissidents or I Live In A Suitcase, right? the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:26:07 -0000 From: Andy Venables Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V4 #78 Well HelloOOoooOOoo... >...Mayday..this is Golf Mike Oscar Victor Juliet". Now I know what the hell he was talking about. Yep, this would be G-MOVJ - the G signifying a British registered aircraft. The MO makes sense, I wonder what the VJ stood for? /\/\iles... I live VERY close to France... I can assure you that all the French speaking pilots use their native tongue in these parts! I assume the same goes for Spain... or whatever Spanish speaking country the song was based on! (Clue: "cambio" means "over") I had assumed that anyone who knew Whiskey and Zulu would know the rest of the NATO alphabet... the torre (sounded more like attore to me!) was some other part of the identification - part of the airline or something - in the same way that British Airways use "Speedbird" in their callsigns. In support of my assumption, aren't the usual european 4-letter calls (after the country prefix) shortened to just TWO letters so long as they are unique at the time? So a three letter callsign wouldn't have sounded right to me. Or maybe the song was based way in the past when callsigns were different perhaps...?! (they definately wouldn't have used FM then.... or (!) maybe there was an experiment with the use of FM v. AM back in the early days?!!! hehe) You're right though... this is EXCEEDINGLY pedantic! Even worse... I've listened carefully to the Morse code sounds on Windpower (and Submarines) and I have to say that while it all SOUNDS very Morse-y... it isn't valid Morse! The structure of the "dits and dahs" doesn't resemble any of the used combinations. Sorry. Hardly important, I know, it still sounds fine really and does it's job well, but since we are in a nit-picking mood...! - ------- >Curry morning noon and night gets a little boring Mmmmm..... curry..... (best Homer reading voice). Sounds ideal to me! - ------- >there are two TD songs that I hit on, just about every time. Neon Sisters and Mulu. Horray! I'm SOooOOoo glad it's not just me! Those are the two exact same songs I would have picked! I really go for songs with a good bassline (Radio Silence is delicious in the all-to-brief moments that it thunders around the room) and percussion "does it for me" too - so any song without much of a beat has to be something REALLY special to grab my MTV-attention span. Like Cruel for example. Golden Age : splendid... except I wouldn't listen to Cloudburst in company, and turn the volume down in the car around town! A little too, operatic! And I have to be in the right mood for Airwaves.. too slow for me half the time... but marvellous when it appeals. The Flat Earth : Screen Kiss is very disconcerting to me, it's an awkward listen. Otherwise... top notch! I had heard White City so many times as the B-side to Hyperactive though... that it was almost disappointing to find that there were two tracks on the album I already knew! ..my Buick : The Keys... whoah! That took some time as a "grower"... but now it's fabulous.. a great one to go really over the top singing along to "bah bah BAAH!!" ... I was actually pleased this time to find the Cube on it (I'd had the vinyl for a while) ... and now I'll admit the Ultimate Heresy... I don't like Budapest by Blimp that much! (gasp!) - or not until it really gets going, anyway. A&H : I can take-or-leave The Beauty of a Dream too (eek! - I'll just hide in this trench) although the "frog on a leaf" bit makes us smile every time! Boom! There goes the volume again... Boom! erk... Boom! next track please... Gateway : I think I need to see the video for this to make sense. There's some delicious music on this... but a couple of the "songs" make me cringe a little. Quantum Mechanic strikes me as a little naff (although it probably suited it's time) even though it has some great moments. Some of it sounds like "TV library music" - the sort of stuff they put on promotional spots underneath some shouty bloke reminding you that the carpet shop STILL has a sale on... (it's ALWAYS a sale) ... that MUST END SOON! Get Out of My Mix : .... get Off My Turntable. Fieldwork : hmmm.. I'm divided on that one... good but a little monotonous and "harsh". Then again... could I do better? I think not... but you don't have to play soccer to know a great goal when you see one... This all does sound a bit negative... but I could write so much more about the tracks I love! Like the middle 8 in Suitcase ... "they say travel broadens the mind" - my neck hair stands on end - by the time I reach "and in a land of.." I experience a moment of extreme pleasure - almost an "orgasm of the soul" ! TMDR does do a very good middle 8 - like the "wings of a dove" bit on Pulp Culture - wonderful. And "...but the law is catching up with me" in May the Cube. Great Stuff. I'm also rather partial to that Dolby's Cube / Howard the Duck song "don't go slipping away" - I had two 12" copies of that and had to give one to a friend who loves it too - it had a greater significance to him though - it was around the time his wedding