From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #66 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Michael Jackson vs. XTC ["Keith Stansell" ] Alloy: St Davids' Day [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.co] RE: Alloy: We're engaged! ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy [Debrah LaRue ] Re: Alloy: St Davids' Day [Kathleen Truelove ] Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members [MacSuirtain ] Alloy: Re: Alloy Members ["Jennie Bolton" ] Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: Re: Thomas' lecture (Robin raises her hand w/a question afterward) ["Jennie Bolton" ] Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members [Kathleen Truelove ] Re: Alloy: xtc again [Debrah LaRue ] Alloy: Telnet mail from India [CRACKERS ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:19:23 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: Michael Jackson vs. XTC All I wanted to do was buy a CD. Sunday was my last day in Las Vegas. The plan was to go to the Virgin Megastore in Caesar's Palace Forum Shops to pick up the new XTC CD for my flight home. When I got to the store in the mall, the gate was closed on the entrance and there was a small crowd gathered outside looking in. I worked my way near the front to find out that I couldn't go into the store because Michael Jackson was inside shopping. I thought, great - I just want to buy one CD, I know what I want, but dog dammit, I can't because some big king of pop is browsing the store. Hell, he could afford to buy his own store, but no he has to be at the store that I want to buy the new XTC album at. The only record store within a mile or so and I didn't have a car. I decided to wait Mr. Jackson out as he purchased 5 bags worth of merchandise at the store, mostly DVD's. He finally did leave the store passing by me about a foot away with his entourage of body guards. Surprisingly he was not as spooky looking in person as I always imagined he would be. I think I got a picture, I'll post it for you to see if it turns out. They then opened the gates to the store (this was after waiting almost an hour for Mr. J. to do his shopping) and I managed to get the XTC album. Great long overdue listening! By the way, the cashier was ringing up the last of Jackson's purchases as I got to the register. The book titles that I made out were "The Making of the Wizard of Oz", "The Films of Betty Gravel" and "The Sex of Architecture". - -Keith (Just beat it - I want to buy a CD) Stansell Denver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:33:54 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: St Davids' Day Following a recent spate of Celtic/Breton related mails, I would just like to wish a happy Saint Davids' day to all Alloy members. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:08:53 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: We're engaged! CONGRATULATIONS! Well done JAMAC! I wish you all the best, love, luck & happiness for your future together! Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: dalexander@juno.com [SMTP:dalexander@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 1999 3:24 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org; eynta@juno.com; Indrahens@aol.com; > kip_boone@hotmail.com; electrix@geocities.com; ocayasso@pepperdine.edu; > erinf@theblackstone.com; rgardun@uswest.com; deannegoodwin@juno.com; > donbethgoodwin@juno.com; Jord289974@aol.com; barbarapowerplayer@juno.com; > thewiseguru@juno.com; rex_gretahaley@hotmail.com; > absoluteadorableadvisor@juno.com > Subject: Alloy: We're engaged! > > > Sorry I hadn't written sooner but we've been busy since coming back from > California. But it's true, Teresa Adams and I are engaged! I asked her > on the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and she said "yes!" last > Sunday! And afterwards we and my parents were treated to the best > restaurant featuring the finest food we've ever eaten from the North of > India, complements of my Alloy friends Stephen Tilson and Mary Brown. I > met these people on the internet a few years ago and when they heard that > we were going to be in their area, they wanted to meet us. I can tell > you that I've never met anyone whose more of a gentleman than Stephen. > He helped to make the evening > ...perfect. > > Teresa is perfect for me! We have the same goals, ideals, etc, and she's > a very warm, fun, loving person. She's everything I'm missing. > > Here's Teresa --- > > Hello to everyone. Yes, I found a great guy and I wouldn't give him up > for anything. Stephen and Mary, you are so awesome you made the evening > complete. Please send me your mailing address because I want to send you > a card. Thanks again for everything. > ___________ > JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) & Cory Styles MacAlister (Teresa Adams) > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their > dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use > from Juno, the world's second largest online service. > Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:11:24 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: RE: Alloy: a brief goodbye DON'T tempt me,...else I'll be on the next flight outta here with laptop, hubby and all! (heh heh!) Yeah,...and guess why we're looking for work on the south of France! Your piteous, pathetic, sleet sodden little bud in Finland,... Lissu :-) (sniff!) > -----Original Message----- > From: CJMark@aol.com [SMTP:CJMark@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 5:31 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: RE: Alloy: a brief goodbye > > > Lissu.. > > To continue.. let me know when you have to warm up.. I live in Miami > Beach > part time.. there's lots of sun here... though.. it isn't Barbados.. > no.. > > Ciao for now. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:25:57 -0000 From: Andy Venables Subject: Alloy: RE: Alloy Well... I get back to work on a dull wet Monday morning and what do I have waiting for me? Thirty or so Alloy messages, and only ONE with anything remotely connected to Mr D. I'm sorry, I wish you all well BUT... I'm lucky I've better things to do. The other lists I subscribe to (different, even more geeky topics) manage to stay on-topic and are worth staying with. I'm sorry about this, I was really hoping I'd found a way of keeping up-to-date about TMDR, but it seems to be more of a social thing. Never mind. You all have a nice life now.... I'm off to figure out how to un-sub. Please feel free to email me direct with anything Thomas-related. Best wishes, +Andy+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:17:36 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy Andy Venables wrote: > > Well... I get back to work on a dull wet Monday morning and what do I have > waiting for me? Thirty or so Alloy messages, and only ONE with anything > remotely connected to Mr D. > > I'm sorry, I wish you all well BUT... I'm lucky I've better things to do. > > The other lists I subscribe to (different, even more geeky topics) manage to > stay on-topic and are worth staying with. > > I'm sorry about this, I was really hoping I'd found a way of keeping > up-to-date about TMDR, but it seems to be more of a social thing. > > Never mind. You all have a nice life now.... > I'm off to figure out how to un-sub. > > Please feel free to email me direct with anything Thomas-related. > > Best wishes, > +Andy+ sorry Andy That was mostly my fault. I am new to the list and was venting. I had no idea that it was only Dolby related. I just thought it was a bunch of like-minded people who loved Dolby and exchanged info about him and themselves too. I came in one night and there were things the next two days about philosophy, XTC, people going on vacations, engagements...I really thought it was pretty informal and that as news came in about Dolby that would be great...I really am sorry. Debrah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:31:11 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: St Davids' Day John, At the risk of being ignorant, exactly who is Saint David?? Kate;) John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com wrote: > Following a recent spate of Celtic/Breton related mails, I would just > like to wish a happy Saint Davids' day to all Alloy members. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:32:02 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: We're engaged! dalexander, Congrats to both of you. Now you get to plan your wedding. Have fun!! Kate;) dalexander@juno.com wrote: > Sorry I hadn't written sooner but we've been busy since coming back from > California. But it's true, Teresa Adams and I are engaged! I asked her > on the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco and she said "yes!" last > Sunday! And afterwards we and my parents were treated to the best > restaurant featuring the finest food we've ever eaten from the North of > India, complements of my Alloy friends Stephen Tilson and Mary Brown. I > met these people on the internet a few years ago and when they heard that > we were going to be in their area, they wanted to meet us. I can tell > you that I've never met anyone whose more of a gentleman than Stephen. > He helped to make the evening > ...perfect. > > Teresa is perfect for me! We have the same goals, ideals, etc, and she's > a very warm, fun, loving person. She's everything I'm missing. > > Here's Teresa --- > > Hello to everyone. Yes, I found a great guy and I wouldn't give him up > for anything. Stephen and Mary, you are so awesome you made the evening > complete. Please send me your mailing address because I want to send you > a card. Thanks again for everything. > ___________ > JAMac (Dennis S. Alexander) & Cory Styles MacAlister (Teresa Adams) > "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their > dreams" - Eleanor Roosevelt > > ________________________________________________________________ > Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use > from Juno, the world's second largest online service. > Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members This IS a forum for Dolby, but it's also a group of friends, and I don't think we make apologies for that. For one thing, Mr. Dolby hasn't released any new music since The Gate in 1994. We certainly talk about TMDR often, and Headspace, and whatever else.. and we exchange ideas that are related, but if we limited ourselves to "Thomas Dolby's Music ONLY" this list wouldn't be nearly as fun. And I for one wouldn't have nearly so many friends. This would be more like a technical report if it were that way. Who needs more tech manuals in life. I enjoy the loose conversation and I hope the other Alloyeds do as well. I also find Andy's giving the list less than a week not really giving it a fair shake. But hey, not to be rude or anything but when that happens to a new member, it's basically their loss, not ours. Wonder if Andy would have been even remotely interested in the fact that TMDR reads and occasionally responds to the list? Shame he didn't bother to find that out. "I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, imo. Good