From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #67 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 067 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[2]: Alloy: St Davids' Day [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.ba] Alloy: It's the old in-n-out (URGES) ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Alloy: About the Golden Gate Bridge... ["Stephen M. Tilson" ] Re: Alloy: Alloy Members past [MacSuirtain ] Re[2]: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark] Re[2]: Alloy: Alloy Members past [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpar] RE: Re[2]: Alloy: Alloy Members past ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Re: Alloy:OXFORD HELP! [Debrah LaRue ] Re: Alloy:OXFORD HELP! [ccannady@co.wake.nc.us] Re: Alloy: congratulations in order [Debrah LaRue ] Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members (ps) ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] Re: Alloy: specifying topic in subject line? [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:31:04 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: St Davids' Day - --IMA.Boundary.1673630290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Saint David is the patron Saint of Wales; by having a Welsh Grandfather & my Mother being a Williams I can count myself as being a tiny bit Welsh (especially when France beat England the other day). All I can say to Andy is.... Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwryndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch. A+ John >John, >At the risk of being ignorant, exactly who is Saint David?? >Kate;) - --IMA.Boundary.1673630290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail02-baxter.baxter.com. 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Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.1673630290-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:22 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: It's the old in-n-out (URGES) Elaine wrote: > But the fries, I have to tell you.. the fries completely > underwhelmed me. Mary and I couldn't agree with you more! Their fries, although clearly "real", aren't all that good. Sadly, MickeyDee's fries are still king, and God Only Knows what they're made of . . . /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:36 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Welsh Curses Dear Mr. Hanson, Sometimes you really crack me up, lad. Your comment about getting our hairspray and buggering the ozone layer, and now your "Welsh" curse: > All I can say to Andy is.... > > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwryndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch. Now I have to go wipe my face, clean the tea off my keyboard, and change my shirt! Keep `em comming ;-), /\/\iles P.S. To the Alloyed: sorry for the string of posts - seems I've gotten a bit behind . . . /\/\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:32 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: About the Golden Gate Bridge... The Darkpoet did cry out: > I'd love to go to the golden gate bridge right now... AND JUMP > THE HELL OFF... Poor kid! I feel your pain. And I find it interesting you should mention this, as it finds a very personal resonance in me. I suppose that this is something I shouldn't advertise, but as Slarvi noted, we are among friends. So, I have always promised myself, for more years than my vanity will allow me to reveal, that should I feel the need to end my life I would first get my sorry ass to the Golden Gate Bridge, ostensibly to jump off, but knowing full-well that it is so beautiful there that once again I would find some inspiration to live - and so survive the episode. (Besides, it's such a damn long way down . . .) ;-) Hang in there, but since you're not me maybe you should stay away from the GGB for now. Luck, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:34 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Hello, Melanie! Someone new to us wrote: > I'm Melanie - new to the group after being outbid on ebay :( but > i've recovered from that... for now :) Welcome, Melanie! You didn't win the item (what did you bid on, btw?) but you found the Golden Goose. Like as not that item you're looking for will come around again, but there's only one Alloy . . . ;-) > ooh - and just yesterday bought the new xtc album, by the way :) > very nice spelling song on there - very acurate if you listen to > it - good album - i think :) That would be "Your Dictionary" she's referring to. And I think it was directed at Darkpoet in particular. That *is* a good song and I quite agree about the album in general. I find it quite refreshing in contrast to most everything that was pushed down my throat by the Grammy Awards, and what I see on American MTV. I feel that TMDR is quite in the same league with these chaps, these "Lads from Swindon". Wish it were *his* new album that we're talking about . . . later Melanie wrote: > i actually found the new xtc at record town.....in MIDDLETOWN > OHIO believe it or not!!! now THAT'S hilarious :) > > didn't have the new adrian belew tho... oops - there i go again > :) It does our Dear Mr. Dolby proud to essentially be mentioned in the same breath as these other musical greats. A double-welcome to my fellow