plans - shall we say - "fell through" - ouch. - ----- Prefabricated Sprouts ... I think maybe the "Hotdog... Alberq(whatever)" thing in the King of Rock and Roll put me off for life! And the feeble wimpy "la la la..." the young lady inflicts on us. *ugh* I'll try my usual trick one day.. when I don't like an album on first listen - it helps to leave it on in the background while I'm busy doing something like tidying up/washing dishes/etc - it allows the music to seep into the subconscious! Better than hitting SKIP after turning my nose up at the start of each track! - ---- Interesting to see that picture of Thomas (the one Robin likes) with the can of Coke... I thought Thomas was a Pepsi man? I base my assumption on Cube Creature Caviar - or whatever the track was called (3 to chose from on that 12"?) Don't worry - I'm quite close now to having shared virtually every TMDR-related thought I've ever had with you. I'll slip into lurk mode one of these days! All the best +Andy+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:00:15 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Obsidian - soundtrack by TMDR and Headspace Hi Robyn, I just did a quick netsearch for Obsidian at Outpost.com, Beyond.com, and Brainplay.com - no luck! A copy sold on eBay earlier today for about $25. It's bound to come around again. If you can't find the hint book Europa and I will lend you ours. Luck, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:00:19 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: The Golden Age of Video I'm a little behind in my Alloy, but one week ago Lissu wrote: > We just got a DVD player a few weeks ago,... "The Gate to the Mind's Eye" is now available on DVD, in case Lissu or anyone else was wondering. > Apart from the video clips from the official dolby web site, I've > never seen the videos from Astronauts in full,... Who has? Dolby knows the reason, but to the best of my knowledge he isn't telling any of us. It's a damn shame he doesn't support a fan club (like his contemporaries XTC and the Split Enz/Crowded House/Finn folks) wherein he could release items like this on a private and limited basis. And, of course, who among us wouldn't buy the official (and mythical) "B-sides and Re-mixes" discs, live shows, and cool Dolby paraphenalia given the chance? Not many, I'll wager. Link these items to The Flat Earth site and it might really serve to consolidate his fan base in anticipation of future forays into music. Oh, sorry, was I talking in my sleep again? /\/\iles out. /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:00:17 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Mulu and the Neon Sisters (was: Least Favorite?) the_copse wrote: > I agree, Elaine, with both of those choices. They're talking about "Mulu the Rain Forest" and "Neon Sisters", in case you missed it. > I thonk it stems from the fact that both are less well > harmonically structured, and seem therefore to make less sense > musically. Add to that lyrics that are in both cases slightly > below his usual impeccable standards, and (certainly on Mulu) > singing that is just that tiny bit out of control. Oh come ON, Tim! You *can't* be serious about this, can you?!? I find no flaws, harmonic or otherwise, worthy of your comments. Neon Sisters is, necessarily, a painful song - the darkest Dolby song I've ever heard, and no wonder considering the subject matter. Mulu is spooky and fearful - by design. That's art, and it's a damn sight better than anything *we've* done in my apparently not-so-very humble opinion. You're tramping on holy ground here. I beg that you reconsider and recant, or we'll drag you through the streets like the heretic you are. ;-) /\/\iles, High Priest and Chief |-|eretic (Gemini, of course) ******************************************* * * * The streets will flow with the * * blood of the non-believers! * * --Beavis * * * ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:22:55 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: The Wreck of the Fairchild +Andy+ wrote: > Don't worry - I'm quite close now to having shared virtually every > TMDR-related thought I've ever had with you. I'll slip into lurk > mode one of these days! Please don't. I was anticipating your daily update - and glad to see it in my mailbox. TWotF is about the airliner that crashed somewhere in South America with a soccer team onboard. They had to resort to, er, cannibalism to survive. There is a book about it that perhaps you've heard about? The title is "Alive" as I recall. Perhaps someone here knows more about the details. No, I don't mean who ate who, but what team and where were they travelling from and to? Might explain the Spanish bit. Torre means castle in Italian - maybe Spanish too. I'm not surprised about the faux-Morse - thanks for the verification! Carry on. /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:06:21 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: The Wreck of the Fairchild It was the Argentinian Rugby team, if I remember rightly, and there was a film made by the same name! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:04:35 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Alloy: Mulu and the Neon Sisters (was: Least Favorite?) Marvellous - in the words of Mrs Merton - let's have a heated debate!!!!! <> I do believe you're wrong Stephen! While you have perhaps rightly picked on my use of the word 'flaws', which might be interpreted to mean 'mistakes', that's not quite what I meant. It cannot be denied that the two songs in question lack three of the factors that make TMDR stuff so magisterial, the trademarks which identify him immediately to our ears. These are a structure which is coherent and transparent, without being too predictable, and a sophisticated yet strongly directed harmony, and stratospheric production values. Let's start with Mulu - 1. Without my CD here I couldn't do a full analysis, but it's hardly Airhead is it? Thomas is at his best when doing his tightly controlled numbers, and although I also listen to plenty of more freeform rhapsodic music, I just don't feel that this is our leader's strong point. There are bits of bass trailing off into nowhere in particular, and sound effects which seem to have been laden on without so much thought for what's around them (unlike the cajun chatting from ILYG or the tea-slurping from BBB) 2. The harmony is certainly different from standard TMDR. Again without my CD I can't give numbers and analysis, but chords here are certainly less defined, with the impetus such as it is, being determined by almost spasmodic movements of the bass, and too much emphasis being placed on the voice to lead. 3. The production lets it down. Remember, TFE opens with the best synth bass sound known to man, so this song finds itself in elevated company! Of course, I skip this song so often (to reach the perfection of I Scare Myself) that I can't be too specific, but one bit that particularly annoys me is the delay put on the "MULUUUU_UUUUUUU". With the vocal line hovering up and down between tones this just blurs the line and makes it sound out of tune. Neon Sisters 1. OK, so the structures not too far off course, and has a reasonably strong climax which goes nicely with the final lyrics. 2. But the harmonies are significantly less strong. I get the distinct impression that here the idea for the song and the lyrics came before, and were considered more important than the tune, which is understandable given the circumstances. However, this doesn't help us the listeners too much. The chords are blurred and indistinct, not giving any of the usual drive and direction, and not in any major way looking towards cadences. Even towards the end with the repeated phrases building up to the climax I feel he could have done alot more. 3. The production is again below the standards set by the rest of A&H. The drums are particularly poor - very blurred and indistinct. And unlike other Dolby tracks you'd be hard pushed to remember any of the instrumental passages, which are so memorable and marvellous on other tracks. In particular, the guitar solo here is at fault. <> Art indeed - and obviously both these songs were written for special purposes, and must be listened to as such. I think it would be fair to say that every artist has his strong points. Neil Young for example, is rubbish at electronica, as we heard in the 80s, but the undisputed master of acoustic guitar. Thomas likewise is the king of 80s synth, cajun/pop fusion, jazz/funk, latin ballads, epic soundscapes, unique ground-bass lines, and a million other things, but is just a smidgen less strong and the field of freeform emoting. That's hardly a slight - his ability is so fine and so broad that not to have some gaps would be inhuman! And it's all to his credit that he tries everything and has the emotional capacity to express these things in sucha forceful way. It even lends extra credence to the lighter songs around them (the intro to I Scare Myself, for example.) Anyway, that's more than enough from me - what a marvellous list this is - let's have a heated debate! the_copse (Gemini also - of course!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:42:00 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: tattoos; Robin you are too funny In a message dated 3/10/99 2:17:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, darkpoet@darkpoet.com writes: ::Actually it's even stranger that someone like me who feels nervous in public settings anyway would walk around with a sign saying "kick me.":: I've wondered that about myself too, I really HATE to be stared at, and I dislike being in public especially in crowds, yet the tattoos & 'unusual dressing'... I've come to realise it's not about other people but about myself. It's kind of the ultimate way of claiming my body as my own. ====== ::that would be the symbols that somehow were transcribed orally into a book called the Bible by men and later became a secret computer code about the impending apocalypse.:: I'm not sure I've heard this computer reference... all I know is that it was a symbolic language which was meant to help Hebrew scholars understand the scriptures more clearly, and on a different level. I found it in a book of symbols (I have a burgeoning collection of symbols throughout history, stonemason's symbols & cyphers from the Byzantine & Gothic, heiroglyphics, signets, alchemical & religious symbols etc) I loved Gabriel's sign because first of all, he /is/ the guardian of Paradise & the innocent, & the signifigance of this appealed to my own strong sense of protectiveness of those I love. Also I loved the design of it... it reminds me of Medieval music notation (gorgeous, expressive notation, before the standardised staff came to be widely used)... which is also perfect for me, for my interest in music from bygone days. When I get this mythical webpage of mine set up (with Dolby FAQ) I'll be sure to include some tattoo images! At least WE think they're pretty, Debrah :) !! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:01:00 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Jung In a message dated 3/10/99 12:58:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, darkpoet writes: ::Jung just kicked Freud's ass out the door concerning dreams and the importance of what the unconcious can teach us about ourselves in our dreams eh? Freud must have hated being bettered or challenged when he thought he was the master. :: It was Freud who first established dream analysis as a type of therapy, and was the first to put forth that "Dreams are the royal road to the subconscious". Jung began as one of his most avid students. They eventually parted ways when their methods of interpretation became too different, with Freud very inflexible in his examination of dream symbols (with everything relating to either sexual repression/jealousy or, later in Freud's life, death) and Jung saying, human minds don't work that way... each case is individual & the patient's dream sybolism must be seen within the framework of his or her own psychological mythology, as it were. I like Jung's more personal, interactive way of understanding humanity one person at a time... when Freud's method seemed to cram everyone into the same limited categories (even though I feel some of his work is very legitimate, at least as a starting point for Jung's work). Jung also believed it was imperative that the psychoanalyst know and understand him (of her) self and his own frailties & strengths very thoroughly before he should even begin to try to help others with theirs. The biggest mistake, in Jung's mind, would be for the analyst to enforce his own views onto the patient, who of course was an entirely seperate individual & the patient's own unique personal symbolism would be all that should apply. Freud really seemed to think everyone was pretty much the same. Sorry for going on about this so much, but I think it's fascinating! Shutting up now... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:07 EST From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Mulu and the Neon Sisters (was: Least Favorite?) In a message dated 10/03/99 12:26:15 GMT Standard Time, Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk writes: << Let's start with Mulu - 1. Without my CD here I couldn't do a full analysis, but it's hardly Airhead is it? Thomas is at his best when doing his tightly controlled numbers, >> The debate is definitely on.... I must admit that I actually prefer Mulu to Airhead. I love the mystical characteristics of the reverberating piano sound just after the opening Muuluuuuoooouu which repeats itself before the chorus 2 mins 41 seconds into the track. I also admire the way he confidently sings "morning deeeeeeeeuuuueeew". and the chanting in true Rain forest Tribe style of "Talk to me Mulu, ....Panflute......Speak to me Mulu.......Panflute.......Walk with me Mulu........Panflute......Reach for me Mulu.." A few years ago now, just after the release of Retrospectacle, I spoke to Nancy Phillips from Cracks U.K. I asked why one of Thomas's more popular tracks, 'Airhead had been omitted from the album? After all, it was probably his most successful modern day song since Hyperactive..== Nancy actually told me that the only reason that it was left out was that Thomas wasn't so keen on it anymore!!! I would put money on it that Thomas himself prefers the more original track such as Budapest by Blimp and Mulu to the more commercial and poppy Airhead!!! Or maybe......that's because I do?....May the debate continue, Trevor.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:48:05 EST From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! In a message dated 10/03/99 00:36:07 GMT Standard Time, help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk writes: << Well, I'll be Foxtrot, Uniform, Charlie Kilo-ed!! Slarv Papa. Sierra. Apologies for this one-liner, couldn't resist it. >> Slarv, this may be a one-liner but it's the best yet. I work in a telephone banking organisation, obsessed with the Phonetic alphabet...With your kind permission I intend to quote you in my next community meeting? Trev.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:37:13 -0800 From: "Jennie Bolton" Subject: Alloy: Re: Blue Nile [off] Andy and Slarv are Blue Nile fans.... Forgive me, this obviously has little to do with TMDR (except I like to think that he and musicians like these are kindred spirits in a sense....astronauts and heretics)....