From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #61 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, February 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) ["Ulfstedt, Lo] RE: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) ["Ulfstedt, Lo] RE: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Re[2]: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@c] RE: Alloy: My first Alloy post [Andy Venables ] RE: Alloy: My first Alloy post ["Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) Hi Kate! You *can* see it where you are, unless it's cloudy! The planets will remain close over the next couple of weeks, so keep your eyes peeled,...they are the two brightest objects in the sky apart from the moon right now! heck,..I cna't think of a dolby connection with this, but I keep hearing the words from Pulp Culture in my head,..("first I ate my galaxy and then I ate my Mars,..."),...damn,...I could do with some chocolate! Bye! Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Truelove [SMTP:Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 7:20 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) > > > Louise, > Wish I was there to see the show in the sky. It sounds 'celestial'!!! Gee, > since > Jupiter is my astrological planet and it's behind Venus, that means that > all > Sagittarians could be experiencing expanding love in their lives. > > Pax Aye, > Kate;) > > Ulfstedt, Louise wrote: > > > Hi Robin! > > > > You're welcome!...and I just had to say that the Galilean moons are my > > binocular's favourite destination,..I just love that feeling you get > when > > you're watching something that isn't revolving around us, you can really > > imagine the thrill that Galileo must have had when he made that first > > telescope and figured out that not everything revolved around the > > earth,.....so magic! > > > > My favourite astronomical night came about 2 yrs ago on a very dark road > > between Turku (where I live) and Helsinki. It was an incredibly clear, > cold > > night, the northern lights were shifting in the distance, and the tail > of > > the comet Hyukatake was stretched out right across literally half of the > > sky,...what a sight! > > > > In my opinion, the worst thing about living in towns is that people > forget > > to look at all the fantastic scenery overhead.... > > > > Happy Stargazing! > > > > Lissu :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: RThurF@aol.com [SMTP:RThurF@aol.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 2:24 PM > > > To: alloy@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, > snow..) > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/24/99 2:58:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > louise.ulfstedt@teleste.fi writes: > > > > > > << Well, anyway, I'll come to my point,...being a keen amateur > astronomer, > > > I > > > was looking forward to one celestial event tonight, but seeing that > it's > > > still snowing with no sign of letting up, I probably won't see > this,..but > > > still, maybe some of you guys would like to check the following NASA > > > link,..as there'll be a very pretty planetary conjunction tonight! > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up on this. Dave and I are avid amateur > astronomers > > > too > > > :) I remember hearing about this event way earlier on but haven't been > > > keeping > > > up with my information, so I truly appreciate the reminder! > > > > > > I'll try to see it tonight... but if I can't manage it here in > Boston... > > > it > > > does say on NASA's site that it will remain a fairly close conjunction > for > > > weeks to come, so you and I will still have lots of chances to see it > > > (despite > > > your snow!) What luck that Dave and I are going out of town to lovely, > > > vast > > > upstate NY this weekend to make more arrangements for our move. The > town > > > where > > > Dave grew up - which we'll be in the vicinity of - is SO lacking in > light > > > pollution (and traffic) that on a visit last September we spent a > couple > > > of > > > hours lying in the road next to his old house, in the complete > blackness > > > of > > > the night, looking at the moons of Jupiter. We had our binoculars but > the > > > night was so perfectly dark, we could even make them out with the > naked > > > eye. > > > It was so amazing!! Having the moons visible really made it seem like > > > another > > > world we were looking on... not just the usual bright dot in the sky. > > > > > > clear skies :) to all stargazers trying to see the conjunction! > > > > > > Robin T > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:26:54 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) Let's make it a date, Robin!,...Where shall we meet??!! LOL! Lissu :-) (who REALLY DOES intend to be around when that happens!!) > -----Original Message----- > From: RThurF@aol.com [SMTP:RThurF@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 1:55 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) > > > In a message dated 2/24/99 8:24:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > louise.ulfstedt@teleste.fi writes: > > << My favourite astronomical night came about 2 yrs ago on a very dark > road > between Turku (where I live) and Helsinki. It was an incredibly clear, > cold > night, the northern lights were shifting in the distance, and the tail of > the comet Hyukatake was stretched out right across literally half of the > sky,...what a sight! >> > > sounds *so* beautiful... I wish we'd been able to get a better view of > Hyakutake but conditions were far from perfect in Boston. If we walked way > up > to the highest point of the city on a clear night, we could see the tail > of > it, and the lovely turquoise color. > > I wish we could have seen it stretched out across half the sky like you > describe, Lissu!! To see a really gigantic comet like that has actually > been > one of my most sought-after dreams since I first laid eyes on an image of > one > at a planetarium show as a child. I'd never been so impressed with > anything in > all my life. To even know such a wildly, gorgeously surreal and powerful > thing > could exist in the world I inhabited just blew my mind. I have been > collecting > old woodcut images of historical comet visitations ever since; among my > favorites, one unnamed comet over the French contryside a couple of > centuries > ago that is carefully depicted having ~seven~ tails. Of course, I have > also > made a date with myself to stick around for Halley's next passing (I'll be > somewhere in my early 90's) Its next visitation is supposed to be the most > spectacular yet, so I can't very well miss it. Anyone else want to meet me > for > this event, somewhere in the world? > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:28:31 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... You lucky devil, Slarv! I always wanted to visit Jodrell whenever I passed it as a kid. maybe someday,...either that, or the one in Aricebo,...(sigh) Starry-eyed Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: I T Admin @ Govt Office North West [SMTP:help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 2:27 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... > > > At 09:50 24/02/99 +0200, Lissu wrote: > > > >Well, anyway, I'll come to my point,...being a keen amateur astronomer, I > >was looking forward to one celestial event tonight, but seeing that it's > >still snowing with no sign of letting up, I probably won't see this,..but > >still, maybe some of you guys would like to check the following NASA > >link,..as there'll be a very pretty planetary conjunction tonight! > > > > Strange that you should mention this, really, as I have just started an > astronomy course at Fielden Park College, and we were up on the roof on > Monday night, looking at Venus and Jupiter, low on the horizon. > > I've had a passing interest in astronomy for some time, but never really > did > much about it before . But a few weeks ago I saw an ad in the local press > about a 10 week evening course at the college. It was only £20, so I > thought I'd give it a go. Our tutor is a real enthusiast and seems to > enjoy > imparting his knowledge. > > Next Tuesday we're all off to Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope for a lecture > on > the new Liverpool University Telescope in Tenerife, which will allow > schools, colleges and astronomy clubs to use it remotely. Should be > intertesting. > > Cloudy tonight, I'm afraid. Very little to see apart from half a moon. > > TTFN > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:36:28 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Another new member! Hey welcome all you newbies, or as we say up here in Finland, TERVETULOA! Now we want to hear how you all ended up Dolby fans in the first place (that's our initiation ceromony on here!!) LOL! What a great idea Stephen, most devoted of dolbyites! I'm sure the new members appreciate the connection you've given them, plus it swells our numbers still further,...thanks for your efforts! Cheers! Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen M. Tilson [SMTP:Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:55 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Another new member! > > > I would like to welcome Greg Benson to the list! Greg is the person > who emailed some of us recently with an announcement of Dolby items > for sale on eBay, and this is where I got the impetus to collect the > addresses of eBay Dolby collectors and invite them to join our > community. > > Thank you thank you thank you, Greg!!! > > Make youself at home, > /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:39:40 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: planetary conjunction Lissu wrote: > The planets will remain close over the next couple of weeks, so > keep your eyes peeled,...they are the two brightest objects in > the sky apart from the moon right now! > > heck,..I can't think of a dolby connection with this . . . Oh, can't you? Well, I'm thinking of a certain Jovian satellite . . . Three syllables . . . Rhymes with "You dope-a" . . . /\/\ost devoted of Dolbyites (at times), /\/\iles P.S. Thanks for that compliment, Lissu ;-) I try (at times). As I indicated earlier, it was just a further iteration of new member Greg Benson's idea to target-market his Dolby collection on eBay (and a little elbow-grease). P.P.S. Greg, *HOW* could you sell off your precious rarities like that?!? And, btw, thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:39:38 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: It's the old in-n-out (URGES) David Shuman wrote: > Well, tonight the deer can look down on me munching on an In-N-Out > burger on Sunset. How very California! (Hmmm, Our local In-N-Out is open till 1AM. Oh, sorry!) Hey, did you know about the little messages In-N-Out puts on the bottom of their cups? Just discovered them recently myself. For those not in the know here: In-N-Out *Burgers* is a quintessentially Left-Coast eatery that specializes in high quality low cost fast food. They serve a double meat double cheese burger for $2.50 USD that will shame *any* burger sold by MickeyDee's, Burger King, Wendy's and the like, AND they serve *real* milkshakes, and french fries made from *real* potatoes. For many years they offered a bumper sticker that read (strangely enough), "IN-N-OUT BURGERS". The problem was people could (and did) easily remove the "B" and the "RS" from the bumper sticker and yet retain the general look of the graphics and hence the issuing company's identity. Folks that are inclined to put those kinds of little messages on the bottom of their paper cups probably didn't like that very much . . . . I'll leave it a mystery for now. Maybe Dave will tell us what his cup says after he finishes his shake. Like a humble hamburger, /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:50:43 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: TMDR related dolls There also used to be a girl called Caroline 452 on the FES, although I don't know if she's still knocking about in here as well.... the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:12:48 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: planetary conjunction To Stephen the smart-arse,... Ackkkk! (WHACK!) Owwwww (WHACK!), Oooch! (WHACK!) Just kicking myself,... Why am I being so stoooooopid today! Arghhhh! signed,... The shamed & brainless one,...(sniff!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen M. Tilson [SMTP:Stephen_Tilson@compuserve.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:40 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: planetary conjunction > > > Lissu wrote: > > > > > The planets will remain close over the next couple of weeks, so > > keep your eyes peeled,...they are the two brightest objects in > > the sky apart from the moon right now! > > > > heck,..I can't think of a dolby connection with this . . . > > Oh, can't you? > > Well, I'm thinking of a certain Jovian satellite . . . > > Three syllables . . . > > Rhymes with "You dope-a" . . . > > > > /\/\ost devoted of Dolbyites (at times), > /\/\iles > > P.S. Thanks for that compliment, Lissu ;-) I try (at times). As > I indicated earlier, it was just a further iteration of new > member Greg Benson's idea to target-market his Dolby > collection on eBay (and a little elbow-grease). > > P.P.S. Greg, *HOW* could you sell off your precious rarities like > that?!? And, btw, thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:19:06 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: Alloy: arff! I take it back,...the hamsters we'ren't the stupidest thing in the net,...this page is! Warning,...may be offensive to some, as well as destroying your childhood dreams,.... http://www.wizard.net/~eei/home2.htm Especially good is the "Lassie connection" Sides still aching,... Lissu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:54:18 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... - --IMA.Boundary.1468399190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Slarv wrote: >Next Tuesday we're all off to Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope for a lecture on >the new Liverpool University Telescope in Tenerife, which will allow >schools, colleges and astronomy clubs to use it remotely. Should be >intertesting. If you want to see some real Jodrell Bankers go to the City Ground, home of Nottingham Forest FC. A+J - --IMA.Boundary.1468399190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail02-baxter.baxter.com. 