Belewophile! /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:27 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: We're engaged! Dennis Announced!: > Sorry I hadn't written sooner but we've been busy since coming > back from California. But it's true, Teresa Adams and I are > engaged! I asked her on the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco > and she said "yes!" last Sunday! WooHoo!!! I think Teresa (sorry about the earlier misspelling, T.) and Dennis are beyond fortunate to have found one another. As subsequent threads have illustrated, most all of us know how nearly impossible it is to find "the one." For me, finding Mary was a miracle. > And afterwards we and my parents were treated to the best > restaurant featuring the finest food we've ever eaten from the > North of India, complements of my Alloy friends Stephen Tilson > and Mary Brown. The pleasure was all ours, and as I said before it was a great honor to be included in this most significant (and busy!) of days in your lives. Thank you. And Teresa, our address and the photos we took will be on their way shortly. And to the Alloyed: No wonder Dennis sounded a little, um, distracted when we were making arrangements for dinner over the telephone. Little did I know he was about t-minus 30 minutes from launching "the question." ;-) He announced the fact of their engagement during dinner to both his parents and Mary and I. I am still a little agog at being included in such an intimate and personal moment. Pleasantly distracted by the memory, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:31 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: More Good News/We're engaged! Slarvi responded to E(lipse responding to Melissa responding to JAMac: > Nice to hear some more good news, as we seemed to be going > through a gloomy patch. Well done E(clipse. > > But let's not forget that some folk may not be having such a good > time, and may be reluctant to let us know about it. I certainly > know of one or two who've been having a rough time in recent > months and I want them to know that Alloy is here for them to > sound off if they feel the need. > > Best wishes to all the Alloyed, where ever you are and whatever > you're doing. > > Slarv Yes, there are some of us that are dealing with very difficult passages right now. For one, recently our own dear Lee Jackson was courageously making light of a medical condition which, although seemingly solved at the time, yet continues to impede him. He is quite the stoic gentleman about it (must've been British in a past life), and is likely uncomfortable that I'm shining a light over here, but I know he is dealing with chronic nausea and pain, and doctors that seem less than certain what they're doing. Please forgive me pointing this out, Lee, but I feel you could use our prayers and good wishes right now. I am reminded by Slarvi's recent run of silver tongued eloquence that, in my heart and mind, we are first and foremost a community, and interdependent as such. Of secondary importance, seemingly, is our love of a certain musician and his work. Ah, Thomas. He whom were it not for . . . So let's stick together, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:27:33 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Alloy Members past Our most Dear Elaine held forth: > But hey, not to be rude or anything but when that happens to a > new member, it's basically their loss, not ours. Ain't it the truth, sister! Very well said. > "I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, > imo. Yes, that was a rather silly and unfortunate statement. > Good riddance! I speak to all of us (this is not directed at Elaine) as I say: this is a point of departure. Andy was clearly a fan (although I am granting him a LOT of lenience for mangling some *very basic* lines from SBMWS, of all things!) and as such perhaps has something to offer us. I am sad that he couldn't find a way to stick around a little longer before making such a rash decision, and I relate to what he's complaining about. It just so happened that along with the recent joy we've had some rather gloomy and decidedly off-topic weather here in Alloyland these past few days. It's no big deal - it happens. At times we've all sheltered here from stormy weather in our lives, and I expect we will continue to do so. I feel this is one of the aspects of our community that keeps it alive. We are diminished by more than numbers whenever one of us leaves. Many of us miss Ian Gifford (who could use a prayer or two himself right now, but that's another story), many more Neil Leacy, and strangely enough even Electrix is missed by some. Strange because he was insulting, rude, and boorish at times, but I for one would've rather seen him elect to shut his yap, stick around, and maybe learn something. He had some goodness to offer us, regardless the rest, or so I want to believe. Anyway, the words aren't exactly rolling off my fingertips so I'll shorten it up. Let's give Mr. Venables a break, if we can find it in our hearts to do so. I've offered to make Andy a tape and so will be writing to him. I intend to invite him back for a second look unless the concensus is otherwise. OK?, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members > would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... So, would an unsubscribed DIV be a DIVX? - -Chuck (waiting to hear the groans from hell!) ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:26:41 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Alloy Members past Stephen M. Tilson wrote: > Anyway, the words aren't exactly rolling off my fingertips so I'll > shorten it up. Let's give Mr. Venables a break, if we can find it in > our hearts to do so. I've offered to make Andy a tape and so will be > writing to him. I intend to invite him back for a second look unless > the concensus is otherwise. Hi, Miles, To be honest, I really don't care whether or not he comes back. I guess I'm tired of people who make snap decisions and choose to dismiss an entire group of people without staying long enough to bother to learn anything about them or from them or offer up much to start new conversations. I wrote to Mr. Venables privately and told him that I felt his comment about "I'm lucky I've better things to do" was unnecessary and rude. I also told him, though, that this was my opinion, and mine alone, and did not represent the views of anyone else on Alloy. If we limited our conversations to Dolby music, we'd have limited conversations. This is not belittling Our Fearless Leader or the depth of his work, but dang it, there hasn't been any new music in several years. Dolby brought this community together, but there are just so many times you can analyze "Europa and the Pirate Twins." Maybe this sounds like heresy. I don't know. But I sure as hell didn't appreciate some newcomer evaluating the group based upon a handful of days and making a comment that suggests we're losers with nothing better to do. Well, that's my 2 cents worth. Sorry to be so terse, but I just figured I'd be direct about it. If he comes back, I don't care, but he's left a bad impression on this person. - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:32:42 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members - --IMA.Boundary.6379730290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... >So, would an unsubscribed DIV be a DIVX? >-Chuck Or indeed a DIV into Amateur dramatics be a DIVA ? Even worse... A+ John - --IMA.Boundary.6379730290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail01-baxter.baxter.com. 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Kemp" Message-Id: <199903021207.EAA00165@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:07:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4094f206.36db2fc5@aol.com> from "RThurF@aol.com" at Mar 1, 99 07:24:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.6379730290-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:46:12 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Alloy Members past - --IMA.Boundary.7100830290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Melissa eloquently wrote.. >If we limited our conversations to Dolby music, we'd have limited >conversations. This is not belittling Our Fearless Leader or the depth >of his work, but dang it, there hasn't been any new music in several >years. Dolby brought this community together, but there are just so >many times you can analyze "Europa and the Pirate Twins." Maybe this >sounds like heresy. I don't know. But I sure as hell didn't appreciate >some newcomer evaluating the group based upon a handful of days and >making a comment that suggests we're losers with nothing better to do. You know, you lot really are a set of jolly decent folk & it makes me feel good to know that I am on this list & have chanced upon you all. Listen to Flat Earth or Submarines or Budapest & then think about everyone else on the list doin' the same thang & life somehow seems bearable... A+ John - --IMA.Boundary.7100830290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail01-baxter.baxter.com. 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Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.7100830290-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:47:57 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Alloy: Alloy Members past I second that thought, John! You couldn't have said it better,... cheers,.. Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 9:46 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Alloy Members past > > > > Melissa eloquently wrote.. > > >If we limited our conversations to Dolby music, we'd have limited > >conversations. This is not belittling Our Fearless Leader or the depth > >of his work, but dang it, there hasn't been any new music in several > >years. Dolby brought this community together, but there are just so > >many times you can analyze "Europa and the Pirate Twins." Maybe this > >sounds like heresy. I don't know. But I sure as hell didn't appreciate > >some newcomer evaluating the group based upon a handful of days and > >making a comment that suggests we're losers with nothing better to do. > > You know, you lot really are a set of jolly decent folk & it makes me > > feel good to know that I am on this list & have chanced upon you all. > > Listen to Flat Earth or Submarines or Budapest & then think about > everyone else on the list doin' the same thang & life somehow seems > bearable... > > A+ > > John << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:55:35 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: Alloy: a mini-fitz Hi All, I've managed to dial into my office mail server for a few minutes