riddance! (Don't feel the need to apologize, Debrah!) Hormones raging from hell! - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Debrah LaRue wrote: > Andy Venables wrote: > > > > Well... I get back to work on a dull wet Monday morning and what do I have > > waiting for me? Thirty or so Alloy messages, and only ONE with anything > > remotely connected to Mr D. > > > > I'm sorry, I wish you all well BUT... I'm lucky I've better things to do. > > > > The other lists I subscribe to (different, even more geeky topics) manage to > > stay on-topic and are worth staying with. > > > > I'm sorry about this, I was really hoping I'd found a way of keeping > > up-to-date about TMDR, but it seems to be more of a social thing. > > > > Never mind. You all have a nice life now.... > > I'm off to figure out how to un-sub. > > > > Please feel free to email me direct with anything Thomas-related. > > sorry Andy > That was mostly my fault. I am new to the list and was venting. I had no > idea that it was only Dolby related. I just thought it was a bunch of > like-minded people who loved Dolby and exchanged info about him and > themselves too. I came in one night and there were things the next two > days about philosophy, XTC, people going on vacations, engagements...I > really thought it was pretty informal and that as news came in about > Dolby that would be great...I really am sorry. > Debrah > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:07:33 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members Go, Elaine! Brava, baby! Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > This IS a forum for Dolby, but it's also a group of friends, and I don't > think we make apologies for that. For one thing, Mr. Dolby hasn't > released any new music since The Gate in 1994. We certainly talk about > TMDR often, and Headspace, and whatever else.. and we exchange ideas that > are related, but if we limited ourselves to "Thomas Dolby's Music ONLY" > this list wouldn't be nearly as fun. And I for one wouldn't have nearly > so many friends. This would be more like a technical report if it were > that way. Who needs more tech manuals in life. > > I enjoy the loose conversation and I hope the other Alloyeds do as well. > I also find Andy's giving the list less than a week not really giving it a > fair shake. But hey, not to be rude or anything but when that happens to > a new member, it's basically their loss, not ours. Wonder if Andy would > have been even remotely interested in the fact that TMDR reads and > occasionally responds to the list? Shame he didn't bother to find that > out. "I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, imo. > Good riddance! > > (Don't feel the need to apologize, Debrah!) > > Hormones raging from hell! > > -- > Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > > On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Debrah LaRue wrote: > > > Andy Venables wrote: > > > > > > Well... I get back to work on a dull wet Monday morning and what do I have > > > waiting for me? Thirty or so Alloy messages, and only ONE with anything > > > remotely connected to Mr D. > > > > > > I'm sorry, I wish you all well BUT... I'm lucky I've better things to do. > > > > > > The other lists I subscribe to (different, even more geeky topics) manage to > > > stay on-topic and are worth staying with. > > > > > > I'm sorry about this, I was really hoping I'd found a way of keeping > > > up-to-date about TMDR, but it seems to be more of a social thing. > > > > > > Never mind. You all have a nice life now.... > > > I'm off to figure out how to un-sub. > > > > > > Please feel free to email me direct with anything Thomas-related. > > > > sorry Andy > > That was mostly my fault. I am new to the list and was venting. I had no > > idea that it was only Dolby related. I just thought it was a bunch of > > like-minded people who loved Dolby and exchanged info about him and > > themselves too. I came in one night and there were things the next two > > days about philosophy, XTC, people going on vacations, engagements...I > > really thought it was pretty informal and that as news came in about > > Dolby that would be great...I really am sorry. > > Debrah > > - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:22:40 -0800 From: "Jennie Bolton" Subject: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members MacSurtain responded to this thread with the following: >Go, Elaine! Brava, baby! To which I have to add that I'm glad I'm not the only one! Certainly, I get behind on postings and sometimes just have to skin through, but I am so totally impressed at the diversity, tolerance, and intelligence of this group, that I would hate for every single post to be strictly TMDR related...face it, we all have a life outside of being fans of his work (which is a healthy thing ;-) ), and I think it's nice that we can share that too. I feel like I really belong to a real community when Robin asks me how my birds are doing (just full of piss and vinegar, by the way; getting into all kinds of trouble. Typical parrot stuff.). :-) I am sure I'm not the only one who feels that this list is, though sometimes rambling, unique in how its members care about each other as real people, not just as disembodied opinions about music. Brava indeed! Cheers, Jen (:^ ___________________________________________________ Jennie Bolton, Research Chemist Northwest Fisheries Science Center · Vice-Chair, Pionus Breeders Association ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:24:37 