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X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id TAA24179 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail02-baxter.baxter.com. id SAA00626 - --IMA.Boundary.1468399190-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:19:31 -0000 From: Andy Venables Subject: RE: Alloy: My first Alloy post Hi all, OK, I'd better introduce myself further. I'm Andy, I'm about to hit 32 (a big round number in binary... doh! sad again), I live in Europe, (well very nearly, but that's a technicality) on a little island (12 miles by 5) called Jersey (i.e. OLD, orginal Jersey) just 15 miles from France, and about 100 miles south of England. I first heard TD on MW/AM BBC radio 1 back in the early 1980's - they played Windpower and it sounded AMAZING over the limited audio quality of the radio. The depth and impact of "windpower" itself was superb. I didn't hear much more until I saw the video of She Binded Me... on BBC1 TV's saturday morning childrens show "Swap shop". I was mightily impressed, but still didn't buy anything. The first record I saw in the shops was the vinyl album "Flat Earth" but being 14/15ish and impoverished I didn't dare buy it without much clue of what it would be like. Oh.... *groan* all those lost years! A few years later a friend of mine Neil introduced me to the "Golden Age of Wireless" and I was hooked. Yes, I copied it onto tape... but in my defence I have since bought every CD album new - proof of my own argument against the old "piracy kills music" chestnut. Another friend Lizzy a year or two later had the same album and was also impressed with it. Proof to me that this was indeed good stuff. It all sort of snowballed from there, really. At 20-ish I was lucky enough to join Radio Force 7 ( http://www.finalysys.com/users/radio/force7.htm ) and was able to play plenty of Mr Dolby's finest works to an unsuspecting French and Channel Island audience... those times have passed but I still play TMDR on a smaller scale now on hospital radio... http://www.finalysys.com/users/radio/lions.htm So there you have it. A piccy of me and some totally unimportant details can be found on an incredibly sad home page (which I swore I'd never do, but it became useful on mIRC to introduce myself to people) - ask for the URL if you really want. That's about all then.... now I have a question about a recent posting... > So I bought another. But that had the crummy no-intro version of "She Blinded Me..." on it, so I sold it What?!! Awww, I knew by joining this list I'd find out just how much I don't know! All my copies of that track start without much of an intro, except the 12" single which features Magnus Pike saying "As an American scientist, I'd be a bit surprised..." etc. Is that what you mean? I feel cheated if there's a version of Golden Age with that on! Do tell... :-) "Andy J" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:48:32 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: My first Alloy post Welcome Andy! SwapShop,...that took me back. Noel Edmonds eight-year-long bad hair day. Yak. Bye 4 now! Lissu :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Venables [SMTP:andyv@FINALYSYS.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 12:20 PM > To: 'alloy@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: Alloy: My first Alloy post > > > Hi all, > > OK, I'd better introduce myself further. I'm Andy, I'm about to hit 32 (a > big round number in binary... doh! sad again), I live in Europe, (well > very > nearly, but that's a technicality) on a little island (12 miles by 5) > called Jersey (i.e. OLD, orginal Jersey) just 15 miles from France, and > about 100 miles south of England. > > I first heard TD on MW/AM BBC radio 1 back in the early 1980's - they > played > Windpower and it sounded AMAZING over the limited audio quality of the > radio. The depth and impact of "windpower" itself was superb. > > I didn't hear much more until I saw the video of She Binded Me... on BBC1 > TV's saturday morning childrens show "Swap shop". I was mightily > impressed, > but still didn't buy anything. The first record I saw in the shops was the > vinyl album "Flat Earth" but being 14/15ish and impoverished I didn't dare > buy it without much clue of what it would be like. Oh.... *groan* all > those > lost years! > > A few years later a friend of mine Neil introduced me to the "Golden Age > of > Wireless" and I was hooked. Yes, I copied it onto tape... but in my > defence > I have since bought every CD album new - proof of my own argument against > the old "piracy kills music" chestnut. > > Another friend Lizzy a year or two later had the same album and was also > impressed with it. Proof to me that this was indeed good stuff. > > It all sort of snowballed from there, really. At 20-ish I was lucky enough > to join Radio Force 7 > ( http://www.finalysys.com/users/radio/force7.htm ) and was able to play > plenty of Mr Dolby's finest works to an