in between hospital visits. We had a baby boy yesterday (Ben), everything is pretty much ok but he's in the intensive care unit for a few days (nothing serious we hope but taking precautions). If you could keep Ben in your prayers that would be really appreciated - - he had a rough arrival (for an 8lb 14oz lad !) and needs a little help. Thanks - -Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:03:11 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy:OXFORD HELP! To Chuck et al I've NEVER met a bunch with such a variety of tastes in music. Great Theo...are we ALL musicians here? I'm referring to you quoting from half of the Pet Shop Boys below. Do you like the way they teamed up with New Order's Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr from the Smith's for that first ELECTRONIC CD circa 1990? Well obviously a bunch of Dolby fanatics would be eccentric, eclectic...and by the way...there is a bit of perfexion on alloy I've noticed and I realise it's because this is a bunch of mostly Brits who actually were taught English and spelling in their schools. (run-on sentence'-) Typos we all do in email, but you people are as bad as myself...a bunch of anal-retentive perfexionists. :-o Oh the thing about jumping off the GGB? A scorned woman using a not-so-funny metaphor...but I'm no KID for certain..."Hell hath no fury..." I should PUSH the KID I was dating off it though...Besides I've decided to hang myself from the THINKER at the top of the Gates of Hell at the Rodin sculpture park instead...I'm afraid of water. '-) ACK this is the type of drivel that could keep Andy away...today's only tyrade...but since a lot of you are British I have a question. Why the hell are the British starting to use some of Webster's spelling? If anyone knows how to get a PROPER OXFORD dictionary with older English spelling, please advise. I have been searching for years. The Oxfords I have are hit and miss. The newer versions are the worst, canabalised...They have centre, odour, stuff like that correct but then they turn around and use Z's instead of S's et cetera. I need consistency for my poetry/philosophy work. I may be looking for an antique collection, yes I've tried ebay, impossible to look the "words" up on an auction. I may NOT be able to find what I'm looking for in Amerika at all. (but then I've always known that...) Debrah Charles E. Kemp wrote: > > > would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... > > So, would an unsubscribed DIV be a DIVX? > -Chuck > (waiting to hear the groans from hell!) > > ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** > Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the > world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:17:41 -0500 From: ccannady@co.wake.nc.us Subject: Re: Alloy:OXFORD HELP! Hey Deb, Me & "The Pet Shop Boys" go back a looooooong way. Furthermore, I dig that tune, "Patience of a Saint" from ELECTRONIC. I had to dust the cobwebs off of those memories but you've gotta a good vibe going with that pick... stay cool. Christopher http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Pier/8619/index.html (no one tell Andy that I DIDN'T mention Thomas in this email) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:24:54 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: congratulations in order Peter, you certainly have my prayers. I am the mother of 2 teenagers that are somehow still alive and healthy in this crazy anything-can-go-wrong world. You need only read the newspaper to remember how lucky we are when our families/friends are healthy. CONGRATULATIONS Debrah Here is a short poem I wrote for my daughter the other day after a dream I had, that she was was a grown woman and having a hard time in labour and after she named her daughter "Cassandra." (I promise not to post poems on this forum but this email hit a special place in my heart, with the birth of Peter's Ben) CASSANDRA No journey equates Hell Quite like labour No greater pain exists Than birth No reward is deeper With completion No blessing as brilliant As Her © DLaRue Feb 1999 (yes I know, improper usage of "her" but "she" would not have rhymed with birth; see: poetic license...'-) Peter Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hi All, > > I've managed to dial into my office mail server for a few minutes in between > hospital visits. > > We had a baby boy yesterday (Ben), > everything is pretty much ok but he's in the intensive care unit > for a few days (nothing serious we hope but taking precautions). > > If you could keep Ben in your prayers that would be really appreciated > - he had a rough arrival (for an 8lb 14oz lad !) and needs a little help. > > Thanks > > -Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:07:36 -0800 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members (ps) I am certainly one of the silent observers who enjoy reading all the posts no matter how obscure they might become. When the focus of the group is in semi-retirement we must shift the focus from time to time to other topics. Vale, dorme bene Andy! M. Luckey - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members (ps) > >In a message dated 3/1/99 7:31:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,I wrote: > ><< Of course, a mailing list is what each of its members make of it. It's too >bad > Andy didn't think to