(forgive me for being so elliptical today!) I love them too. I don't have "Hats" (their second effort), but I do have the third one, "Peace at Last", and their first, "A Walk Across the Rooftops", which is still my favorite. Lovely, sparse arrangements. I heard they are a bunch of Glaswegians who were working as engineers/mathematicians, who were disappointed by a lot of what was coming out in the mid-eighties, and thought they could do better. Duncan Sheik is also a big fan of theirs, and they were obviously a big influence on his first album. A further aside, Robin was talking about our web pages at one point. I obviously run the Pionus parrot page referred to in my sig (check out the species profile for the dusky Pionus, there are some photos of my little Ayacucho), but I also run a popular fan site about actor Kevin Spacey. Fans should check it out, you can find out everything about his work you might want to know. It is at http://users.aol.com/macparrot/kspacey.html Thanks for letting me ramble...I did put and [off] in the subject line, so those who don't want to read off-topic stuff can direct this to the trash. :-) Cheers, Alloys! Jen (:^ P.S. (Eric Cartman voice-over) "I love you guys! You are mega-cool!" ____________________________________________________ Jennie Bolton, Research Chemist Northwest Fisheries Science Center · Vice-Chair, Pionus Breeders Association ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:48:27 -0800 From: "Jennie Bolton" Subject: Alloy: Re: tattoos Robin wrote - >Ouch! My husband wanted me to get a tattoo on my head when I was wearing it in >a mohawk years ago, but I knew it'd be too painful. Not just the pain of the >needle, but your head vibrating minutely for hours... no thank you! My wrist & >shoulder ones didn't hurt, my Achiles tendon one DID hurt a lot, & swelled to >the size of half a grapefruit. But the other two times, I felt that having the >tattoo done was no more painful than a sunburn. Yikes! You are some brave women! I have a cartouche on my left ankle (a reporduction is at the bottom of the index page of my Kevin Spacey web site...see my Blue Nile note about the URL). And indeed, it was no more painful than a sunburn. I'd like to get the right one done with the falcon god Horus, son of Osiris and symbol of the soul. Oh, and eventually, I'd like to get a picture of Koga, one of our African greys, on my arm. She would make a very cool tattoo. Sorry again for being off-topic :-] Cheers, Jen (:^ ____________________________________________________ Jennie Bolton, Research Chemist Northwest Fisheries Science Center · Vice-Chair, Pionus Breeders Association ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:13:21 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: obsessive nitpicking alert! Trev, you can also quote Gordon Liddy, whom I heard on the radio once disdaining something or someone really stupid, for which he gave the following label: "Bravo, Sierra!" - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 TBlagg@aol.com wrote: > Slarv, this may be a one-liner but it's the best yet. I work in a > telephone banking organisation, obsessed with the Phonetic > alphabet...With your kind permission I intend to quote you in my next > community meeting? > > Trev.. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:03:06 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: The Wreck of the Fairchild Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk wrote: > > It was the Argentinian Rugby team, if I remember rightly, and there was a > film made by the same name! ===== Yes I remember that incident too. I saw the movie too and I was very oversome with tears and grief...the movie was so realistic. Debrah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:19:36 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: symbols,cyphercoding... > In a message dated 3/10/99 2:17:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, > darkpoet@darkpoet.com writes: > ::that would be the symbols that somehow were transcribed orally > into a book called the Bible by men and later became a secret computer > code about the impending apocalypse.:: ===== > I'm not sure I've heard this computer reference... all I know is === I was joking...it was a reference to a book called "The Bible Code" by a certain Michael Drosnin. He claimed the Bible has a secret code that was waiting for us humans to invent it so we could read it "properly." You all probably know about the misuse of cyphercoding. I can comprehend it but not fully understand it because I have no left hemisphere in my cerebrum.