unsuspecting French and Channel > Island audience... those times have passed but I still play TMDR on a > smaller scale now on hospital radio... > http://www.finalysys.com/users/radio/lions.htm > > So there you have it. A piccy of me and some totally unimportant details > can > be found on an incredibly sad home page (which I swore I'd never do, but > it > became useful on mIRC to introduce myself to people) - ask for the URL if > you really want. > > That's about all then.... now I have a question about a recent posting... > > > > So I bought another. But that had the crummy no-intro > version of "She Blinded Me..." on it, so I sold it > > What?!! Awww, I knew by joining this list I'd find out just how much I > don't > know! > All my copies of that track start without much of an intro, except the 12" > single which > features Magnus Pike saying "As an American scientist, I'd be a bit > surprised..." etc. > Is that what you mean? I feel cheated if there's a version of Golden Age > with that on! > > Do tell... :-) > > "Andy J" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:13:46 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: planetary conjunction (was: snow, snow, snow..) In a message dated 2/25/99 3:33:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, louise.ulfstedt@teleste.fi writes: << Let's make it a date, Robin!,...Where shall we meet??!! LOL! Lissu :-) (who REALLY DOES intend to be around when that happens!!) >> Let's see where it's supposed to make the best showing, and we'll take a luxury cruise there. We'll have earned it! If we tell our story of having waited it out all those years just to see this comet again maybe they'll even give us complementary passage. Hey, if lots of other Alloy people want to do this maybe we can all book a whole ship together... with all of our kids... grandkids... great-grandkids... Looking forward to it! :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:42:40 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: Alloy: a UK favour for xtc fans ? Hi all, well, my liking for XTC is well documented (http://www.shabbyroad.com) [pathetic isn't it ?] The links between Thomas and Andy Partridge are known to us all. What is probably not known to some of you is the fact that XTC have a new album out (on Cooking Vinyl) called APPLE VENUS VOLUME 1 It released this week and the great news is that they are number 31 in the mid-week charts. A cry has gone out from the good people at Cooking Vinyl : if you're planning to buy this album : BUY IT NOW ! Hopefully by the end of the week they'll have hit Top 30. What could be nicer ? If you buy one, try to buy it from a Chart Return shop.... Next time TDMR releases something (soon ? Please ???) I'll return the favour by posting to the 1500+ XTC mailing list. :-) Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:11:22 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Thomas' lecture (Robin raises her hand w/a question afterward) After all this time I finally got to hear Thomas' Headspace lecture @: http://vip.hotwired.com/synapse/nmm/97/41/dolby0a.html or at least most of it - I think I have about 20 minutes to go. I think EVERYONE should listen to this lecture!! especially if they have or anything to do with the performing or visual arts, or with educating children. Many sincere thanks to Thomas for voicing the issue of the place of the artist in society throughout history & of the truly indivisible worlds of art & technology... each is absolutely vital to the survival & fruition of the other (a belief I've always held, though as a kid it wasn't enough to convince my mother to let me turn my bedroom closet into a science lab!) It's rare to hear established artists actually making a point of discussing this with the public. One thing I've always wondered... when did the formal schism between the two worlds begin? Is it known, and what precipitated it? Previous versions of cultures around the world seemed to draw off their science and art in equal measure without differentiating overly much between the two. Only in later cultures did the division seem to suddenly begin (thus I think leading to the pursuit of 'alchemy' as a formalised, ritualistic effort to reunite science, art and spirit, all - in Jungian terms - necessary components of the whole of the human mind, yet artificially divided by society) Anyway, I thought the program which turned wind velocities into varying intensities of music so the Headspace crew would know when to go out & windsurf was a stroke of pure genius! The rest of the lecture (where Thomas is demonstrating how Beatnik works) was like magic to me even though the technical things were explained... most of which *sorrrta* flew over my head, but there was the occasional glimmer of understanding on my part. When he played five different parts that sounded unrelated, and then overlayed them for a final