actually try contributing something or asking a question > that he thought would direct the conversation toward our beloved topic :) > Instead, Andy takes one look, insults us, and arrogantly declares he is > leaving us for finer things (I've just assisted him in finding the door) > Though I hate to be similarly dismissive myself, Andy did seem to be what I > would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... wanting everything out of > this list without putting a bit of himself into it. We can all thank Andy for > giving me the inspiration to come up with that little label >> > >to which I add: >this DIV thing is just me being dopey. It occured to me that it might be taken >the wrong way out of context. This is in no way intended to dis our respected >Alloy lurkers, who do of course contribute to this list by virtue of their >polite presence. Having members who have been with us for so long yet remain >anonymous really does add an air of mystery and romance as well (essential for >a Dolby list!) > >Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:11:06 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: forwarded message from Andy This message was bounces to me as a non-member submission. Andy seemed so ticked off about the list that I did him the favor of unsubscribing him (as I thought he wished) since he said he was looking for the door. I'm about to write to him & see if he wishes to be re-subscribed, or what he wants. Robin T Andy's transmission follows: << Hi all, before I really DO go.... (I wondered if this would happen) I'm sorry I caused any offence, but it seems no matter how hard you try in life there are always those who want to take it! Let me recap.. I came to the list and introduced myself and sat back to enjoy what I was expecting to be a Thomas Dobly forum. This didn't happen. I felt like I'd stumbled into a private party. Hardly surprising I backed out at the first opportunity, being the shy type I am. In my parting message... well... there was the word "sorry" in there, I took the **** out of myself a little ("geeky"), and I recall throwing in some "best wishes" sentiment too. Hardly a missive from someone wanting to annoy, is it? Maybe I've been spoiled on my other lists... I don't know. I'm glad you've all built up a community spirit and it obviously suits you all. But to actively try and recruit new members to such a "clique-y" list without explaining the situation seems doomed to fail in this way. Yes, I could have just quietly left the list, but I thought you just MIGHT be vaguely interested in how the list appears to a newcomer, and I hoped it might promote sensible discussion about whether any changes in policy might be neccessary. I still think that on a list concerned with one topic, personal comments should be confined to personal mailing lists, rather than "bothering" everyone. Sorry if you disagree. Maybe the list server should allow people to subscribe to "on-topic" messages only? Filter out the unsuitable ones by looking for "Dolby", "Thomas", "TMDR" etc in the content? Just a thought. I'll lurk for a day or so before leaving, if that's ok with you all... May I extend my best wishes to everyone once again, +Andy+ (Sorry MacSuirtain, re: "your comment about "better things to do" was rude." - I was pointing out how I realise I AM LUCKY to have better things to do, this is sufficiently different from the usual way of saying "I've better things to do" (which IS rude, I agree) that I thought it conveyed my outlook on life - that every day is something to be grateful for) (Sorry Debrah, no need to apologize!) (Yes Elaine, it might well be my loss, but I haven't the time to find out) Toodle pip. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:49:59 -0500 (EST) From: Keith Dawe Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Andy Hi, all! As a regular, semi-lurker who posts once every few months (!) I have been here long before Alloy was a list (in fact, I may have been here since the very start of a Dolby List, if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4 years ago). Wow, that's a long time to be a lurker! =) Anyway, I can sometimes relate to Andy's comments, though I don't condone his brash and unwarranted evaluation of this list. To be sure, it can at times appear clique-ish, especially when it's the same few who post (mostly amongst themselves) and at times my rare comments are ignored. However, I have also been blessed with the odd reply to my e-mails which goes to show that this so-called clique is warm and accepting of 'outsiders', especially since we do have a common bond, albeit just one SMALL one in many cases. :-) I'm sorry that Andy had to bail out so quickly, since the traffic isn't so large to be bothersome (if you feel you must hit delete 20 times a day). The shortest time I lasted on a list was ONE DAY, but only after I discovered that my mailbox was figuratively bombed with the average 300 posts per day. None of you would blame me for feeling a little overwhelmed. Being here is not so bad and it can be fun. I can be the voyeur without the shame nor guilt. :) Ja mata ne, - --omega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:40:13 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Bio time? In a message dated 3/1/99 9:42:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, elaine@qnet.com