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members In a message dated 3/1/99 6:17:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, elaine@qnet.com writes: << I enjoy the loose conversation and I hope the other Alloyeds do as well. I also find Andy's giving the list less than a week not really giving it a fair shake. But hey, not to be rude or anything but when that happens to a new member, it's basically their loss, not ours. Wonder if Andy would have been even remotely interested in the fact that TMDR reads and occasionally responds to the list? Shame he didn't bother to find that out. "I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, imo. Good riddance! (Don't feel the need to apologize, Debrah!) >> No Debrah, don't apologise (and in fact I don't think I've had the chance to welcome you to the list til now... so WELCOME!! Good to have you with us) Of course, a mailing list is what each of its members make of it. It's too bad Andy didn't think to actually try contributing something or asking a question that he thought would direct the conversation toward our beloved topic :) Instead, Andy takes one look, insults us, and arrogantly declares he is leaving us for finer things (I've just assisted him in finding the door) Though I hate to be similarly dismissive myself, Andy did seem to be what I would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... wanting everything out of this list without putting a bit of himself into it. We can all thank Andy for giving me the inspiration to come up with that little label As for subject matter that doesn't have to do with Dolby... we'll always look forward to the next bit of news about Thomas or our various discussions of his work as they arise. But the fact that we discuss other things too says volumes about our sense of community here. I really value that sense of community (I know it's all too rare, on the 'net or elsewhere!) I know many others here at Alloy do too. Oh well, Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:40:16 -0800 From: "Jennie Bolton" Subject: Alloy: Re: Thomas' lecture (Robin raises her hand w/a question afterward) Robin wrote, >One thing about some theoretical scientists that I find striking is that they >sometimes tend to cling to their original theory in spite of all evidence >which may potentially disprove it (especially when presented by another >scientist with an opposing viewpoint, as in the 'big bang' vs. 'solid state' >universe) Even if they discover such unfavorable evidence for themselves >though, there seems to be a desire to try denying it to the furthest extent >possible in order to salvage their original claim... until it becomes >scientifically ludicrous to continue doing so & their colleagues start >avoiding them. They cling to their theory in a very 'religious' way... an >attitude which crosses the border between empirical science and spiritual >faith. Maybe scientists who have a more creative approach to their work and >can apply abstract thinking objectively to their science are less likely to >exhibit this really weird tendency I've noticed. Well, one thing to remember is that because of the realities of getting funding to do science, and to some extent the personality types of people who are drawn to science, most scientific endeavors are very competitive. You have to be the first to explain it, publish it, etc., to get funding, attention, etc. So this tends to entrench people in their own viewpoints, even when experimental evidence makes it difficult to back them up. Recall the furor over cold fusion a few years ago, for instance. Part of what drove that whole thing was a "who's dick is bigger" argument (or call it a pissing contest, if you'll excuse my analogies, but really that's it boils down to) between the chemists who claimed to have discovered this process, and physicists, who pointed out that most chemists in general and these chemists in particular probably wouldn't be able to recognize cold fusion if it bit them on the butt. The physicists were correct, of course, but the whole fight was an interesting and amusing example of "upstarts" challenging an established theory and the refusal of some to even keep an open mind (for the simple, rather patronizing reason that someone outside their field couldn't possibly understand it). Unfortunately, I think this is just a human failing, to get defensive when we are challenged, and not unique to scientists, theoretical or otherwise. Cheers, Jen (:^ ____________________________________________________ Jennie Bolton, Research Chemist Northwest Fisheries Science Center · Vice-Chair, Pionus Breeders Association ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:37:16 EST From: Kichug@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: xtc again oops - looks like we've gotten into trouble, Debrah!! psst. if you're wanting to talk to me about anything non-dolby - my address is.... :) just kidding - half kidding - i suppose :) but yes - i actually found the new xtc at record town.....in MIDDLETOWN OHIO believe it or not!!! now THAT'S hilarious :) didn't have the new adrian belew tho... oops - there i go again :) adios m ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:39:03 EST From: Kichug@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson vs. XTC michael who?? :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:02:00 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members At 15:15 01/03/99 -0800, Elaine wrote: > > >This IS a forum for Dolby, but it's also a group of friends, and I don't >think we make apologies for