playthrough & it came together seamlessly, I was amazed! Leading me to inadvertently exclaim "oh my God, you're insane!" *(meant in the most complementary & joyful way, of course) Robin T still hoping for video of one of the lectures one day, so I can see all the props :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:40:22 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Re[2]: Alloy: snow, snow and even more snow,.... I wasn't going to make that joke, but I'm glad someone has! the_copse Slarv wrote: >Next Tuesday we're all off to Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope for a lecture on >the new Liverpool University Telescope in Tenerife, which will allow >schools, colleges and astronomy clubs to use it remotely. Should be >intertesting. If you want to see some real Jodrell Bankers go to the City Ground, home of Nottingham Forest FC. A+J Received: from mail02-baxter.baxter.com. 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X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by smoe.org id TAA24179 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail02-baxter.baxter.com. id SAA00626 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:23:00 -0500 From: "Stephen M. Tilson" Subject: Alloy: Thomas' lecture (Robin raises her hand w/a question afterward So, what's your question? /\/\iles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:21:49 EST From: W26@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Need a VHS copy of "Live Wireless" I'm a new member, and I'm sorry to butt in with something so unenlightened, but perhaps you'll understand my desperation. I need (NEED) a VHS copy of "Live Wireless." I've been looking literally all over the world for the past 5 years to no avail. Can anyone help me? Please feel free to e-mail me directly so as not to further clog the list with my plaintive wailings. Thank you all for your kind indulgence. - -Chris B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:54:12 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Need a VHS copy of "Live Wireless" Hi, Chris! Your plaintive wailings are no problem here - and it's nice to see new folks with Dolby-related questions that the old timers can readily answer! VHS copies of Live Wireless have been popping up on eBay with alarming regularity over the past couple of months. I don't know where in the world you are, but North American NTSC copies seem to be the item of choice in recent eBay auctions. (That's where I got my copy a bit over a month ago.) Cheers, Melissa W26@aol.com wrote: > > I'm a new member, and I'm sorry to butt in with something so unenlightened, > but perhaps you'll understand my desperation. I need (NEED) a VHS copy of > "Live Wireless." I've been looking literally all over the world for the past 5 > years to no avail. Can anyone help me? Please feel free to e-mail me directly > so as not to further clog the list with my plaintive wailings. Thank you all > for your kind indulgence. > > -Chris B. - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:33:50 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: My first Alloy post David, Well, welcome to L.A. I live and work in North Hollywood. As far as I'm concerned I've come to like it here. Life here can be very hard and cruel. I've seen it all. I grew up in the southland and have seen many good things and many bad things around here. Guess the best thing I like about life here is that you can pretty much be whoever you want to be. Pax Aye, Kate;) David Shuman wrote: > Hello all. > > I'm one of Stephen Tilson's new recruits from eBay. I never knew there > were so many Dolby fanatics out there. > > How did I get into Dolby? "She Blinded Me With Science" was one of the > first songs I ever really liked--I was 10? 11?--and Golden Age was one > of the first tapes I ever bought. Over the next couple years I > literally wore the tape out listening to it. > > I eventually replaced the tape with a CD. After a couple years, the CD > got stolen. So I bought another. But that had the crummy no-intro > version of "She Blinded Me..." on it, so I sold it to a used CD shop. > (Funny, they gave me $5 for it, a price they reserve for the stuff they > really, really want.) Then I got another Wireless CD, this time getting > lucky with the right mix of "She Blinded Me" on it. Then that got > stolen too. So yes, I have bought "Golden Age of Wireless" FOUR times, > and since I presently have no copy of it, I am bound to buy it again. > > I got back into TD a few years ago when "I Love You Goodbye" was on the > radio and I bought "Retrospectacle." What a great album--I couldn't > believe how much Dolby stuff I'd missed since "The Flat Earth." > > I just moved to Los Angeles a few months ago, and I'm always thinking of > the lyrics to "Screen Kiss": > > "Miller time at the bar where all the English meet / > She used to drink in the Hills--only now she