***HA*** These are the type of "code breakers: that can prove it was actually Shakespeare whom wrote the Bible (or was that the numerologists?) and there is still an active debate going on online and elsewhere (oxfordians vs believers) that it was actually Francis Bacon who wrote Shakespeare's work;it's called the "shake-n-bake" theory. Go figure, I really wonder if Mark Twain were alive today if he would still believe that. ===== > symbols (I have a burgeoning collection of symbols throughout history, > stonemason's symbols & cyphers from the Byzantine & Gothic, heiroglyphics, > signets, alchemical & religious symbols etc) I loved Gabriel's sign because ===== awesome...I love old symbols, too bad Hitler did also, stealing the beautiful svasti-ka and causing an ancient symbol of everything once good, to be banned from the face of the earth forever! Debrah '-) ===== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:58:52 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: TDR Videos,fan clubs Stephen M. Tilson wrote: > > Apart from the video clips from the official dolby web site, I've > > never seen the videos from Astronauts in full,... ====== Neither have I and I was wondering about this too. Don't kill me Stephen, I don't like 3 Dolby songs in total. Hot sauce, neon sisters, mulu that's it...perhaps it is because ALL the rest send chills up my spine, so they pale...to me :( > > Who has? Dolby knows the reason, but to the best of my knowledge he > isn't telling any of us. It's a damn shame he doesn't support a fan > club (like his contemporaries XTC and the Split Enz/Crowded ==== ok who has time for more than one fan club list? I have only the ALLOY and prefab newsletter once in a while... but DAMMIT I had NO idea there was any split enz/Finn bros scene running around. I guess if I had surfed around, but geesh, the older you get the more you realise that there are so many bands you'd love to keep up with, but... there's kids, work (corporate or even more time consuming is your own right?) house mortgages and repairs...I saw Andy or one of you name Tears for Fears too, oh well at least I have all split enz and TFF videos and saw them live twice and got to watch Crowded House's sound check & show cos we were "stock holders" of the nightclub and my hisband(ex as of 1990 but that was a 10 year, 2 kid marriage at least '-). He handled shows there after he stopped being a rock star...blah blah...the one Dolby played at too! I remember my husband saying TDR did not want his name mentioned in the ads/flyers at the time for the show and I have always wondered if it was because Hilary was told "the show" was an "experiment" or if it was because of the Dolby name lawsuit. I have the disease CRS (can't remember shit) and I keep forgetting to ask him how it was really billed? Anyone know if it was "the lost toy people?" I think I got that name wrong too. ====== > Oh, sorry, was I talking in my sleep again? ====== you do that too huh? '-) Debrah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 99 15:45:42 -0800 From: mary@headspace.com (Mary Coller) Subject: Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V4 #78 Hi Alloy list, I can not keep up on this anymore - can you un subscribe me? Thanks, mary@headspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:10:46 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: scary flicks In a message dated 3/10/99 3:02:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, darkpoet@darkpoet.com writes: :: I love the old gothic style suspense horror film called THE HAUNTING with Julie Harris, that was based on the book. My favourite all time scary movie probably...Haunting of hell house with Roddy McDowell and The Changeling are up there too...creepy (can't talk about the shining) KUBRICK 70 is not that old...natural causes huh? Sure...I still watch The Haunting, of gawd the doors breathing in and out...scared the hell out of me as a child. Showing my age;I can't understand today's horror/slasher films... :: I grew up on these great old films too (Saturday afternoon Chiller Theater!) The Changeling is one of the scariest films ever IMO... especially when he drives to the river to throw the ball in, and goes back home, opens the door, and the same ball bounces down the stairs again, only now... it's wet! ::shudder:: Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:29:29 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Alloy: Re: 78 THIS IS AWFUL Mary Coller wrote: > I can not keep up on this anymore - can you un subscribe me? Thanks, > > mary@headspace.com ===== A MUST SEND APOLOGY TO MARY & deep regrets to all**** I was so ignorant I didn't know you had some of "even" headspace getting mail overload. Dammit, as a new person I didn't yet fully understand the danger of wishing to write to all of you at once! I get so interested in all of the conversations daily;TDR and others. I post too often, like 3,4 a day. I realised this today and still I sent too many. The volume has increased on all of the long termers, suddenly, right?...I see all of you as just too interesting but I know I'm part of the problem. I'll read more and speak less...promise, more TDR, less answering every day...Mary, I'll bet most of the new people are still adjusting and need to slow it down...doubt she'll even see this and I'm too ashamed to send her email of course, like she needs another one. All of you, don't need to acknowledge this email of mine, I know you all understand but will be most worried about the traffic too and losing her and others. I am horrified now that this is my 5th post today but I just saw this. Debrah ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #79 **************************