writes: << By the way, speaking of all the new people. Is it Bio time again? Should we set up a web page where everyone's bio can be housed so that new people can read them? Nah, perhaps not. Maybe we should compile a FAQ. Just throwing out ideas, jump right in.. >> In fact I've been thinking a lot about this lately. When I set up my web page I will of course have lots of information about Alloy... I'm thinking of some kind of mini questionairre for our members to fill out so I can compile little biographies of group members, and even links to other Alloy member web pages etc. Funny you should mention it! :) We are moving in only a few weeks & when we get ourselves together in NY, I'll be hitting you all up for info. Think of some things you might want to say about yourselves, and even a picture or two if you desire. We have found the perfect apartment this weekend by the way.. with a beautiful working fireplace, hardwood floors, lots of windows to let light in, & enough room for us to each have a seperate studio in addition to ordinary living space. I won't have to worry anymore about getting random oil paint on my unfinished violin wood or my sewing projects... we even get to have a living room that doesn't need to have any work-related stuff in it. Just a room for sitting. Think of it!! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:57:32 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: a mini-fitz In a message dated 3/2/99 9:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, peterfit@MICROSOFT.com writes: << We had a baby boy yesterday (Ben), everything is pretty much ok but he's in the intensive care unit for a few days (nothing serious we hope but taking precautions). If you could keep Ben in your prayers that would be really appreciated - he had a rough arrival (for an 8lb 14oz lad !) and needs a little help. >> Peter, congratulations on your newest arrival. I'm sorry there are complications and i'm relieved that you say they may not be serious. Rest assured your Ben is in my prayers. I'll say a special one for him. Please let us know all the latest, Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Ben Fitzpatrick Peter, congratulations!!! I didn't even catch that you were expecting. Is this first? Subsequent? Everything going ok? - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:51:11 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: specifying topic in subject line? In a message dated 3/2/99 5:50:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, omega@freenet.toronto.on.ca writes: << As a regular, semi-lurker who posts once every few months (!) I have been here long before Alloy was a list (in fact, I may have been here since the very start of a Dolby List, if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4 years ago). Wow, that's a long time to be a lurker! =) Anyway, I can sometimes relate to Andy's comments, though I don't condone his brash and unwarranted evaluation of this list. To be sure, it can at times appear clique-ish, especially when it's the same few who post (mostly amongst themselves) and at times my rare comments are ignored. However, I have also been blessed with the odd reply to my e-mails which goes to show that this so-called clique is warm and accepting of 'outsiders', especially since we do have a common bond >> The off-topic conversations have sometimes been brought to my attention in the past by various new members who are not sure they're in the right place at first! Of course I reassure them, encourage them to ask questions to the group or just observe for a while. The quirks of the group may very well seem like cliquishness until it's seen how truly friendly everyone is at Alloy. Overall I think the benefits of having a group which can converse about lots of topics as well as that of Dolby's work certainly outweigh any possible drawbacks that might occur from initial confusion. I do encourage any complaints or problems to be brought to me, and I say this to all of our members from Mr Dolby himself to those just joining us. Only one person has expressed unbearable frustration with our casual discussions here since I became owner of the list. Still, for several months now, having been aware of the problem, I've been thinking of ways we could be a little more clear for the sake of our new members, or for infrequent readers. One possible way we can help people sort through their Alloy posts is by specifying in the subject line what the topic is... it would mean renaming it in the subject line (as in: "Alloy: Elaine's Nausea, was: Great News!" and so on) This would have to be a concerted effort though and become habit for each of us. It's been tried in the past a few times, as I recall, but has never really become established amongst all the members. Maybe we should think about doing this to ease up on any confusion? Specifying "OT" (off-topic) or not could be a simpler way of doing it, but not as nicely specific as a subject line alteration. Like omega points out, the volume of this list is not enormous. It wouldn't take more than a few extra seconds to spruce up the titles of the posts when we respond to each other via Alloy; it'd just be a matter of our remembering to do it. What are your opinions on trying this out? Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #67 **************************