drinks in the Valley..." > > L.A. is pretty surreal and can be weirdly lonely. "Screen Kiss" > captures the irony of this city perfectly. "With a thousand miles of > real estate to choose from / You begin to see the value of your > freedom"--that's L.A., all right, it seems no matter where you drive, > you're always still in L.A., trapped in a sunny paradise where you > constantly wonder why you're not more happy. > > "The moon is bright in the haze above old Hollywood / > And deer look down from the hills--and it's 3 o'clock in the morning" > > Well, tonight the deer can look down on me munching on an In-N-Out > burger on Sunset. > -- > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:08:41 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: The last 20 minutes.. i finished listening to the last 20 minutes of Thomas' Headspace lecture... and I was upset to hear that in schools in his area, music is not offered to the students as part of their regular curriculum! Is this the case all across California, and if so, does it have to do with budgeting restrictions ~ perhaps ~ because of the State University tuition being free to California state residents? are they short-changing local grade school kids in order to attract people to their universities? It really makes me realise how lucky I was to grow up within my school district. There was a regular music class once a week for all kids, as well as more intensified music training offered as an elective to students from 5th grade on, and organized drama, chorus, band, and orchestra groups (offered as extracurricular activities) Starting in 7th grade, we had many music related 'for credit' electives to choose from including MIDI keyboard, rock'n'roll history, and recording technology... in addition to drama, chorus, marching band, orchestra, and jazz band, all of which continued through high school (our jazz band could really kick ass too, something to be proud of!). The fine arts program at my high school was equal to a college-level curriculum. Our teachers were all professionals who worked within their fields, and offered such courses as Drawing, Painting, Sculpture, Fibers, various levels of Photography, and even Computer Animation/Graphics. The instructors had to fight the administration to gain access to the newly-installed computer pod when they first introduced this class. Admin thought it a waste of valuable science/math time to teach students about art on computers... however at the end of the year show, when they could see what could be done with computers, they were extremely surprised & began encouraging the art students to continue... And yes, this was just the local public school district I happened to be living within, it wasn't sought out specifically. I've been considering myself very fortunate when I hear of other people's public school experiences, where (at my husband's grade school for instance) the 'art instructor' was really just the substitute football coach looking for more of a paycheck, and who didn't know a damn thing about art... there were never any supplies & the equipment was outdated/in disrepair, etc. And in music education... in my job right now I work closely with many different school districts' music programs across the country, and the teachers are trying their best to keep the programs afloat, though half the time the funding doesn't go through & the kids don't get to resume their studies. There's one program which has budgeted itself so that it has a music program every other year.. in between, the kids have to languish. I feel so awful that music isn't offered in so many schools. I don't know what I would have done without the stimulation of my art & music classes at school while I was growing up. The best thing in the world is seeing these little kids come into the shop where I work... they're starting their music classes at school, and we carefully fit them out for a cello or violin appropriate to their size. They get to try out different instruments to see which one they like best. You can see in their eyes, when you hand them an instrument which is going to be theirs to play, they feel so elated! It's very precious & it's an experience which makes kids feel important, and gives them goals (the excitement of getting ready for a concert!) not to mention the documented benefis of better reasoning power, increased patience, and self confidence that learning to play music gives to a child. In Thomas' case I imagine the lack of music classes is made up for with encouragement at home, and access to instruments at hand... even so it's really been on my mind ever since I heard him mention it at the end of his lecture. If your little ones are ever interested in trying cellos, violins, or violas one day, Thomas, simply ask & I'll fix you up - I'm serious! Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #61 **************************