that. >"I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, imo. >Good riddance! > >(Don't feel the need to apologize, Debrah!) > >Hormones raging from hell! > >-- Well, he had a point. If you were a new subscriber at Alloy you might reasonably expect there to be more TMDR related mail, but as you said, there isn't any new material to discuss. I've subscribed to other groups who've had the same problem, and they've usually just died out because there wasn't anything new to say about the artist, AND they wouldn't allow anyone to go more than the odd degree off topic. We must remember that some of us on this list have been hanging out here for a couple of years now and it IS more of a social list these days. If we only get one disgruntled subscriber every now and again, we are lucky. I'm sure there have been others who've lurked and left without saying anything, as I have done on some other lists. His comments may have been lacking in class, but I've seen some far more unpleasant messages posted elsewhere, so maybe we should just sympathise with his disappointment and leave it at that. Slarvibarglhee - and no flames from hell, thanks everyone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:40:29 EST From: Kichug@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy well gee.... all you had to do was say SO!!! :) m ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:43:39 EST From: Kichug@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members HOORAY!! i couldn't have said it better myself... lighten up Andy!!!! m ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:42:08 EST From: Kichug@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: Alloy D - don't worry about it - don't take it personally... he's maybe just jealous that nobody talks to him... tho i could be wrong .... hey - we can talk about what we want, can't we?? as long as we throw in some Thomas Dolby here and there - well hell's bells - get the guy a movin and give us something to talk about for crying out loud, eh?? once again - i'm on a tangeant.... so what else is new.... :) m ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:49:34 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson vs. XTC Correction : I inadvertently used the term king of pop, that should have been "king of pop" or perhaps - self proclaimed "king of pop". Get this - they were showing his videos on the big screen as he shopped the store - decidedly tacky. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Michael Jackson vs. XTC > >michael who?? > >:) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:55:07 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members This all makes me think, what would happen if there was a Dolby release? It hasn't happend since the creation of this list. It could totally disrupt the space-time-alloy continum. Things could implode! Planets collide. Stars explode! I would sure like to find out :) - -Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:04:13 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members I could not agree more. If the only thing we did talk about was Dolby and his life, wouldn't that be kind of, well, weird??? I'm a declared Dolby fan and absolutely love his work, yet I also enjoy finding out about other people and their lives who have the same interest in Dolby's music as I do. Point made, I'll now be quiet. Pax Aye, Kate;) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/99 6:17:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, elaine@qnet.com > writes: > > << I enjoy the loose conversation and I hope the other Alloyeds do as well. > I also find Andy's giving the list less than a week not really giving it a > fair shake. But hey, not to be rude or anything but when that happens to > a new member, it's basically their loss, not ours. Wonder if Andy would > have been even remotely interested in the fact that TMDR reads and > occasionally responds to the list? Shame he didn't bother to find that > out. "I'm lucky I've better things to do" is quite lacking in class, imo. > Good riddance! > (Don't feel the need to apologize, Debrah!) >> > > No Debrah, don't apologise (and in fact I don't think I've had the chance to > welcome you to the list til now... so WELCOME!! Good to have you with us) > > Of course, a mailing list is what each of its members make of it. It's too bad > Andy didn't think to actually try contributing something or asking a question > that he thought would direct the conversation toward our beloved topic :) > Instead, Andy takes one look, insults us, and arrogantly declares he is > leaving us for finer things (I've just assisted him in finding the door) > Though I hate to be similarly dismissive myself, Andy did seem to be what I > would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... wanting everything out of > this list without putting a bit of himself into it. We can all thank Andy for > giving me the inspiration to come up with that little label > > As for subject matter that doesn't have to do with Dolby... we'll always look > forward to the next bit of news about Thomas or our various discussions of his > work as they arise. But the fact that we discuss other things too says volumes > about our sense of community here. I really value that sense of community (I > know it's all too rare, on the 'net or elsewhere!) I know many others here at > Alloy do too. > > Oh well, > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:47:56 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members (ps) In a message dated 3/1/99 7:31:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,I wrote: << Of course, a mailing list is what each of its members make of it. It's too bad Andy didn't think to actually try contributing something or asking a question that he thought would direct the conversation toward our beloved topic :) Instead, Andy takes one look, insults us, and arrogantly declares he is leaving us for finer things (I've just assisted him in finding the door) Though I hate to be similarly dismissive myself, Andy did seem to be what I would dub a Dolby Information Vampire (or DIV!)... wanting everything out of this list without putting a bit of himself into it. We can all thank Andy for giving me the inspiration to come up with that little label >> to which I add: this DIV thing is just me being dopey. It occured to me that it might be taken the wrong way out of context. This is in no way intended to dis our respected Alloy lurkers, who do of course contribute to this list by virtue of their polite presence. Having members who have been with us for so long yet remain anonymous really does add an air of mystery and romance as well (essential for a Dolby list!) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Re: Alloy Members Yes, Slarv is right. Not all things are for all people, I totally agree with that. But you have to admit, throwing insults on the way out the door isn't necessary and makes me wonder what kind of person would do that. All he had to do was quietly unsubscribe.. I'd imagine that's all most people would do in that situation. Or like Robin said, throw out a Dolby topic if that's what he'd like to read about? I dunno. He didn't even try. Pregnancy is great for some things: the excuse of hormones when you wanna get something off your chest! (also a vacation from worrying what your figure looks like.) I wonder how Beth is doing. By the way, speaking of all the new people. Is it Bio time again? Should we set up a web page where everyone's bio can be housed so that new people can read them? Nah, perhaps not. Maybe we should compile a FAQ. Just throwing out ideas, jump right in.. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, I T Admin @ Govt Office North West wrote: > Well, he had a point. If you were a new subscriber at Alloy you might > reasonably expect there to be more TMDR related mail, but as you said, > there isn't any new material to discuss. I've subscribed to other > groups who've had the same problem, and they've usually just died out > because there wasn't anything new to say about the artist, AND they > wouldn't allow anyone to go more than the odd degree off topic. We > must remember that some of us on this list have been hanging out here > for a couple of years now and it IS more of a social list these days. > If we only get one disgruntled subscriber every now and again, we are > lucky. I'm sure there have been others who've lurked and left without > saying anything, as I have done on some other lists. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:29:05 -0700 From: Debrah LaRue Subject: Re: Alloy: xtc again Kichug@aol.com wrote: > > oops - looks like we've gotten into trouble, Debrah!! > psst. if you're wanting to talk to me about anything non-dolby - my address > is.... :) > just kidding - half kidding - i suppose :) > but yes - > i actually found the new xtc at record town.....in MIDDLETOWN OHIO believe it or not!!! now THAT'S hilarious :) > didn't have the new adrian belew tho... oops - there i go again :) > adios > m Oh c'mon we must be ALLOWED to talk about music surely??? wow Adrian Belew!!! It's been a while since I heard his name. What a talent there indeed and what a list of talent he has played with...we could start the list but it would NEVER end with Peter Gabriel, Bowie, Eno, Fripp, hey even with a guy I have met several times. My ex-husband Hilary played with Henry Kaiser III on several CD's and live too as his bassist and his brother on drums, he's kicked around with Belew in the past. I have been involved in music as a drummer in 80's recordings and live...but then the kids came first blah blah...I have had the good fortune of meeting many talented people...osmosis from my ex during the 10 year marriage I suppose. HE got to meet Dolby but dammit I NEVER DID. I hope it is certainly ok to digress into musical informal chats... Thanks for all of your "forgiveness" but I did get a little "too personal." Sometimes we get a bit sensitive after a love breakup. Thanks for welcoming me into your group but I'll try to contribute in a more "postive" way from now on. Winter was depresssing enough for everyone I'm sure '-) I will always enjoy reading about ALL of your views on philosophy, music, science, your projects personal or pro, and HIMSELF; Thomas Dolby Robertson of course...and it is true, it's quite easy to speed read our emails and then delete or file in a "flat earth society" folder. It's damn better than the massive junk spam emails that increase daily it seems. Debrah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:22:17 -0500 (EST) From: CRACKERS Subject: Alloy: Telnet mail from India hey gang, not much time to type. I'm telnetting to my freenet account from a place here in india. the internet connection really sucks so I hope everything is coming out okay. We're all having a great time here. lots of adventure. logan got bit by a monkey and has ttake rabis shots. Otherwise everything is fine. See you all soon when I get back to canada. CRACKERS (Evil monkies from hell!!!!) ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #66 **************************